Problems with MKAK...

I saw that interview, and trying to find it again found this- http://tteymur.wordpress.com/2011/0...terview-with-dan-pesina-someone-you-all-know/

I'm really starting to believe these games are actually being emulated inside the Unreal Engine. At first I just thought what Zaq suggested, that the Unreal tech was just being used for the cabinets in the menu. But, if it is being used in game (they have to do the curved monitor filter somehow), it confirms two things - 1. Why we have such terrible lag issues, because who would use something so taxing to handle something that takes up such little resources, and 2. That this really might have been some seriously lazy programming.

So you say these old games got coded in a recent "super" engine, isn't the reason for these newer engines to produce something far more superior than our old Klassics. With MAME we could play the games on older computer systems, as good as arcadeperfect. I thought it wouldn't take more than a MAME like emulator with simple frontend (like Hyperspin), I'm a programming noob so correct if wrong...

It's a missed oppurtunity for WB, attracting new costumers or delivering "fan service" this way, it will just make 'm loose face among the players. This will probably reflect on NRS/BOON more than they even had to with the whole MKAK production.

Edit: still buying though ;)
 
"This will probably reflect on NRS/BOON more than they even had to with the whole MKAK production."

If they try to just sweep this under the rug and not fix any of these issues, to me it reflects the most on Boon himself. I understand NRS didnt do the development work, and that Other Ocean and Code Mystics did, but these games are Ed Boon's babies. Him signing off of these games being released as they are, and calling them arcade perfect when they obviously aren't is an insult to true fans of the series. The new MK has sold 3 million units and no doubt has WB execs smiling from ear to ear....the interest is SUPER high right now in MK, and they have the chance to make another sum of cash on re-releasing the old arcade games in "perfect arcade" condition. Why this Kollection would be half-assed is mind boggling, even more mind-boggling is how Ed could ok it.
 
When i play with painted 1 or 2 option game is not fluent like other filters. Also everybody know that online is laggy as hell as all of you know.
 
Goro's lair music was a piss off, and online is so damn laggy.... Like cmon! This game can run on an snes for crying out loud, how much bandwidth do you need?

It's not just lazy programming, it's EXTREMELY LAZY programming.

These games are all over 15 years old. How hard could it really be to get it right? I bet an undergrad group of 5 or 6 seniors from Georgia Tech could get it right in a week or so.

So this isn't just lazy. This is a complete F-You and a sign that NRS does NOT CARE about its fans at ALL.

If they don't care about us, why should we care about them?

I totally agree with this guy, you are a genius my friend ;)

daniel did an interview with internetstreets.org (the link to the article is dead now, wish i had screen grabbed it). anyway, he essentially explained what happened, and why he left. he said that he was friends with john tobias, and john asked him if he and some other martial artists would work on mk1 (at that time). daniel said yes, as a favor to john, and when it was time to sign the contract ( a measly 1 page contract according to daniel) he says that he specifically asked ed boon if his work would ONLY be used for the arcade game, and nothing else. boon said, to paraphrase "sure, just the arcade". remember, this is mk1 back around 1989/90, so genesis might have just been released. now, in fairness to ed, he may have actually thought, well, this game is just a one-off game; what are the chances that it wll become a pop-culture phenomenon?" i don't think anyone really knows sometimes, but the possibility was still there, and i don't think daniel's contract accounted for that.

nonetheless, mk became that pop-culture phenomenon and lo and behold, mk1 got ported to home consoles. so daniel says he went to boon again, and was like, to paraphrase "dude, what's up with this?" "can we get paid our royalties?", again, ed was like, to paraphrase "oh, don't worry about it, we'll take care of you." <lies at that point, ed was just trying to get daniel on mk2, imo. then after nothing got "taken care of" the mk1&2 crew (probably, all but tony marquez and richard divizio sued midway for royalties and lost) . daniel says, he was able to find one lawyer to take up his cause, and midway came with around 60+ lawyers. YIKES! daniel did the bloodstorm ad, cage got killed until trilogy, and the rest is history.

daniel said, tobias didn't really stick up for him either, though he did say they are still friends today. ed says he and john still talk, but i wonder why tobias actually left midway. if you ask me, it was probably about money again, or rights to mk. tobias probably wanted, either more ownership to mk (which, he probably deserved, since he created the entire world. however, if his contract stipulated work for hire, he may have been screwed to hell) boon's situation might be different, since, if you've ever looked at the mk1 credits, it says that the software was created by ed boon, so i don't know if that gives him any stronger financial rights to a portion of the original games, via their code. in any event, tobias made tao feng; it failed, and the only time i heard from john tobias was an interview on trmk, and the old mkvsdc podcast in which tobias said (at that time) that he hadn't touched (drawn) a mortal kombat character in years. so what was that? 6 or seven years since he left in 2000?

