Nerfing The Super Characters

Kl should be slower, like Shang tsung. I think this might help make him more balanced. Also his spin should be punishable on block.
 
Flagg said:
Wow OP, just wow. I'm no KL fan but you're basically asking to nerf him into shitcity. Cyrax DEFINITELY needs addressing. Characters like Sindel get one reset only, it takes NO SKILL to throw out bomb, uppercut, bomb, uppercut, etc.. And it needs addressing. As for Raiden, he needs something done to his teleport. Kano, NW and Reptile are all fine and don't need touching at all.
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Uh, no, I'm simply asking for Kung Lao to actually have a weakness of some kind.
 
Darklink95 said:
Kl should be slower, like Shang tsung. I think this might help make him more balanced. Also his spin should be punishable on block.
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The spin is punishable on Block for like a sec KL trys to catch him self and that alot of time to get a Combo in..
 
Raiden Is Fine, He's Top Tier And Will Always Be Annoying, He's Nothing Without The Teleport And Fly, It's What Makes Him An Elder God. 2 Resets Is Enough For Around 40 Damage With Cyrax. One Bar For Cyrax Can Do 53% Damage Easy, Meanwhile I Do Mileena's 29 Hit 3 Bar Combo For Only 50% Damage? Mileena Has Never Been A True Heavy Damage Hitting Character, But Cyrax Just Does Too Much Damage For Too Little Special Bar. A Kung Lao Can Do The Same As Cyrax But In A Different Manner, Spin,Jump Kick,Dive Kick, Low Roll Kick = 31%[Needs Testing]? Meanwhile 2,1,2,1,Spin,Uppercut Does How Much? Kung Lao Can Also Do A Lot Of Damage After That Spin. Meanwhile Liu Kang Needs To Do B+3,1,2 Four Times For A 12 Hit 33% Damage Combo? Like I Said Before, Kung Lao Has Alot Of BnB's And Mix-Ups, He's Also A Very Easy Spamming Character Like Kano, And Sindel Likewise Noob. But Others Like Mileena's Sai Blast Only Does Around 5-6% Damage Meanwhile Kung Lao's Hat Does More. They Do Need To Fix Kung Lao's Grab Combo Where You Have The Choice Of Pressing 2 For A Shaolin Punch Or Something Like That, Or Where You Press 1 For A Overhand Throw. That Combo Can Be Done Meanwhile Someone Is Falling In Mid-Air And The Grab Combo Goes Into Effect, Now Kung Lao Is One Of The Only People That Actually Have A Combo That Gives You The Option For 2 Different Attacks, But It's No Different Than Sektor's Toe Stance, Or Liu Kang's Or Sonya's Stances, Likewise Freddy. It Is A Bit Unfair That Jax Or Any Other Character Does Not Have That Same Ability That Kung Lao Has That You May Do A Combo And Grab While Someone Is Falling Mid-Air. But That's What Anti-Airs Are For. Kung Lao Needs Some Toning, And Cyrax Needs Those Resets And Damage Cut Down To At Least 40% Midscreen Max Like Almost Everyone Else. Other Characters Do Not Need To Be Raised In Damage, That's The Reason They Didn't Add Create A Fighter For Those Unfair Combos That Do Ridiculous Damage In Armageddon.

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Final Analysis : Cyrax Needs Major Damage+ Reset Toning. Kung Lao Needs That Spin Animation A Bit More Vulnerable After It's Done, It Can Be Done In Rapid Succession Easily. Kano Needs That Knife Throw Damage Lowered Even If It's His Only Projectile, Like Mileena Only Has One And Does 6% Damage. Reptile Is Fine Just How He Is Except For That Acid Spit And Running Dash, The Acid Is A Bit Fast Like Kano's Knives, And Reptile's Reptilian Dash Is Just Too Fast, Making It A Bit More Punishable Like Adding More Frames To The End Of It, To Make It Vulnerable Like Kano's Cannon-Balls. Raiden Has Only One Projectile But Who's Complaining? Meanwhile NightWolf Is Fine The Way He Is, His Lightning Needs To Be Un-Blockable And Slow So That It Actually Has It's Meaning.

And That Is All.

-Thanks For Reading.
 
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REPTILE 0009 said:
It's no secret that characters like Kung Lao, Raiden, Reptile, Nightwolf, Cyrax, and Kano are undeniably S-tier characters. So much so, that pretty much all the other characters are unable to compete with them, which results in those characters not being used in tournaments. And I'm kinda sick of it. I'm creating this thread, not to b**** and whine about how these characters are, but to be constructive, and tell NRS how to make these characters more balanced with the rest of the cast. I you have any suggestions, leave a reply.

