n9195v
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Idk if it's possible but I was wondering if there is a way to ban someone from one section. But only if they attack people! It wouldn't happen if they're just miserable at debating.
Debate Section: Kill it or Save It
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Idk if it's possible but I was wondering if there is a way to ban someone from one section. But only if they attack people! It wouldn't happen if they're just miserable at debating.
Jade
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VB has an option to ban people from threads (not the entire forum, just a certain thread) and I mentioned it to Pat when this section originally went up but I believe Pat could not locate that option when he looked.
n9195v
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Damn. Can you guys spam rules before someone replies? Like when you hit reply the section rules pop up?
Jade
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I don't think that is an option :/
The best we can do, really, is enforce the rules in that particular section the way we did when we first put it up. People didn't like it but the rules are right there and everyone should be reading them and understanding why they are there. We aren't looking to get anyone, we just want that section to be as 'proper' as possible because it makes it easier to handle.
You guys see the stuff that happens in debates, but you get to just walk away. We have to deal with it and it isn't always pretty, lol.
The best we can do, really, is enforce the rules in that particular section the way we did when we first put it up. People didn't like it but the rules are right there and everyone should be reading them and understanding why they are there. We aren't looking to get anyone, we just want that section to be as 'proper' as possible because it makes it easier to handle.
You guys see the stuff that happens in debates, but you get to just walk away. We have to deal with it and it isn't always pretty, lol.
Jade
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If you guys vote for the section to stay:
~I will better clarify the rules with examples so you guys have a better understanding
~First offences will be a warning, an infraction if it happens again, and then a ban (not perma, unless it is necessary)
I hope people understand why the rules need to be so strict in that section.
If people already have warnings or infractions in that section from a while ago, don't worry about getting a ban next, we will start fresh. This doesn't mean your infraction will disappear, lol, just means you wont go to the next step, you will just start with a warning.
~I will better clarify the rules with examples so you guys have a better understanding
~First offences will be a warning, an infraction if it happens again, and then a ban (not perma, unless it is necessary)
I hope people understand why the rules need to be so strict in that section.
If people already have warnings or infractions in that section from a while ago, don't worry about getting a ban next, we will start fresh. This doesn't mean your infraction will disappear, lol, just means you wont go to the next step, you will just start with a warning.
Critical-Limit
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It shouldn't be looked at in that sense.
not trying to brag here but take me for example.
I do fairly well in Gameplay debate topics as I have quite a bit of experience.
however I do poorly in a debate about Overpopulation vs someone like Flagg who knows a lot about it. If Flagg shows me something I can't fight back. I stop arguing and just say "That's a good point."
It's more like, finding people who can debate correctly. IT's simple. you make a topic/subject, you try to back it up with evidence or even use analogies to try and get people to see it in a different light. And wait for a response. Don't let emotions take over, and respect their knowledge/values that are clashing with yours and try to understand their pov while expressing yours.
IF someone is doing horrible in one topic, but a god in another. That just means this person is actually a horrible debater, he's only a god in another one because he knows an incredible amount of information. if he's debating in threads he doesn't have good info on and he's being immature about it. He's a bad debater despite his contributions to a thread he knows a lot about.
I guess "PRoving grounds" Is a bit much as this site is a bit low-man these days. a simple "infraction" system is fine I suppose.
Jade if they are being just incredibly bad debaters almost on the point of being a troll (But they aren't), does that count against them? like if someone is ignoring evidence and just keeps spewing the same thing over and over again and doestn' respond to proper responses does that count against them?
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read posts before mine while I was typing this out.
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Love Cowboy
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sounds perfectly fair to me.
Freyith
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Being a good debater isn't about how well you're doing on a given topic, it is about how consistent you are in backing up your assertions with logic, evidence, reason, and detail.
Sky Valley
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wow, you guys sure are prone to ragequiting your forum ideas over the slightest things huh?
