Tarkatan Trash
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You say "fan service" like it's a bad thing.
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Commander
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Yup, but leave them out and people will riot NRS, cry and want Boon's head on a platter.
Nevermind that it doesn't make sense to have them in, NRS caters to the stupid "Waaaaaaaah, I want _____________ in or else no buy."
Too much fan service, IMO.
When too much fan service is given, then NRS is restricted in creativity and we get less awesome characters like Kotal Kahn, Ferra / Torr, D'Vorah, Erron Black, Cassie cage, Jacqui, Kung Jin or Takeda.
I'm still convinced that Ed's June 2014 E3 statement of "more characters than almost any MK game" was true, and somewhere in the production phase the fans b****ed and complained that they want ______________ in and 2 or 3 of those other new characters got cut.
It feels like there were more than 8 new characters planned, but NRS caved in.
Time_Bubbles
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Wanted to use Cassie but she just cannot compete with Scorpion, Liu Kang, or even Mileena.
Either she's too slow or her combos aren't safe enough. Heck, Liu Kang demolishes her in melee and in zoning.
Well, that one Ron character was cut completely it seems and Kano's ending revealed a son so...
Either she's too slow or her combos aren't safe enough. Heck, Liu Kang demolishes her in melee and in zoning.
Well, that one Ron character was cut completely it seems and Kano's ending revealed a son so...
Yellow Ledbetter
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When MKX was announced, I had clear in my mind that I didn't want dead characters back, for the sake of the story, the most important thing for me.
When Kung Lao was announced, I was a little upset. But I mentioned here I would wait to fulfill any disappointment.
Then came Kitana, very cool, I loved her. And I saw that people could be revived some way, reinforcing the idea of Sub-Zero too, at that time, identity unknown.
Then the comic was clear about some characters coming back. Completely fine. With a good explanation.
What I was annoyed is that, I really don't think "fan service" is bad, but they included resurrected versions of characters when they were never brought back to life.
While Kung Lao is cool, only because of an ending, Liu Kang, IMO, is ridiculous with that old outfit (the young is SICK and Emperor is badass) and Kitana, while looking fine, looked so unnecessary without being Empress/Revenant.
The problem of that is that they acted just like common NPCs (notice that, between them and Sindel there is no difference), they could have been announced and developed in a darker way (I mean, why put them as "what if he/she survived MK9, and they say that, check Kung Lao's koncept) and they didn't add, IMO, much in terms of GAMEPLAY INSIDE THE STORY.
Ok, people wanna play? I'd rather have them as dark revenants and past versions. Even Jax, who people complain a lot, was more useful on the story and was more logically used.
I know this is pretty aesthetic, since I'm saying that if Liu Kang came as revenant, and not an old scam, he would be more useful, but even his inclusion, if not on the original, is arguable when he and the others appears just to be there.
I look through the eyes of the storyline, because, people deny its importance or not, it can decide who is in the game or not.
When Kung Lao was announced, I was a little upset. But I mentioned here I would wait to fulfill any disappointment.
Then came Kitana, very cool, I loved her. And I saw that people could be revived some way, reinforcing the idea of Sub-Zero too, at that time, identity unknown.
Then the comic was clear about some characters coming back. Completely fine. With a good explanation.
What I was annoyed is that, I really don't think "fan service" is bad, but they included resurrected versions of characters when they were never brought back to life.
While Kung Lao is cool, only because of an ending, Liu Kang, IMO, is ridiculous with that old outfit (the young is SICK and Emperor is badass) and Kitana, while looking fine, looked so unnecessary without being Empress/Revenant.
The problem of that is that they acted just like common NPCs (notice that, between them and Sindel there is no difference), they could have been announced and developed in a darker way (I mean, why put them as "what if he/she survived MK9, and they say that, check Kung Lao's koncept) and they didn't add, IMO, much in terms of GAMEPLAY INSIDE THE STORY.
Ok, people wanna play? I'd rather have them as dark revenants and past versions. Even Jax, who people complain a lot, was more useful on the story and was more logically used.
