Modern Rap.

iViTal said:
Wow, I really feel educated now..

and I can't lie the Instrumentals is what draw me in to today's Hip hop, and the songs are catchy but I hate the lyrics with a passion though. Especially the Song Amen by Meek Millz.. The whole song is a contradiction, but the instrumentals. I can't get enough of them.
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I feel you on that! I RARELY get into rappers. I just like a lot of mainstream beats that "go hard". It takes a lot for me to like an emcee. Check it, the instrumental for "Bat Gang" by Kid Ink. So sick (maybe because I love Batman :p)


Actual song isn't bad either. Kid Ink is pretty cool.

 
Haha, DCP, I can't agree with you on the Tupac and Biggie part at all (well, mostly Tupac), but overall, you do have a point, especially the times changing part. Really, though, it's just a matter of personal preference. I know a lot of people who are into that kind of stuff, personally I'm not a fan at all of the hype and partying shit you see in today's hip hop. Not because I expect every song to contemplate the meaning of life or because I'm a nostalgiatard who thinks that everything has to be older to be better. I'm just not that type of person who would like that stuff, you know. I prefer chill songs, songs that relax me or songs that give off a certain mood, because I'm a chill person. So, in a sense, I sort of am what I listen to. Feel me?

I also have to disagree on the "true hip hop heads" part but that's because I don't agree the whole "if you're a true fan" thing that I see a lot. I mean, who gives a shit about that (no offense meant by this)? I've listened to hundreds of hip hop tracks, whether they be old school, new school or underground, yet I don't consider myself any more of a fan of hip hop than any other fan. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just music. Either you enjoy it or you don't. Hip hop is by far my favorite genre, but again, I don't consider myself a hip-hop guru of any sort, I just enjoy hip hop and music in general.

Also, about the mainstream beats... definitely agree that they are catchy and overall I like them a lot (especially "House Party" and "Ima Boss" by Meek Mill), and DCP, the ones you just posted in particular were pretty good. In fact, that's why I mostly listen to the instrumentals, because I like those and don't care for the lyrics at all. Still, though, I feel like there's something missing from them. I guess you could say this is another result of the changing times and also techonlogy improving, but they just sound too... synthetic and computerized, if that makes sense. I liked old school beats a lot because they had like a natural, organic flow to them; they had heart. Also, they all sound too similar to me, but then again, a lot of old school beats sound very similar, too, so I don't hold that against either. Still, though, this is why I love underground hip hop, because a lot of those tracks can be very unique and experimental in nature in addition to having that chill and atmospheric feel to them that I look for a lot in music. This is also why I ****ing love the anime Samurai Champloo becaus in addition to being an great anime itself, it also introduced me to an overall different and refreshing style of hip hop, more specifically, two subgenres- jazz hop and trip hop. It also introduced to probably my favorite DJ of all time, Nujabes:

 
DCP said:
This era now (mainstream wise) is all about the partying. The girls, the sex, the money, the clubs, the cars, the mansions. It's what's hot right now. I'm not gonna lie, when certain songs come on the radio while me and my friends are in the car, we rock the hell out. Seriously, if you take most mainstream songs and dissect them to look for content, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. They're fun, they're great for parties, kickbacks, and clubs, but they are NOT something you can listen to and say, "Wow, you know what, Waka Flaka has a point here! What an interesting point of view!".
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This is probably the main reason I don't like all this new music, yea some of it might be catchy but I like to listen to I guess you could say a different kind of rap. I don't want to hear rappers talkin about how awesome they are because they funk bishes and do drugs, while some of the songs may be catchy that just aint my type of music. I'd rather hear them rap about some dark ass shit, it gets me pumped up for when I'm playing games while I'm listening to music. I'm not saying every song I listen to are about killing people and shit, but a lot of them are and they are pretty sick.
 
Things I didn't quote are the things I agree with, for the most part.

DCP said:
Seriously, if you take most mainstream songs and dissect them to look for content, you're an idiot.
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Actually sir quite the contrary, when you understand that music is art in it's purest form, you understand that without content (talent, a message, meaning) then the 'music' you are listening to isn't music, its noise. Comparable to the artists who throw paint on a canvas to form random shapes and frame it.