Keep it. I see no problem with how it is now. If someone is posting unrelated pics, or purposly being offensive, then yeah their posts should be removed, and the rest of us can go about posting in it like it's meant to be. Most people can handle others disagreeing with them on forums and act normal about it, and some cant. So you should favor the civilized, rather than letting the few crybabies ruin it by removing the section alltogether just because of them.
As for topics that you feel don't belong there, move it without making a big deal about it, Yeah someone might get mad if their shit is moved, but just cause a few people arent happy, doesnt mean the debate section is going wrong.
Keep it. I see no problem with how it is now. If someone is posting unrelated pics, or purposly being offensive, then yeah their posts should be removed, and the rest of us can go about posting in it like it's meant to be. Most people can handle others disagreeing with them on forums and act normal about it, and some cant. So you should favor the civilized, rather than letting the few crybabies ruin it by removing the section alltogether just because of them.
As for topics that you feel don't belong there, move it without making a big deal about it, Yeah someone might get mad if their shit is moved, but just cause a few people arent happy, doesnt mean the debate section is going wrong.
Jade
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You guys don't understand....it isn't 'the slightest things'. People are making it a collective headache because they can't simply debate without getting heated about it. Like I said, I have seen a side to some people I have never seen before and, frankly, didn't even think existed. There are a lot of things you guys don't see....private messages from people that would blow your mind, and other stuff we wont even get in to because it doesn't happen on TRMK.
We need the help of the members as well to keep a section a success. If people are going to be offended every single time people disagree with them, they shouldn't be there, but they keep going back. I've seen some pretty heavy gang ups on certain members because of their opinions. People need to chill and learn to respect each other and learn that not everyone has the same POV. It is up to us as individuals as to how we handle it. There is a right way and a wrong way to respond. No one has to agree on a subject at all but people need to construct their answers in a mature way instead of insulting people.
It's not so simple, lol.....you guys don't have to deal with the mess, you can just post and leave. The mods have to deal with the arguments and the complaints and the clean up. We have a lot of threads to read through in the entire forum. We can't catch every little thing that happens so we enlist you guys to help us by using the report button. Just the other day, I e-walked into a thread in which multiple people are bagging on each other and not one person used the report button.
We hand out infractions/warnings or move threads that don't really fit there and we get backlash from members throwing hissy fits and then the poison spreads because these people talk to their buddies and their buddies get in on it and then people start acting out in the forum to 'rebel' against a decision, and so on and so forth.
It's not just 'well, some dude is mad so he talks trash to the staff'. You would be surprised what people say and do when something doesn't go their way.
I can't speak for all the staff, though I am pretty sure their answer would be the same, but my inbox is always open for anyone who wants to talk. If you have an issue with someone or disagree with a decision any of us have made, absolutely feel free to PM your concerns. No one is going to get in any sort of trouble if they feel something was not handled properly. We post about every decision we make in the mod section so everyone is on the same page and everyone knows who to direct people to if a question arises. No one should be afraid to contact us. We are a pretty open group and I don't think anyone is 'scary'.
Well, maybe RIP
FlawlessVictor
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Cronyism can happen on any board though. I don't understand why the debate board needs to be singled out. If there is an outrage because a popular member receives disciplinary action, then it is a problem with the user-base over here, not the board itself.
TaBB3rnackle92
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The Dude voice: No way man, keep it.
Jade
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It isn't just that alone. That is something that came up and proved that people are confused about the section and how it is modded. Even after I explained things, people still didn't understand.
Most of this has to do with people just not being able to properly handle the section. People fight and no one reports it. Next thing you know, 10 people are involved.
Again, debates bring out the worst in people, even people who don't normally 'act out'. It is easier to be angry over someone dissing something you hold very personal to you. People see a debate section and suddenly think it is okay to be ignorant in it.
The other forum I mod, I also made a debate section there, though it is much better (behavior wise) than it is here...and the members there are mostly in their mid to late teens. We have people here in their late 20's who can barely handle being mature, and it is only happening with them in the debate section.
Seeing as to how this poll indicates so far the people want to keep it....just be clear that the rules are going to be super strict.