Kung Lao: Severely weaken his defensive game. As of right now, Kung Lao is pretty much good at everything, which unfortunately result in him being so overpowered, which is why I'm suggesting that his defense should be severely weakened, almost to the point where one mistake can cost a Kung Lao player the round.

NRS can start, by nerfing his Spin. No, I don't mean, make it so that his Spin is more punishable. I mean, remove his Spin as a wakeup option. The Spin is the prime reason why his is defense is so good. With the Spin, it's almost impossible to jump at, or cross up a decent Kung Lao player without eating at 30% combo, which is complete bulls***. Also, lower it's priority so it will be beat out by a jump punch.
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Good point. Kung Lao reminds me of Wonder Woman from MK VS. DC, her stupid spin kept most characters from mounting a good offense because it would stop almost every kind of direct non projectile attack on her and people who use her spam the hell out of that move every time someone would get close to her would try and attack. Raiden (his superman fly if blocked should stay spinning close enough to deal him a good punishing without having to dash in if he does from far away) , Nightwolf (should be nerfed in every way), Kano (his knife throws should have longer recovery times and his kano balls should recover slower too). Scorpion's wake up teleport is to slow and should be fast enough to dodge a projectile if thrown while he's on the ground. Sub-Zero's ice ball and ground freeze needs to be faster as well.
 
BTW, people, its not like NRS is gonna listen to us any way because just look at the online lag issues and disconnections issues that STILL have not been corrected.
 
Kung Lao needs a strong weakness

Cyrax needs a damage nerf.

The rest are fine.

Except Raiden lol remove him from the game completely. I get beat by even casual Raidens. The guy is just too good and extremely annoying especially against my Mileena.
 
So... you want to nerf Nightwolf and Kano with longer time recoveries but you want to make Sub-Zero's specials - top-tier in the game - faster? That's insane! Not to mention that hell Scorpion doesn't need to be changed in any way. He's not at all a slow character and his enhanced teleport is 100% safe on block - isn't that enough already?

Most Nightwolf's specials are already very slow on start and on recovery time. You are obviously complaining about his one faster special - shoulder. Shoulder doesn't need to be nerfed when you can punish it EASILY by ducking and uppercutting.
 
ST3RL1NGXS1LV3R said:
Raiden Is Fine, He's Top Tier And Will Always Be Annoying, He's Nothing Without The Teleport And Fly, It's What Makes Him An Elder God. 2 Resets Is Enough For Around 40 Damage With Cyrax. One Bar For Cyrax Can Do 53% Damage Easy, Meanwhile I Do Mileena's 29 Hit 3 Bar Combo For Only 50% Damage? Mileena Has Never Been A True Heavy Damage Hitting Character, But Cyrax Just Does Too Much Damage For Too Little Special Bar. A Kung Lao Can Do The Same As Cyrax But In A Different Manner, Spin,Jump Kick,Dive Kick, Low Roll Kick = 31%[Needs Testing]? Meanwhile 2,1,2,1,Spin,Uppercut Does How Much? Kung Lao Can Also Do A Lot Of Damage After That Spin. Meanwhile Liu Kang Needs To Do B+3,1,2 Four Times For A 12 Hit 33% Damage Combo? Like I Said Before, Kung Lao Has Alot Of BnB's And Mix-Ups, He's Also A Very Easy Spamming Character Like Kano, And Sindel Likewise Noob. But Others Like Mileena's Sai Blast Only Does Around 5-6% Damage Meanwhile Kung Lao's Hat Does More. They Do Need To Fix Kung Lao's Grab Combo Where You Have The Choice Of Pressing 2 For A Shaolin Punch Or Something Like That, Or Where You Press 1 For A Overhand Throw. That Combo Can Be Done Meanwhile Someone Is Falling In Mid-Air And The Grab Combo Goes Into Effect, Now Kung Lao Is One Of The Only People That Actually Have A Combo That Gives You The Option For 2 Different Attacks, But It's No Different Than Sektor's Toe Stance, Or Liu Kang's Or Sonya's Stances, Likewise Freddy. It Is A Bit Unfair That Jax Or Any Other Character Does Not Have That Same Ability That Kung Lao Has That You May Do A Combo And Grab While Someone Is Falling Mid-Air. But That's What Anti-Airs Are For. Kung Lao Needs Some Toning, And Cyrax Needs Those Resets And Damage Cut Down To At Least 40% Midscreen Max Like Almost Everyone Else. Other Characters Do Not Need To Be Raised In Damage, That's The Reason They Didn't Add Create A Fighter For Those Unfair Combos That Do Ridiculous Damage In Armageddon.