obviously, i don't know what kind of money, tobias gets from mk royalties. maybe he gets a nice sum, maybe he gets nothing, but i know he doesn't own those characters.

and finally, daniel had some words of advice for any creative person or artist, to paraphrase "think twice before you sign anything." "don't trust people that you think you know." "know your rights ahead of time."

meanwhile, ed is still there selling mk in any condition possible, just as long as they move units. so, like i said. boon wins again.

Dude thank you very much for this informative reply. Its kinda sad people do this but im still puzzled as to why daniels bro, carlos works with him. +rep i really dont know how to increase reputation but i seen some people do it on this forum :)
 
"This will probably reflect on NRS/BOON more than they even had to with the whole MKAK production."

If they try to just sweep this under the rug and not fix any of these issues, to me it reflects the most on Boon himself. I understand NRS didnt do the development work, and that Other Ocean and Code Mystics did, but these games are Ed Boon's babies.

True! Delivering quality, isn't this why games get tested!?
 
You guys would rather illegally play a game then deal with a few changes on a digital download?

You mean would people rather play a game that works, rather then pay for a sloppily done port of a 19 year old game?

"Suck it up for a change and enjoy what we got" - sounds like you lead a very dull life
 
Goro's lair music was a piss off, and online is so damn laggy.... Like cmon! This game can run on an snes for crying out loud, how much bandwidth do you need?

OMG BRO! You took the words right out of my mouth!

+RESPECT

Seriously though... how F'n hard could it be to get it right after almost 19 years!?!? Im so dissapointed! I really wanted to play an ARCADE PERFECT PORT OF MK1 and UMK3 (but this is FARRRRRRRRR FROM IT!!!!)
 
My point in bringing up the console versions was that they not only play better, but look and sound better too. It's sad to see that a SNES port > than a supposedly direct port of the arcade on PS3.

You mean the port where they drew over all the characters making them smaller and different looking than the arcade? The one with SNES midi music instead of the original arcade music and all the sounds where lower sampled and raiden's torpedo move sound where different? The port where barakas back, back, back, LP blade move had less blood and was choppy compared to the arcade? Only rose tinted glasses\nostalgia makes it better. Only the first game for the SNES looked anywhere as good as the arcade and the gameplay suffered because of hardware limitations as well as removing the blood and fatalities..

The rest had blurrier graphics, smaller fighters and worse sound than the arcade and this includes the popular MK2 port which I was disappointed with even back in the day but I had no alternative back then for playing it at home. Hell, even the blood color was off compared to the arcade although I used to blame my TV for that.... but then I noticed the same thing in SNES emulation..... so I'd rather play it in MAME. All newer ports may have their issues but they are all better than the SNES version.

The SNES versions where hardly an arcade quality experience, sorry.
 
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You mean would people rather play a game that works, rather then pay for a sloppily done port of a 19 year old game?

This. Just played all three for the trial, and although the nostalgiagasm was EPIC, I'm pretty let down that even SOUND-BYTES aren't working properly =( I wanna hear Liu's turkey-scream in it's ENTIRETY in UMK3! Looks like its a great add to my MK collection, but damnit, NRS could've treated their pride and joy ALOT better than this. And from the sound of it, the online's laggier than MK9? o.O oh my.
 