DCP said:
P.S. Tupac and Biggie are the most OVERRATED emcees EVER. Seriously, stop dickriding. They aren't legends and they're not the best. Too many people have that twisted.
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Have to greatly disagree with you there. Don't really listen to Biggie, but Pac had something. His flow was incredible, it was almost as if he hit the snare with his voice. Dude had emotion in his songs, he actually meant what he said. And his songs were easy to relate to. Rapped about how shit gets hard, things seem screwed up and how we can make it out of it. Listen to current music and all you hear is how the rapper is so much better than you. Why would I want to listen to that? You can rock out all you want, but you're not a bigger fan than me because you listen without hearing. My homies, my homie's brother and I were in a car a few years back. Homie's brother puts a Lil Wayne CD in the car and my homie pulls it right out. He puts it right back in and I watch this dude get wailed on. Many people share this mindset; If I don't like what you're saying, I'm not going to hear it. Stop dickriding? How about stop being a hipster and give credit where credit is due.



The reason I reject this garbage music and encourage others to as well, is because I see the destructive path its sending the black man on. No I'm not on some 1960 "Keep hope alive!" tirade, I mean our music is making us devolve. We started out as brothers, sang nothing but songs of how much love he have for one another, then we got into a phase where it was all about being cool. Your walk, your sound, your threads, it was all about making envy you. And that in itself is not bad, friendly competition all around. Then we went to just straight up having fun, break dancing, rapping on the streets, everyone was having fun. But then we got into the gangsta phase. If you wanted to be cool, you had to be tough. But that was taken too far, and tough meant preying on the weak. However for the most part, that was a phase of "We aint brothas no mo, I wont mess with you if you don't mess with me." However now, its a style of "yolo" live life one day at a time, be as hardcore as you want, take what you want and live reckless. These guys are bringing a message into the mainstream that these kids cannot handle. Because the rappers themselves are idiots. There is a song called "G Check". G Check is where you test someone's gangsta. Now you've got kids running around trying to G Check because its a cool thing they heard in a song. However these kids have no proper knowledge of how the game works, you try Checking an OG and you're finished.


I happen to know for a fact that music has a greater influence than most people think. Coming from a family where half are bangers, I know that before a drive by you need to listen to some hype shit to pump you up or else you'll flake out. This music is telling these kids they're stronger than they actually are.

GOOD MORNING
 
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Things I didn't quote are the things I agree with, for the most part.



Actually sir quite the contrary, when you understand that music is art in it's purest form, you understand that without content (talent, a message, meaning) then the 'music' you are listening to isn't music, its noise. Comparable to the artists who throw paint on a canvas to form random shapes and frame it.






Have to greatly disagree with you there. Don't really listen to Biggie, but Pac had something. His flow was incredible, it was almost as if he hit the snare with his voice. Dude had emotion in his songs, he actually meant what he said. And his songs were easy to relate to. Rapped about how shit gets hard, things seem screwed up and how we can make it out of it. Listen to current music and all you hear is how the rapper is so much better than you. Why would I want to listen to that? You can rock out all you want, but you're not a bigger fan than me because you listen without hearing. My homies, my homie's brother and I were in a car a few years back. Homie's brother puts a Lil Wayne CD in the car and my homie pulls it right out. He puts it right back in and I watch this dude get wailed on. Many people share this mindset; If I don't like what you're saying, I'm not going to hear it. Stop dickriding? How about stop being a hipster and give credit where credit is due.



The reason I reject this garbage music and encourage others to as well, is because I see the destructive path its sending the black man on. No I'm not on some 1960 "Keep hope alive!" tirade, I mean our music is making us devolve. We started out as brothers, sang nothing but songs of how much love he have for one another, then we got into a phase where it was all about being cool. Your walk, your sound, your threads, it was all about making envy you. And that in itself is not bad, friendly competition all around. Then we went to just straight up having fun, break dancing, rapping on the streets, everyone was having fun. But then we got into the gangsta phase. If you wanted to be cool, you had to be tough. But that was taken too far, and tough meant preying on the weak. However for the most part, that was a phase of "We aint brothas no mo, I wont mess with you if you don't mess with me." However now, its a style of "yolo" live life one day at a time, be as hardcore as you want, take what you want and live reckless. These guys are bringing a message into the mainstream that these kids cannot handle. Because the rappers themselves are idiots. There is a song called "G Check". G Check is where you test someone's gangsta. Now you've got kids running around trying to G Check because its a cool thing they heard in a song. However these kids have no proper knowledge of how the game works, you try Checking an OG and you're finished.