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Final Analysis : Cyrax Needs Major Damage+ Reset Toning. Kung Lao Needs That Spin Animation A Bit More Vulnerable After It's Done, It Can Be Done In Rapid Succession Easily. Kano Needs That Knife Throw Damage Lowered Even If It's His Only Projectile, Like Mileena Only Has One And Does 6% Damage. Reptile Is Fine Just How He Is Except For That Acid Spit And Running Dash, The Acid Is A Bit Fast Like Kano's Knives, And Reptile's Reptilian Dash Is Just Too Fast, Making It A Bit More Punishable Like Adding More Frames To The End Of It, To Make It Vulnerable Like Kano's Cannon-Balls. Raiden Has Only One Projectile But Who's Complaining? Meanwhile NightWolf Is Fine The Way He Is, His Lightning Needs To Be Un-Blockable And Slow So That It Actually Has It's Meaning.

And That Is All.

-Thanks For Reading.
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the enter key is you friend you know, raiden is not fine his rushdown isnt always punishable sometimes if you try to punish it raiden will punish you, only chuck norris should do that and he is not in the game
 
Characters like Sub-Zero, Kitana and Smoke don't need to be buffed. It's the top 5-7 that need to be nerfed.

1. Raiden
2. Kung Lao
3. Kabal / Freddy
4. Cyrax
5. Reptile / Nightwolf

Those are the super characters that need to be toned down. Kano is not a super character. He's only godtier online because lag makes it almost impossible to punish his up balls or react to his x-ray in time. Offline I can easily get 20% combos when I block an upball.
 
ST3RL1NGXS1LV3R said:
Raiden Is Fine, He's Top Tier And Will Always Be Annoying, He's Nothing Without The Teleport And Fly, It's What Makes Him An Elder God. 2 Resets Is Enough For Around 40 Damage With Cyrax. One Bar For Cyrax Can Do 53% Damage Easy, Meanwhile I Do Mileena's 29 Hit 3 Bar Combo For Only 50% Damage? Mileena Has Never Been A True Heavy Damage Hitting Character, But Cyrax Just Does Too Much Damage For Too Little Special Bar. A Kung Lao Can Do The Same As Cyrax But In A Different Manner, Spin,Jump Kick,Dive Kick, Low Roll Kick = 31%[Needs Testing]? Meanwhile 2,1,2,1,Spin,Uppercut Does How Much? Kung Lao Can Also Do A Lot Of Damage After That Spin. Meanwhile Liu Kang Needs To Do B+3,1,2 Four Times For A 12 Hit 33% Damage Combo? Like I Said Before, Kung Lao Has Alot Of BnB's And Mix-Ups, He's Also A Very Easy Spamming Character Like Kano, And Sindel Likewise Noob. But Others Like Mileena's Sai Blast Only Does Around 5-6% Damage Meanwhile Kung Lao's Hat Does More. They Do Need To Fix Kung Lao's Grab Combo Where You Have The Choice Of Pressing 2 For A Shaolin Punch Or Something Like That, Or Where You Press 1 For A Overhand Throw. That Combo Can Be Done Meanwhile Someone Is Falling In Mid-Air And The Grab Combo Goes Into Effect, Now Kung Lao Is One Of The Only People That Actually Have A Combo That Gives You The Option For 2 Different Attacks, But It's No Different Than Sektor's Toe Stance, Or Liu Kang's Or Sonya's Stances, Likewise Freddy. It Is A Bit Unfair That Jax Or Any Other Character Does Not Have That Same Ability That Kung Lao Has That You May Do A Combo And Grab While Someone Is Falling Mid-Air. But That's What Anti-Airs Are For. Kung Lao Needs Some Toning, And Cyrax Needs Those Resets And Damage Cut Down To At Least 40% Midscreen Max Like Almost Everyone Else. Other Characters Do Not Need To Be Raised In Damage, That's The Reason They Didn't Add Create A Fighter For Those Unfair Combos That Do Ridiculous Damage In Armageddon.

