Is it still scrubby to use Kung Lao?
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FlawlessVictor
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That usually produces a jack-of-all-trades, who isn't likely to fare favorably against a player who is really good with a handful of characters. Some may possess enough knowledge of every character in order to understand match-ups, but I doubt there is anybody that can say they mastered every character. It's a lot of time and effort as it is to devote into one or two characters, let alone the entire roster.
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AMES32
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so true i play kano and kratos and it's hard for me not to want pick baraka or kaball I say use who u want it should not matter what others think if u get good with a fighter use him/her to the best of ur ability.
people will b**** even if u beat them with the most shity fighter's so it really don't matter who u use u'll get the same amount of cry baby d-bags if u beat someone with sheeva.
pick who u want.
Eks
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I don't mean that people should master the entire cast, but that learning to be proficient or better with everyone (while focusing on a few) has always been the goal of hardcore players.
popnlocker
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There is nothing wrong with Kung lao. Yea everyone will get a lil annoyed with his shoryuken like spin. But it is punishable. If you bait it which I do, then I punish. He's a balanced character like Johnny cage. Has alot of tools to play them how you want. Close rang, zoning. He's a good character and no I don't main him I play him sometimes though. I would say I main cyrax and sector. But besides them I can play scorp Kung subby sindel ermac reptile kitana Johnny cage jade noob smoke jax tryin to learn striker tsung kabal radien csz quan chi kratos scarlet kenshi lol so there's no bias here 
Flagg
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Out of interest, how many characters do you think its possible to "master", that is, play at a fairly high level?
I think I have a fairly good grasp of Jade and Nightwolf now, of course there is always room for improvement, but I feel much, much more confident using them then say, my two other "works in progress", Sheeva and Sindel.
I think I have a fairly good grasp of Jade and Nightwolf now, of course there is always room for improvement, but I feel much, much more confident using them then say, my two other "works in progress", Sheeva and Sindel.
popnlocker
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I think it just depends on how quickly u can pick up the combos and how the character plays and get comfortable with the character then it won't be so difficult. When I play now I just hit random and go for there since I play 20 some odd chars it's always good practice
Eks
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I'd guess that most people could probably master 4-5 after a lot (like a year or more) of experience with the game. You gotta remember that this game is still an infant to people will be playing it for the next decade or more. With over 20 characters, you'll be lucky to be proficient with half of them, especially when some of them are deliberately neutered like Sheeva.
Kori Lung
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There is nothing wrong with Kung lao. Yea everyone will get a lil annoyed with his shoryuken like spin. But it is punishable. If you bait it which I do, then I punish. He's a balanced character like Johnny cage. Has alot of tools to play them how you want. Close rang, zoning. He's a good character and no I don't main him I play him sometimes though. I would say I main cyrax and sector. But besides them I can play scorp Kung subby sindel ermac reptile kitana Johnny cage jade noob smoke jax tryin to learn striker tsung kabal radien csz quan chi kratos scarlet kenshi lol so there's no bias here
yes he is easy to fake out, with sub zero i jump, and when the spin comes, i ice clone and beat the crap out of kung lao and it makes it harder for the kung lao player to see what he should do next
Flagg
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You really think she is that bad? Her combos are pretty simple but extremely powerful. One ex fireball does 15% damage on it's own. Her low grab, into 1,2,b2, walking grab does something like 35% damage. Her Ex walking grab has super armour. Yeah I find you have to be patient using her, but when she gets the chance to punish, the other guy really knows it.
FlawlessVictor
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It's not about how many characters you can use, it's how effectively can they be used. It helps to have a fairly good understanding of what each character is capable of and how it affects match-ups with your chosen mains, but the need to be proficient with every character is not a requirement.
Man Eater
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I don't give a f*ck what anyone says. With the moveset and special moves he has, he is still very overpowered.
I personally think if they left his spin like it is now and took out his stupid dive kick, it wouldn't be as bad.