I happen to know for a fact that music has a greater influence than most people think. Coming from a family where half are bangers, I know that before a drive by you need to listen to some hype shit to pump you up or else you'll flake out. This music is telling these kids they're stronger than they actually are.

GOOD MORNING
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I can't thank posts yet. So...

Good shit, man. Gave me lil chill towards the end there haha. Gangsta rap has the most passion if you ask me. It sounds to me that he ain't listenin' to the right ones. And I don't listen to it to give me an image. I listen to it cuz most of it (Well, the shit I listen to) comes from motherf*****s who've been through struggles and hard times, and I can relate to most of it. I listen to it behind closed doors. I ain't tryna impress nobody, not tryin' to get credit just sayin how it is. Glad to see someone felt the same way. Don't get me wrong I'm hispanic. But I'd like to think I can empathize witcha.
 
KillerTea, your recent posts have been really impressing me

You may not be able to thank posts yet, but I'm damn sure about to thank yours
 
Viking_Poodle said:
Godammit, bbblp I love you for this. I can totally get into rap like AsapRocky, and Lil B even.. But it's just like Tyler is trying too hard to 'shock' people. Can't stand that.
But no offense to you McGriff. You've always been one of my favorites on here. Wish you'd post more tbh.
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I like my more positive, more tastefully done hip hop as well, but I do enjoy some artists with some teeth and psychosis in their work. I don't find Tyler more shocking than most of what I grew up with, and if I think of other artists that truly feel like they get by only with shock, I think of Necro where shock value is all he has. I see Tyler The Creator's value the same way I see A Clockwork Orange. The violence in his work is insightful yet almost to the extreme of being parody or satire. It's shock, yeah. But it's, like, art shock.

All that said, it would mean nothing if it wasn't commercially successful.

And I may be biased since me and Tyler both love the shit out of Adventure Time.

(Sorry for the late response to this. I somehow missed the Dumb n Dumber reply.)
 
mcgriffin said:
I like my more positive, more tastefully done hip hop as well, but I do enjoy some artists with some teeth and psychosis in their work. I don't find Tyler more shocking than most of what I grew up with, and if I think of other artists that truly feel like they get by only with shock, I think of Necro where shock value is all he has. I see Tyler The Creator's value the same way I see A Clockwork Orange. The violence in his work is insightful yet almost to the extreme of being parody or satire. It's shock, yeah. But it's, like, art shock.

All that said, it would mean nothing if it wasn't commercially successful.

And I may be biased since me and Tyler both love the shit out of Adventure Time.

(Sorry for the late response to this. I somehow missed the Dumb n Dumber reply.)
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IMO, Hopsin is way better than Tyler. Tyler's stuff sounds boring to me.
 
I've never been a big fan of hip-hop, rappers, or any other types of music related to the style. In fact, the only rappers I can safely say I enjoy listening to are Zach de la Rocha (Rage Against The Machine) and Aesop Rock (Thanks to Low Punch for finding a dedicated rapper I can actually enjoy listening to). However, I can say that every time I hear some of the modern stuff play on the radio, or on a friends ipod, or anywhere else it might be found, it annoys me. There was a once a time when those people had some sort of message, and even if I didn't enjoy their music, I could respect what they produced. Now though... Modern albums are nothing but a mess of auto-tuned vocals, synthesized soundtracks, and tasteless lyrics often written for the "artist" by outside sources. As a musician, that infuriates me. As a writer/poet, that infuriates me. As a human being, that infuriates me.