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Final Analysis : Cyrax Needs Major Damage+ Reset Toning. Kung Lao Needs That Spin Animation A Bit More Vulnerable After It's Done, It Can Be Done In Rapid Succession Easily. Kano Needs That Knife Throw Damage Lowered Even If It's His Only Projectile, Like Mileena Only Has One And Does 6% Damage. Reptile Is Fine Just How He Is Except For That Acid Spit And Running Dash, The Acid Is A Bit Fast Like Kano's Knives, And Reptile's Reptilian Dash Is Just Too Fast, Making It A Bit More Punishable Like Adding More Frames To The End Of It, To Make It Vulnerable Like Kano's Cannon-Balls. Raiden Has Only One Projectile But Who's Complaining? Meanwhile NightWolf Is Fine The Way He Is, His Lightning Needs To Be Un-Blockable And Slow So That It Actually Has It's Meaning.

And That Is All.

-Thanks For Reading.
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Why? Why do you need to capitalize the first letter of EVERY SINGLE WORD? I'm not even going to try and read that. Seriously, can't you just type normally?
 
Zoidberg747 said:
How should Kabal be nerfed?
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-Fix his projetiles to have actual start up frames that are vulnerable like everyone elses (his projectiles are supposed to have 15 start up frames but they come out on frame 0 and don't get stuffed when you hit Kabal during the first 15 frames which I'm pretty sure is a glitch). To compensate for this nerf, they should slightly decrease the recovery frames on ground saw I think.

-Decrease the amount of meter gained somehow. Thanks to his iaGas Blasts and his infamous Block Trap, Kabal can currently build nearly 3 breakers (or 6 EN nomad dash or 2 x-rays) per round which is absolutely stupid.

Those are the only 2 nerfs I would give him. He doesn't need a damage nerf and his block trap is fine because it can be escaped by poking during the dash cancel or by letting the second attack hit.

His 50/50 is a ***** to deal with but by making his ground saw have actual start up, it would mean you could D1 to stuff it and escape the low option unless he uses the EN version.
 
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People need to stop hating on Cyrax, he's not OP. I rarely ever see Cyrax players online. In my whole MK9 career I've only seen maybe 3-4 good Cyrax players including myself. If he truly as OP you would see him frequently like Kung Lao and Raiden. Which are the only characters that need to be nerfed.
 
Immortal Reaver said:
People need to stop hating on Cyrax, he's not OP. I rarely ever see Cyrax players online. In my whole MK9 career I've only seen maybe 3-4 good Cyrax players including myself. If he truly as OP you would see him frequently like Kung Lao and Raiden. Which are the only characters that need to be nerfed.
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yeah Cyrax isnt OP. He's more of a challenging player to master which is why you dont see alot of them.

Honestly, the games almost perfect, they did a good job balanncing in this game. Of course there is Kung lao, but every game neeeds it's scub character. I mostly sumbit to this idea as I know he isnt getting nerfed again
 
Immortal Reaver said:
I rarely ever see Cyrax players online.
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People need to stop using online as an argument. NRS shouldn't nerf or buff characters when lag is the real problem. Cyrax is not popular online because people constantly drop his 70% BnB combo for 1 bar.

You can play smarter and better than Cyrax, you can have a 70% vs 5% life lead but if you have no meter and get caught by only 1 random net it's pretty much GG.

And btw Cyrax is the currently most used character in offline tournaments.


ST3RL1NGXS1LV3R said:
Final Analysis : Cyrax Needs Major Damage+ Reset Toning. Kung Lao Needs That Spin Animation A Bit More Vulnerable After It's Done, It Can Be Done In Rapid Succession Easily. Kano Needs That Knife Throw Damage Lowered Even If It's His Only Projectile, Like Mileena Only Has One And Does 6% Damage. Reptile Is Fine Just How He Is Except For That Acid Spit And Running Dash, The Acid Is A Bit Fast Like Kano's Knives, And Reptile's Reptilian Dash Is Just Too Fast, Making It A Bit More Punishable Like Adding More Frames To The End Of It, To Make It Vulnerable Like Kano's Cannon-Balls. Raiden Has Only One Projectile But Who's Complaining? Meanwhile NightWolf Is Fine The Way He Is, His Lightning Needs To Be Un-Blockable And Slow So That It Actually Has It's Meaning.

And That Is All.

-Thanks For Reading.
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I just wanted to say: I didn't read your post because you write like a damn fool. Stop using Capital letters at the beginning of each word. It's annoying, childish, hurts the eye and makes your posts unreadable.
 
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KL reminds me of Akuma in SSF IV, tons and tons of tools. However Akuma is balanced out by having the second worst health in the game.

I think if KL spin acted like a uppercut, and you couldn't combo off of it, that should be nerf enough.

@Immortal, no1 said that Cyrax is OP, but NO ONE ELSE can do that much damage on one bar! If you say he needs that you are massively biased. Unless you don't think there is anything more to him than that easy high reward combo?
 
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