Raiden's Hat
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It's exactly what's happening. Liu Kang's default skin is no more canon than Mileena in a lifesize bday cake.
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Vigilante_FireDragon
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Damn!! Going way off the topic cuz of one issue, that is now going into an argument.
Anyways, since I'm sticking with both Scorpion (both Hellfire and Ninjutsu) and Jacqui (Shotgun mostly, but doing a bit of her other two variations).....I thought about still learning about Kotal's Sun God variation, as determined by others to be the most underused variaiton, but I like it for the fact that IT IS a bar-filling variation (either the super meter or the health meter when using the enhanced one), when properly knowing the right time to use it after glowing from the Choke and Slam special grab, along with the sun ray special.
Anyways, since I'm sticking with both Scorpion (both Hellfire and Ninjutsu) and Jacqui (Shotgun mostly, but doing a bit of her other two variations).....I thought about still learning about Kotal's Sun God variation, as determined by others to be the most underused variaiton, but I like it for the fact that IT IS a bar-filling variation (either the super meter or the health meter when using the enhanced one), when properly knowing the right time to use it after glowing from the Choke and Slam special grab, along with the sun ray special.
Yellow Ledbetter
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Because at the least they existed. Old Liu Kang doesn't exist and it was a marketing scam.
I see no problem of this tag team, it's just fun using existing characters that exist in the story/lore. But, IMO, having this old non existent character, who should be an evil more developed character instead of an old scam to please the crowds (don't know how), it's complete BS for me.
It's cool, I won't deny, but, if it was a younger version, would be fine, but it's a "what if" when there is no what if, Liu Kang is not only dead as he is the ruler of the Netherrealm.
As said above, marketing scam. I'd rather have a developed evil Liu kang than an useless, non existing old version of his.
Completely agree with this sentiment. This game is not a serious fighting game. The mechanics are sluggish and actually prevent certain basic tactics, like forward dash blocking to bait and punish, and dash cancels. Wake-up game is virtually non-existent, and completely imbalanced frame recovery rewards mindless rushdowns and button spamming, with a snowflake's chance in hell for slower characters to effectively defend and counter or escape. This makes certain characters BROKEN AND OP AS F@#$... *cough* Cassie Cage *cough* (don't even get me started on Kitana)... Characters like Quan Chi and Ferra/Torr are handicapped by default, as a result.
I wanted to play this game competitvely, but its design is not conducive towards serious play, unlike SF/Tekken. Sadly, from its inception, this game has been relegated to a social party game you play with friends and kick back some beers with. MK is like that girl you keep around because she's freaky and fun, but wouldn't deal with any of her bullshit i.e., not a serious relationship.
I mained him until I realized he's your b@#$h once you close distance and repeatedly skullf@#$ the brains out of him. Not to mention (oh wait, I think I did) his frame recovery is crap. F@#$ing.. Dhalsim's special move frame recovery is faster than this guy.
In any event, please don't get butthurt over some simple truths. I like the game. I'd just never play it for stakes.
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Yellow Ledbetter
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theincubuslord
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Ironic, considering Johnny wins and Shinnok loses that battle.
Yellow Ledbetter
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Tarkatan Trash
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Kitana is NOT broken. She's only broken in your imagination.
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p.W
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Don't start with that. I don't have a low enough opinion of your intelligence to buy for one second that you can't tell the difference between "not canon" and "retarded."
Tell me rather: why is it OK for a character to have non-canon outfits like MK9 Klassic Reptile/Scorpion/Sub-Zero and MKX Motherland Sonya/Vampiress Mileena/Blue Steel Sub-Zero, but it's not OK for that outfit to be their primary costume? In what great rulebook of fighting game outfits does it say that non-canon outfits are perfectly fine, but only as alternates?
Why do you have to put such a negative spin on it? Sure, you could see it as a marketing scam. Or you could see it as a clever plot twist by NRS, to make us expect one thing from the story, when in fact we're getting something completely different.
Fun for me is seeing Liu Kang be Liu Kang and Kitana be Kitana, instead of being mindless zombies as they were under Quan Chi's thrall. So is that all your argument comes down to - personal preference? You would prefer one thing, I would prefer another, NRS has to choose one of us and they chose me?
Yellow Ledbetter
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Because I hate non canon BS that is put as truth, and this is much more, that was pure marketing.
It's not a plot twist, because it's not inside the plot.
The fact he ended as ruler of NR could be considered a plot twist, while him, being old, is nothing more than a scam.
They were not mindless zombies, they just didn't have free will, but they weren't any Racoon City infected.
And that's exactly the point: they are not Liu Kang and Kitana we always knew. They are different evil characters.
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It comes to personal preference the same way your opinion does. I'm not saying the game is trash, not even Liu kang's inclusion is trash, I love the game.
I'm just saying that for me it was a marketing scam and a useless non canon BS, I would prefer him to have a younger version (for flashback), revenant version (for present) and an Emperor version (for the ending/future) instead of an idiotic appearance of something that never happened as his default.
p.W
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Where does your strong opinion on this come from? It sounds like you've been dealing with some very untrustworthy authors/franchises in the past, and that -- IMO -- is making you see NRS's decision, which may be innocent and well-intentioned, in a very negative light.
That's perfectly fine. As long as this is just your opinion vs. my opinion, then there is no right or wrong, and that has been my position all along. The way select screens worked in MK9 was not right or wrong, and the way select screens work (differently) in MKX is not right or wrong, both simply are and we have to make our peace with it.
Yes, I was wrong about Kitana (she's just annoying). It doesn't, however, invalidate everything else I mentioned.
Yellow Ledbetter
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Exactly, there is no wrong or right. I just feel uncomfortable with these non canon things that I consider unnecessary.
I'm completely ok with those who like to play with a survivor Liu Kang, and I also think that people deserve to have the fun they want to have.
But, for me, since I'm a story guy, I found this survivor appearance BS.
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Well, this opinion came from the game itself.
When I saw Liu Kang, Kung Lao and Kitana alive, I was ok, because we knew some would be revived.
But you finish the game and you know this is not what happened. So, I question myself, why?
And one of your statements mirror a little bit what NRS could have thought.
Would Kitana, Kung Lao and Liu Kang fans like their primary characters the way they really are - revenants?
Let's pick up Sub-Zero. He is alive on the screen, but he was at the least revived. Everybody on the screen is depicted on the late 25's, but those three go beyond reasonable .
NRS was defensive, I don't think - thought I have any konfirmation of this, but it's what I feel - they felt secure to put them on their original forms, as they weren't secure enough to put them as, maybe DLC. At the least Kitana and Liu Kang (let's say Kung Lao does come back with Kung Jin's help).
Now, let's question their inclusion. I like that they are in. But on the story, they were as important as Sindel and Baraka. It's obvious that they were included because of fans (whether it's good or not, that's another subject). But I think they could have been included as playable respecting canon, and not a bad "what if" excuses.
There is no what if. They never made it. At the least put them as revenants, so they could work on their evil beings, new villains.
It's like on "MK11" we got old Liu Kang again and until "MK12" he's still ruler of the Netherrealm. Makes no sense.
In the end, Cassie has beaten Shinnok, not Scorpion, who is on the cover. That's the real cover. Liu kang alive, but he is not alive. You just discover that at the very ending.
I can't see other way that it's not marketing.
Last_Starfighta
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Just close this thread. This thread has lost it's purpose.
Taj Gill
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I'll give it a chance to get back on topic, if it doesn't, I'll hand out infractions and the offenders could be banned. So its a win win, let the thread go back on topic, or continue to be imbeciles and get banned and the rest of the forum will be well off. Take your pick people.
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