Guys, there's no reason to freak out THIS badly about the sounds in the game. I'd rather have a very FEW sound bugs than a UMK3 game where we cannot even save the hidden characters we unlocked. Plus, the addition of filters is AWESOME.
I own the Mortal Kombat 2 arcade machine, and yeah, the "Arcade Kollection" isn't 'perfect', and it does need work with some glitches (fighters beating you up before it says "FIGHT!" and things like this are FAR bigger issues than 'a sound not matching here or there'). Now, I do agree on the sub-zero freeze issue and the UMK 3 sound issues to a degree, but as for MK1, leave it alone.
MK 2 isn't too bad, either.
You're all acting like this thing is abysmal which, it clearly isn't.
Needs a patch? Yeah, it does. But that will only happen if you contact Other Ocean and ask for one, NICELY. They'll go by how many of you NICELY ask them for patches.
So get on that, it's up to you ALL to email.
Now, as for what needs to be fixed: LAG.
I'm SURE this will be fixed, this game sold REALLY well and it JUST launched. There's got to be some updating that they will do for that, I can't see anyone just walking away from a title like this (especially under the WB title) and not fixing one of the most vital parts of the game. I can almost GUARANTEE that they are making a patch.
As for the other ludicrous threads I've seen that "Ed Boon is a used car salesman" and that "Ed Boon sold Daniel Pesina down the river and we shouldn't be MK fans for that." I find that statement ludicrous, especially as someone who is friends with Daniel.
Yes, Daniel is NOT an Ed Boon fan. Yes, I agree Daniel didn't get fair treatment. I don't think it's a good idea to air someone elses problems out over a forum (especially if you do not know either party). I have a huge amount of respect for Daniel, but I highly doubt he'd want everyone on here getting involved in drama that happened to him years ago.
As for that's effects on Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection, well, it has nothing to do with it. Other Ocean developed this game, not NRS. So bringing Ed Boon into this isn't anything rational at all.
And for the comment on Daniel being removed from the MK 1 cabinet, who are you to say that was because "Ed was messing him over". For all you or I know (and I myself do not know, as I've never asked because it is not my place to ask) Daniel could've asked to be taken off the machine for royalty reasons (which is why he sued). To me, that was more of a Midway issue than a WB issue (so stop bringing WB into this) and it was a personal judgement call on Boon's part towards Daniel. From what I can tell you, Ed Boon loves the MK fanbase, the guy takes time out of his day to take a picture with EVERY SINGLE FAN and he does his best to answer fan questions on twitter, even when he's down right flooded with work. Ed isn't out to 'screw the MK fans', and quite honestly saying something like that is just wrong.
I'm venting. Apologies.
Yes, MKAK needs a patch or two. Is it awful? Far from it. Does lag need to be fixed? Yes, and it probably WILL get fixed. Do the sounds need a patch? Yes, and it could probably EASILY be patched, they're JUST sound files. Let's not read into this so damn soon. Let's give it some time, about 2-3 weeks, and see if anything is improved.
In short: Keep a level head, *****ing on a forum is good to vent, but only to a point:
If you're unhappy and want a patch, get off your e-posterior, and email a POLITE message to Other Ocean asking for one.

As for no spectator mode:
Yes, it's a bummer. Is it the end of the world? Nah, not really. Would it be nice to have? Sure. Will it be put in via patch? Probably not, that's a whole nother project all together to get that put in and done. MK 2 for PS3 didn't have spectator mode and from what I can see, the menus look FAR better on MK 2 in the MKAK. Plus, the addition of being able to put scanlines in and bulge out your screen like the arcade while getting the chance to purchase a MORTAL KOMBAT 1 style arcade stick, are just priceless. Guys, chill out.
Give it a few days. Stop crying like abused kids. We're a rather spoiled community, Boon and Co do a lot to make the fans happy and they actually try to listen to you (sometimes, too much, in my opinion).

My .02 cents here. Please, use rational thoughts on this.
I think it would be more pro-active to post known bugs, videos of them, etc, and then make a giant post compiling all of that info so you can forward the link on to Other Ocean so they can see what needs to be fixed. That way it'd take LESS time for a patch to come out.
Whaddya say?
How about be part of the solution, instead of the problem. And in my opinion, the MK Kommunity is a BIG part of the problems lately...
That's all for now.
 
My thought is no patch will come unless the gaming press jumps on it and gives the game horrible reviews and makes a big deal out of how abysmal it is for a company not to be able to get 15-20 year old games emulated correctly.

If places like IGN make a big deal out of it, maybe they will respond. If they get a bunch of emails from people who have already purchased the game anyway, I really don't see how they will care.

I would also recommend contacting WB and not the developer. I wouldn't think the developer would act on their own to issue a patch, but WB could certainly demand it as the publisher if they wanted to. It's really WB that shouldn't have greenlit the game until it was ready.
 
