I was rereading the first few pages of the thread...someone called Pantera metalcore
as much as I hate to admit it, they influenced alot of metalcore and nu metal.
(although machine head sounded more closley related to these bands)
I know you hate Pantera and I can see why alot of people do, but I'll still always like them.
also, I am a firm believer in music genres. Should be just common sense, but theres alot of people now who just ignore genres altogether and call people fags for even acknowledging genres/sub genres. Especially in metal. They are all like," STFU its just metal" I mean I know the roots are the same, but sorry I just cant accept that Motley Cru and Suffocation are the same thing, or Disturbed and Napalm Death are the same. Thats why genres were made.