I'm probably coming across as harsh here, so I want people to keep in mind that my views on this apply to just about every other popular modern "artist." I despise modern interpretations of pop, rock, certain interpretations of metal, and dubstep roughly the same. Music is one of the few things I can get myself worked up over like this about, so I just figured I'd take the time to post my views on the subject. What really bothers me, however, is just how willing the average person is to buy these productions. Somehow, a large portion of the human race managed to get itself completely turned away from actual music so quickly that most people I know have never heard anything else. There've been many occasions where I'll be talking about music and a classmate will ask me: "What the hell is jazz?" It's just shocking, you know?

Nowadays, almost every artist I listen to is either independent, or relatively unknown. But then, I suppose when you listen to Jazz, Prog Rock, and the variants of metal I do, nothing is mainstream. It really would be nice though, to see true talent make its way to the forefront of the public eye sometime. People need to discover, or re-discover, other forms of music beyond hip-hop, pop, soft rock, and A7X type metal.

... When that happens, drinks are on me.

EDIT: Wow, that was disjointed. I apologize for the presentation, but I think my point still comes across clear, so I'll leave it as is.
 
Not harsh at all, I wholeheartedly agree.

Without a message, a rap song is just a guy spouting gibberish in my ears. Its a waste of my time. I put my headphones on so I don't have to listen to other people's bullshit, why would I listen to yours? To be cool? If I gave a shit about being cool I'd be doped up and wasted right now.


Thats why I mostly listen to instrumentals, oldschool & select underground.
 
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Not harsh at all, I wholeheartedly agree.

Without a message, a rap song is just a guy spouting gibberish in my ears. Its a waste of my time. I put my headphones on so I don't have to listen to other people's bullshit, why would I listen to yours? To be cool? If I gave a shit about being cool I'd be doped up and wasted right now.


Thats why I mostly listen to instrumentals, oldschool & select underground.
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Honestly, messages don't matter to me unless it's hip-hop. Other types of music, like metal, are more about the instrumentation and musicianship of the various band members and as such the meaning of the lyrics very rarely influences my opinion. Sure, that meaning is a nice thing to have, but for a lot of what I listen to, it's just the cherry on top of the sunday. A pleasant surprise you discover at the end of the track. However, for music that revolves entirely around the lyrics and vocalizations of the song at hand, some form of meaning is absolutely necessary. I don't listen to your music for the repetitive synth riffs. I listen to it with the intention of studying and understanding the meaning behind your lyrics. I don't give a flying fudgebar over how much fun you have getting wasted at midnight raves. Give me something powerful and compelling to mull over. Give me something thought provoking. At the very least, give me something! Because the same sound on repeat for ten two minute tracks is hardly a compelling offer.
 
I've gotta agree with DCP about the content part, but that applies to almost all contemporary/mainstream music, regardless of the genre. The mainstream media WANTS banal, non-controversial material because they want to reach the widest audience and if they had music (or TV shows or whatever media they produce) that has actual, interesting content, they're gonna alienate people. The more people they alienate, the more revenue they lose, too.

And yeah, Pac is pretty over-rated. Biggie was nothing more than a guy who could flow (sometimes) and people stuck with him because he was loyal to New York in a time when the rivalry between the coasts was such a big deal. Both have a few really good songs, but they're far from rare. Then again, most mainstream artists are over-rated. Making good music isn't as difficult as it may seem, and a simple search on youtube can prove this. There are HUNDREDS of great musicians on there. The major difference is that youtube isn't in our car playing shit without us pressing play.

Modern rap is garbage. I hate lil Wayne because his shit is just about how badass he is and how much money he has, but the dude can flow. He has no positive message, but he bleeds hype and energy. The thing that really sucks about the rest of modern rap is that they all say pretty much the same shit he does, only they lack the rhythm and confidence he exudes.

The other thing that I've always hated about rap is that even the artists with something to actually say end up giving in to the practice of self-aggrandizing. Jay-Z is a perfect example. The dude connects with his urban fans by talking about how struggling in the slums sucks, but the next track he just talks about how much jewelry he has and how many hos he's got. That's bullshit.
 
I usually listen to older raps, I don't like any of these new rappers. This track is hot, Kuniva is pretty sick. His new mixtapes are good too, if you like this you should check them out.

 
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