Is it still scrubby to use Kung Lao?

[Voncroy]

My worst match-up is Kabal LOL My main is Nightwolf and I can say I have a pretty solid Nightwolf, but Kabal somehow just buggs me. Jade however is generally """easy""" for me, since Nightwolf can counter most of her specials and combos. I find her better than Kabal actually, but I don't know, Kabal just... annoys me LOL

I don't think Kung Lao is op, but he's still not as punishable as some people want it to look like. I'd say he's still punishable, but barely, you have to be extremely fast to punish him, but it's still works though. My problem is that he has absolutely NO weaknesses. Rush down characters die facing Kung Lao, zonners will have a hard time since Kung Lao can zone pretty well himself and he can attack with dive kick and even teleporters will have a hard time themselves not to be caught in his spin. Not to mention Kung Lao's own teleport which has a lot of options to choose from.

 

[yautjared]

personally, I admire people that don't complain about "who" they're facing against in MK 2011 .... kind of, pick your favourite character, let your opponent choose whoever he wants, and try to put a hell of good fight, and so, if you win, that's good, if not, so, you can try again until win ......

This way, Kung Lao will never be a problem.

 

[Flagg]

My worst match-up is Kabal LOL My main is Nightwolf and I can say I have a pretty solid Nightwolf, but Kabal somehow just buggs me. Jade however is generally """easy""" for me, since Nightwolf can counter most of her specials and combos. I find her better than Kabal actually, but I don't know, Kabal just... annoys me LOL

I don't think Kung Lao is op, but he's still not as punishable as some people want it to look like. I'd say he's still punishable, but barely, you have to be extremely fast to punish him, but it's still works though. My problem is that he has absolutely NO weaknesses. Rush down characters die facing Kung Lao, zonners will have a hard time since Kung Lao can zone pretty well himself and he can attack with dive kick and even teleporters will have a hard time themselves not to be caught in his spin. Not to mention Kung Lao's own teleport which has a lot of options to choose from.

As a Nightwolf player I also agree. Kung Lao is a beast in this game, but I find NW is quite a good counter to him.

 

[Man Eater]

I've heard both of those guys say you've got skill in this game. I also agree that everyone has a problem match-up (mine's Jade). My only problem with what you say is your claim that Kung Lao is overpowered. He's your bad match-up and that's fine but that doesn't mean he's overpowered. He's been nerfed a number of times. His Spin is very punishable now (not that it ever wasn't punishable, it just took a bit of work/timing), he has no infinites (at least none that have been discovered), and with the regularity many people are coming across him the details of his match-ups are well known. He's still a very strong character, but he is totally beatable. I still haven't figured out how to beat a good Jade, but I know that problem is mine to figure out.

Sorry if you feel like I'm calling you out (that's really now my intention), it just seems like you're crediting his status as "OP" to the fact that you can't figure him out. Understandable considering how many other people have yet to figure him out and some of them are very vocal about their difficulty, but none of that means he's overpowered. That just means a number of people haven't put in the time or just haven't found the right way to go about it.

Again, it's not that I'm trying to say you're a whiny little baby. However, it is natural to place blame rather than really dig into the source of the problem. Especially when you find so much external reassurance about the supposed source of the problem lol.

One thing I'll recommend, to make this post as constructive as possible, is for those having trouble with Kung Lao (or any character really) is to take that character into the lab and figure out what makes them tick. Check out his character thread here and the Kung Lao forum on Test Your Might and any MK guides you maybe have access to. Learn more about him because in doing so you'll learn more about his counters. I've heard this from a number of high level players in a number of games (such as Tom Brady, Justin Wong, etc) and it's worked for me of late. =)

It's better than calling me a scrub lol. I do have problems fighting him, but it's not because I can't beat him. I just find that he has every tool for every match up and I find that wrong. Maybe it's because I play Sindel the majority of battles but I still find it blah that he does. I do fall for the same thing a lot. Thanks for the tip, hope it works out!

 

[Commander]

Kung Lao is my favorite character out of all of the males, and partly the reason why I bought the game. But since everyone says he is OP I feel that using him is like commiting a crime.. If I at least try him online will that still make me a scrub?

Use whoever you want.
This is MK.

If people haven't been able to beat "spam" Kung Lao's, it's because they haven't put enough effort into defensive strategies against it.
I'm sick and tired of people blaming this character or that character for their failures.
If you get you ass whopped by someone's Kung Lao, FIND a strategy to defeat it.
GET BETTER!!!!