Guys, there's no reason to freak out THIS badly about the sounds in the game. I'd rather have a very FEW sound bugs than a UMK3 game where we cannot even save the hidden characters we unlocked. Plus, the addition of filters is AWESOME.
I own the Mortal Kombat 2 arcade machine, and yeah, the "Arcade Kollection" isn't 'perfect', and it does need work with some glitches (fighters beating you up before it says "FIGHT!" and things like this are FAR bigger issues than 'a sound not matching here or there'). Now, I do agree on the sub-zero freeze issue and the UMK 3 sound issues to a degree, but as for MK1, leave it alone.
MK 2 isn't too bad, either.
You're all acting like this thing is abysmal which, it clearly isn't.
Needs a patch? Yeah, it does. But that will only happen if you contact Other Ocean and ask for one, NICELY. They'll go by how many of you NICELY ask them for patches.
So get on that, it's up to you ALL to email.
Now, as for what needs to be fixed: LAG.
I'm SURE this will be fixed, this game sold REALLY well and it JUST launched. There's got to be some updating that they will do for that, I can't see anyone just walking away from a title like this (especially under the WB title) and not fixing one of the most vital parts of the game. I can almost GUARANTEE that they are making a patch.
As for the other ludicrous threads I've seen that "Ed Boon is a used car salesman" and that "Ed Boon sold Daniel Pesina down the river and we shouldn't be MK fans for that." I find that statement ludicrous, especially as someone who is friends with Daniel.
Yes, Daniel is NOT an Ed Boon fan. Yes, I agree Daniel didn't get fair treatment. I don't think it's a good idea to air someone elses problems out over a forum (especially if you do not know either party). I have a huge amount of respect for Daniel, but I highly doubt he'd want everyone on here getting involved in drama that happened to him years ago.
As for that's effects on Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection, well, it has nothing to do with it. Other Ocean developed this game, not NRS. So bringing Ed Boon into this isn't anything rational at all.
And for the comment on Daniel being removed from the MK 1 cabinet, who are you to say that was because "Ed was messing him over". For all you or I know (and I myself do not know, as I've never asked because it is not my place to ask) Daniel could've asked to be taken off the machine for royalty reasons (which is why he sued). To me, that was more of a Midway issue than a WB issue (so stop bringing WB into this) and it was a personal judgement call on Boon's part towards Daniel. From what I can tell you, Ed Boon loves the MK fanbase, the guy takes time out of his day to take a picture with EVERY SINGLE FAN and he does his best to answer fan questions on twitter, even when he's down right flooded with work. Ed isn't out to 'screw the MK fans', and quite honestly saying something like that is just wrong.
I'm venting. Apologies.
Yes, MKAK needs a patch or two. Is it awful? Far from it. Does lag need to be fixed? Yes, and it probably WILL get fixed. Do the sounds need a patch? Yes, and it could probably EASILY be patched, they're JUST sound files. Let's not read into this so damn soon. Let's give it some time, about 2-3 weeks, and see if anything is improved.
In short: Keep a level head, *****ing on a forum is good to vent, but only to a point:
If you're unhappy and want a patch, get off your e-posterior, and email a POLITE message to Other Ocean asking for one.

As for no spectator mode:
Yes, it's a bummer. Is it the end of the world? Nah, not really. Would it be nice to have? Sure. Will it be put in via patch? Probably not, that's a whole nother project all together to get that put in and done. MK 2 for PS3 didn't have spectator mode and from what I can see, the menus look FAR better on MK 2 in the MKAK. Plus, the addition of being able to put scanlines in and bulge out your screen like the arcade while getting the chance to purchase a MORTAL KOMBAT 1 style arcade stick, are just priceless. Guys, chill out.
Give it a few days. Stop crying like abused kids. We're a rather spoiled community, Boon and Co do a lot to make the fans happy and they actually try to listen to you (sometimes, too much, in my opinion).

My .02 cents here. Please, use rational thoughts on this.
I think it would be more pro-active to post known bugs, videos of them, etc, and then make a giant post compiling all of that info so you can forward the link on to Other Ocean so they can see what needs to be fixed. That way it'd take LESS time for a patch to come out.
Whaddya say?
How about be part of the solution, instead of the problem. And in my opinion, the MK Kommunity is a BIG part of the problems lately...
That's all for now.

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I think we have all be warned about posting Ponies and pictures in general in posts other than just talk and the MLP thread.
Not to be a nazi, I just dont want people infracted.
As far as the problems, Online is really laggy and slow and UMK3 has crashed on me more than once but other than that it's smooth.
Does anyone know if MK:AK has the hot fix updates like MK9?
 
half assed game is half assed
I expected problems, so not surprised but when I get ny fightstick I will rant about them
and sowy for posting ponies wont do it again
 
MKAK Problems that need to be fixed

Post any problems/glitches/bugs with MKAK that NEED to be fixed or some new features you would like to see.

I would like to see the CPU be fixed. Instead of just non-stop punching or being corner trapped.
Also I'm not very good at the game but MK2 CPU still seems slightly unfair.
 
Re: MKAK Problems that need to be fixed

Fix the freaking rerecord applause in mk1 on the courtyard!!, give us a option with a original or new.
 
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