Critical-Limit
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I know this, I was stating that in a sense. That a person who's good in one thread and bad in another. I'm gonna have to say he's good only in that thread cuz he knows alot about it. I'm saying he's a bad debater if he's not consistent, cuz a good debater even in a forum they know nothing about will behave properly aka absorb knowledge/research instead of just throwing opinions.
I agree with you. don't see how you're correcting me.
^^^ how is this different than what you said?
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THE JOHNNY ROOK
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I think this debate section about keeping the debate section should be in the debate section.
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Flying Jinko
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Ill state the fact of the matter as I think quite simply. People should not insult (especially personal insults) each other whether in the debate section or any other section. Yes, engaging in debates tend to get heated and also can bring out the worst in people, but resorting to personal insults is stooping to an all low level of cheapness/immaturity. Its like giving a shot to the nuts in a professional martial arts match, when people feel they can't win and abandon all self respect they had for themselves just to get the final blow. I see the same happening in the debate sections over here, some people are just so hell bent in humiliating and ridiculing others without actually adding hardly much to the discussion at hand. I am a member of a professional leadership and debate club known as the Toastmasters club. I attend their debates (and sometimes participate in some) and never have I seen anyone resorting to insults of any kind. Even in more serious topics such as religion people share hearty laughs with each other during the debate and even after. No one turns into bitter enemies just because of disagreements in certain topics, that is just childish and stupid. It is mainly because of this I find it quite shocking when people insult others in the debate section here. All the at the club are adults (and even kids), leading normal lives like majority of the people here and are nothing special and yet they can engage in an enjoyable mature debate. I don't see why people can't do it here? Perhaps it is because it is the internet, people can type out all the slander they want behind the safety of their computer screens or perhaps they got issues in real and then stem their frustration out onto the forums here or perhaps they like the feeling of being 'in power' when they insult since they can't do it in real.
Perhaps if the rules are tightened up and enforced alot more strictly in the debate forum alot of these problems can be solved. Yes people will start complaining that this is a 'Nazi forum' and what not but it seems like the only way.
Also as far as the seriousness/importance of a topic is concerned I agree with Jade for the most part.Although certain debates can bring out good discussions it may not at the same time fit the debate mold which Jade wanted. Also at the same time there are debates such as the end of the world in 2012 which for me, fits the debate mold well since there are a lot of fine arguements for the subject which are supported more by conspiracy theories. But some people may not take this topic seriously (since because they may not believe in any conspiracy theories) but it does not mean it can't be a serious topic for discussion that fits the debate mold for others.
Perhaps if there is any ambiguity on if a topic should be included in the debate section or not, a poll could be set up for the same.
I say we keep the debate section, if many of the problems can be solved with stricter rules, it should be fine.
Perhaps if the rules are tightened up and enforced alot more strictly in the debate forum alot of these problems can be solved. Yes people will start complaining that this is a 'Nazi forum' and what not but it seems like the only way.
Also as far as the seriousness/importance of a topic is concerned I agree with Jade for the most part.Although certain debates can bring out good discussions it may not at the same time fit the debate mold which Jade wanted. Also at the same time there are debates such as the end of the world in 2012 which for me, fits the debate mold well since there are a lot of fine arguements for the subject which are supported more by conspiracy theories. But some people may not take this topic seriously (since because they may not believe in any conspiracy theories) but it does not mean it can't be a serious topic for discussion that fits the debate mold for others.
Perhaps if there is any ambiguity on if a topic should be included in the debate section or not, a poll could be set up for the same.
I say we keep the debate section, if many of the problems can be solved with stricter rules, it should be fine.
Freyith
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Sorry, I kind of misread what you said in a different part of your post. You weren't clear about what 'being horrible' and 'doing well' in a thread consisted of, so that kind of left it up to interpretation.
Armageddon
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I say Yes, becuase some topics, (Such as the "God" debate thread) people post postes that are really rude. I've found a lot of rude post about my religion. And I think what people say in one thread, effects them in any thread. But I like the debate thread, just not so serious topics.