 

[3mag5num7]

It's better than calling me a scrub lol. I do have problems fighting him, but it's not because I can't beat him. I just find that he has every tool for every match up and I find that wrong. Maybe it's because I play Sindel the majority of battles but I still find it blah that he does. I do fall for the same thing a lot. Thanks for the tip, hope it works out!

At least you're working on figuring that match-up out lol. I disagree with you're assessment of Kung Lao being OP, but you don't seem like you're just crying so I can respect it. Hopefully you'll find some good strategies against Lao.

PS - Thanks for not just blasting me. Maturity is nice to see online. =)

 

[Man Eater]

At least you're working on figuring that match-up out lol. I disagree with you're assessment of Kung Lao being OP, but you don't seem like you're just crying so I can respect it. Hopefully you'll find some good strategies against Lao.

PS - Thanks for not just blasting me. Maturity is nice to see online. =)

Lol I try not to get defensive. I have a problem of that but working on it. I just wish people were more constructive like you. Offering tips and hints goes a long way then just saying "get better".

 

[Flagg]

I played a very scrubby Kung Lao today as Sheeva.

Before I continue, im not saying that KL is scrubby, but a scrub can use any character.

So he was boasting in the lobby, "im invinceable, blah, blah".

So I pick Sheeva. All he does is stand at the other end of the screen, ducking, spamming hats, using spin if I teleport or using teleport if I attempt to get in close.

So second round I start ground stomping. Predictably he teleports, i just duck and uppercut. He also didnt realise you cant duck Sheevas EX Fireballs, which do a cool 15% damage. He rage quit and informed me "he still won".

 

[Man Eater]

I played a very scrubby Kung Lao today as Sheeva.

Before I continue, im not saying that KL is scrubby, but a scrub can use any character.

So he was boasting in the lobby, "im invinceable, blah, blah".

So I pick Sheeva. All he does is stand at the other end of the screen, ducking, spamming hats, using spin if I teleport or using teleport if I attempt to get in close.

So second round I start ground stomping. Predictably he teleports, i just duck and uppercut. He also didnt realise you cant duck Sheevas EX Fireballs, which do a cool 15% damage. He rage quit and informed me "he still won".

I hate people that think they are awesome for turtling. Turtling is for pussys lol He has the speed to beat Sheeva already

 

[Jade]

personally, I admire people that don't complain about "who" they're facing against in MK 2011 .... kind of, pick your favourite character, let your opponent choose whoever he wants, and try to put a hell of good fight, and so, if you win, that's good, if not, so, you can try again until win ......

This way, Kung Lao will never be a problem.

Agreed. Quite lame when people get upset and quit just because of who the opponent picks....I get that it can be boring to fight the same character over and over and over again but I personally don't care...just as long as people want to play, that's cool. Don't care who they pick.

 

[kingbigums]

i dont really see any character as scrubby some people have used for years i love stryker and johnny cage

 

[Nyght87]

I hate people that think they are awesome for turtling. Turtling is for pussys lol He has the speed to beat Sheeva already

I really don't want to think of you as a noob or a scrub but with statements like that you make it really hard :x If there is one type of person anyone should be able to beat with ease is someone that just sits and blocks. Though I find your response to Flagg interesting as what he was describing doesn't sound like turtling, sounds more like zoning. You don't think zoning is for pussies too do you?

 

[jbell0129]

I really don't want to think of you as a noob or a scrub but with statements like that you make it really hard :x If there is one type of person anyone should be able to beat with ease is someone that just sits and blocks. Though I find your response to Flagg interesting as what he was describing doesn't sound like turtling, sounds more like zoning. You don't think zoning is for pussies too do you?

I actually dont think zoning is for wusses. I think its pretty smart. I just hate when people take advantage to the point where the game isnt fun, like the spamming. I never had a problem with someone who sits and blocks either. there are ways of landing hits while someone is blocking. if you want to sit and block ill just throw you.

 

[Flagg]

I really don't want to think of you as a noob or a scrub but with statements like that you make it really hard :x If there is one type of person anyone should be able to beat with ease is someone that just sits and blocks. Though I find your response to Flagg interesting as what he was describing doesn't sound like turtling, sounds more like zoning. You don't think zoning is for pussies too do you?

I know the difference between Zoning and Turtling. A Zoner effectively applies constant pressure from a distance. This guy literally sat there ducking, occasionally throwing a hat or teleport out of harms way if I rushed in.

SOme people have a turtle mentality regardless of who they use. I face a guy that played the three girls, Kitana, Mileena and Jade. Now this guy would attack, get a HP advantage and literally run away with me chasing him everywhere. If that's supposed "zoning as well" then I guess I got zoned but i dont think it is, and I think it's just turtling.