I know this is pretty aesthetic, since I'm saying that if Liu Kang came as revenant, and not an old scam, he would be more useful, but even his inclusion, if not on the original, is arguable when he and the others appears just to be there.
I look through the eyes of the storyline, because, people deny its importance or not, it can decide who is in the game or not.
Raiden's Hat
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That's right. Fan service is a detriment to creativity and most of the time overall quality.
Disregarding the canon of your fiction for the sake of pleasing fans is pathetic imo.
RTC
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Just started to download the game from Steam, and it's likely (providing he's not radically different from MK9) that I'll be maining Ermac again. Something I look for in a character is a strong ability to zone, whilst also being able to hold their own in a close fight. Erron Black is also pretty interesting, kind of a combination of the Man with No Name from the Dollars Trilogy and a bounty hunter from Star Wars, as well as supposedly having good zoning credentials.
Raiden's Hat
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A million times this.
It's even worse when they cater to the tournament players. Ugh. Yeah, because they specifically need Kung Lao and Kitana.
Tarkatan Trash
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But who's buying the game in the first place? Reading teachers, or Mortal Kombat fans?
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Raiden's Hat
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Trash analogy. As if to imply that MK fans don't care about canon or lore.
Tarkatan Trash
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I got one of my favorites back, so what do I care about anyone else's stance on who should stay dead?
And Scorpion has been dead since day 1. Did that stop him from being the star of MK?
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Raiden's Hat
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that's kinda the point though. The undead guy role is filled. Having 3 more on the roster is beyond redundant.
Tarkatan Trash
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The same standards should apply to everyone else. Either EVERYONE can come back or NOBODY can. And that includes Scorpion in both cases.
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theincubuslord
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It's more like, everyone has a chance to return, however, some are more likely than others. Scorpion is very likely to return no matter what, but someone like Hsu Hao isn't.
p.W
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We're not talking about disregarding canon, though. Liu Kang and Kitana had to be in the story no matter what to set up their obviously huge role in MK11. We're only talking about whether it was right to make them playable, and this is no black-and-white matter.
Revenants have been playable in previous MK titles (see Scorpion, Noob Saibot in MK9), so there is plenty of precedent for NRS's decision. You might disagree with it, but you can't say that it was "wrong."
MK9 had three evil sorcerers: Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Ermac. Three Shokan: Goro, Kintaro, Sheeva. Two revenants: Scorpion, Sub-Zero. Two Shaolin warriors: Liu Kang, Kung Lao.
MKX has 5 lackeys for Kotal Kahn: Erron, Ermac, Reptile, Ferra/Torr, D'Vorah. Quan Chi needs lackeys too.
BBBLP
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That isn't why those two characters came back. They returned because they were popular with fans.
If NRS chose their characters based on tournament choice (which makes no sense because most Tournament players aren't character loyalists) then Kabal and Cyrax would have been the first characters revealed.
Raiden's Hat
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they shouldn't have been playable. That's obviously my opinion on the matter.
Noob and Scorp were not "revenants" of the same sort. Kang, Lao and Kitana all have orange/green eyes and veins. Shang Tsung and Quan Chi serve different masters and Ermac is a lackey with some telepathic/telekinetic capabilities. Goro and Kintaro didn't take up spots on the playable roster. 2 shaolin warriors is fine , and was to be expected considering it was a retelling/reboot of the MK Trilogy timeline. Did we really need 3 in MKX (2 of them zombies)? And as I've been saying, the redundancy is the problem. Variety is a good thing. Your response to that sentiment is: "so what? This character and that character were sort of like that." I guess we'll agree to disagree.
And yes, we are talking about disregarding canon when they market Kang, Lao, and Kitana as human characters with their natural selves as defaults on the select screen.
Imperatrix Sindel
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That was obviously to avoid spoiling story mode, though -- and it worked beautifully. We all thought Liu, Lao and Kitana were going to be resurrected like Sub-Zero and Jax. They fooled us!