I find it hard to fight him without a teleporter. To close that distance is annoying as hell, especially with the low hat spam and when you try to avoid it, dive kicked. He can attack into his x-ray and out of it. I don't know, I usually tell people play who you want to play BUT if you have the mental ability to play this game very well, why play a character that is and always has been considered OP? Pick a "low tier" character and impress people, not waste it on Dung Lao
All my opinion still. And I'm not afraid to say I have a lot of problems fighting him.
I personally think if they left his spin like it is now and took out his stupid dive kick, it wouldn't be as bad.
I find it hard to fight him without a teleporter. To close that distance is annoying as hell, especially with the low hat spam and when you try to avoid it, dive kicked. He can attack into his x-ray and out of it. I don't know, I usually tell people play who you want to play BUT if you have the mental ability to play this game very well, why play a character that is and always has been considered OP? Pick a "low tier" character and impress people, not waste it on Dung Lao
All my opinion still. And I'm not afraid to say I have a lot of problems fighting him.
smoke1ne
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KL is op hes too fast his ground hat needs more recovery frames... his spin is not really all that slower from what ive been experiencing and he has a frame trap with ground hat that is just retarded how should anyone be ab;le to frame trap with a low hitting special linked at the end of your combo?
He is Op. He has all the right tools and speed to dominate any matchup. If you dont think this is op then I dunno what is because KL seems to be a tier of his own.
He is Op. He has all the right tools and speed to dominate any matchup. If you dont think this is op then I dunno what is because KL seems to be a tier of his own.
aedanwolfe
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I see no problem with people picking lao. I have more issues vs raiden online. His ground hat I've never had a problem with. His divekicks I've readily punished. His ex tele catches me a lot tho...damn armor. His spin keeps me from rushing him...anyone who rushes a lot alnways has trouble with him. People need to lrn2play
I don't think it's scrubby to use any character if he or she is your favorite. If you want to use them, use them. To me it's when I beat someone a few times in a row, and THEN they decide to go to Kung or Raiden. I guess it could mean Kung or Raiden are their mains and they were just using their alternates, but c'mon.
Man Eater
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Lmao go talk to Back Back Back Low Punch and Reptile 0009. I'm no scrub so you shouldn't assume sh*t.
I stated that I have problems fighting Lao and I sure as hell wasn't afraid to say that. Everyone has atleast one combatant that they aren't good against and mine happens to be Lao.
Jade
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aedanwolfe
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yes but having trouble doesnt mean the char is unbalanced.
lao is powerful, but i do not see him as unbalanced.
there is a lot of factors from personal to functional. some of the msot common is being unaware of the chars moves properties (personal) or your main is a poor matchup vs said char (functional)
and to be fair, you complain about chars a LOT...just saying, constructive gets more done then whining. but to each there own.
3mag5num7
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I've heard both of those guys say you've got skill in this game. I also agree that everyone has a problem match-up (mine's Jade). My only problem with what you say is your claim that Kung Lao is overpowered. He's your bad match-up and that's fine but that doesn't mean he's overpowered. He's been nerfed a number of times. His Spin is very punishable now (not that it ever wasn't punishable, it just took a bit of work/timing), he has no infinites (at least none that have been discovered), and with the regularity many people are coming across him the details of his match-ups are well known. He's still a very strong character, but he is totally beatable. I still haven't figured out how to beat a good Jade, but I know that problem is mine to figure out.
Sorry if you feel like I'm calling you out (that's really now my intention), it just seems like you're crediting his status as "OP" to the fact that you can't figure him out. Understandable considering how many other people have yet to figure him out and some of them are very vocal about their difficulty, but none of that means he's overpowered. That just means a number of people haven't put in the time or just haven't found the right way to go about it.
Again, it's not that I'm trying to say you're a whiny little baby. However, it is natural to place blame rather than really dig into the source of the problem. Especially when you find so much external reassurance about the supposed source of the problem lol.
One thing I'll recommend, to make this post as constructive as possible, is for those having trouble with Kung Lao (or any character really) is to take that character into the lab and figure out what makes them tick. Check out his character thread here and the Kung Lao forum on Test Your Might and any MK guides you maybe have access to. Learn more about him because in doing so you'll learn more about his counters. I've heard this from a number of high level players in a number of games (such as Tom Brady, Justin Wong, etc) and it's worked for me of late. =)