Steve Jobs - dead at 56

Tim Berners-Lee did some of the initial programming for what became the world wide web on a NeXT computer, which is the company Steve Jobs created in between stints at Apple. Use the web, like we all are now? It's in part due to what Steve created. That's what people in here are talking about. It's not all about Macs and IPhones and iPads.

No, Steve Jobs didn't invent the actual device known as a computer. What he did was design products that made the computer something that people could have in their houses and not just a business device that filled up a whole room. Just like Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, he made it possible for everyone to have one.

Also, TRMK itself wouldn't exist (as least not as long as it has) without Steve. Don't forget the Bossman's day job is an app designer.
 
Tim Berners-Lee did some of the initial programming for what became the world wide web on a NeXT computer, which is the company Steve Jobs created in between stints at Apple. Use the web, like we all are now? It's in part due to what Steve created. That's what people in here are talking about. It's not all about Macs and IPhones and iPads.

No, Steve Jobs didn't invent the actual device known as a computer. What he did was design products that made the computer something that people could have in their houses and not just a business device that filled up a whole room. Just like Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, he made it possible for everyone to have one.

Also, TRMK itself wouldn't exist (as least not as long as it has) without Steve. Don't forget the Bossman's day job is an app designer.


I see technology, much like I see evolution. If something happens, it was always going to happen at some point. To suggest that the internet may never have existed without SJ's company is a huge statement. I believe that it would have appeared, in one format or another. It's like the speed of light. If it's meant to be broken (which it just has), then it was always meant to happen. Whether that was now, 500 years from now, or 500 years in the past, it would have happened.

And no, the recent speed of light broken at CERN had nothing to do with SJ's either! :P

EDIT: Here is my take on Steve Jobs, and Apple.

None of Apple's ideas are original, and yet Steve Jobs was the man who could sell it to people.

The man was a marketing genius, but that was it.
 
@Flagg:
If that's your logic, then you shouldn't have a special respect for anyone that does anything extraordinary, but I seriously doubt you feel this way about people like Darwin, Einstein, etc.
 
Tim Berners-Lee did some of the initial programming for what became the world wide web on a NeXT computer, which is the company Steve Jobs created in between stints at Apple. Use the web, like we all are now? It's in part due to what Steve created. That's what people in here are talking about. It's not all about Macs and IPhones and iPads.

No, Steve Jobs didn't invent the actual device known as a computer. What he did was design products that made the computer something that people could have in their houses and not just a business device that filled up a whole room. Just like Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, he made it possible for everyone to have one.

Also, TRMK itself wouldn't exist (as least not as long as it has) without Steve. Don't forget the Bossman's day job is an app designer.

sek, please stop.

You're seeking to come up with remote, tenuous links to give the man credit for things that he simply wasn't responsible for. By your logic, the people responsible for first harnessing electricity are responsible for the Internet because they allowed people like Berners-Lee to plug devices in and work on them.

Without them, we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation now. What's the difference between that and what you say about Jobs?

Jobs existed and worked for a company that sold things - lots of things. Lots of his products were used in the home and the office. That being the case, you could find a link between him and virtually everything in the modern world if you looked hard enough.

Just like you could do with every other business person and company that has ever existed.

As Flagg said, Jobs' expertise and real contribution was simply as a marketing man. Managing to sell over-priced, mediocre technology to designer types and people afflicted with the 'must have that cool looking gadget' mentality.

And for the record, once again, the Apple 1 was NOT the first PC. The aforementioned Altair 8800 for example was just a box, not something that 'filled up an entire room' and it came out before the Apple 1 and sold 10 times more in the first month than the Apple 1 ever sold in its entire lifetime.
 
sek, please stop.

You're seeking to come up with remote, tenuous links to give the man credit for things that he simply wasn't responsible for. By your logic, the people responsible for first harnessing electricity are responsible for the Internet because they allowed people like Berners-Lee to plug devices in and work on them.

Without them, we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation now. What's the difference between that and what you say about Jobs?

Jobs existed and worked for a company that sold things - lots of things. Lots of his products were used in the home and the office. That being the case, you could find a link between him and virtually everything in the modern world if you looked hard enough.

Just like you could do with every other business person and company that has ever existed.

As Flagg said, Jobs' expertise and real contribution was simply as a marketing man. Managing to sell over-priced, mediocre technology to designer types and people afflicted with the 'must have that cool looking gadget' mentality.

And for the record, once again, the Apple 1 was NOT the first PC. The aforementioned Altair 8800 for example was just a box, not something that 'filled up an entire room' and it came out before the Apple 1 and sold 10 times more in the first month than the Apple 1 ever sold in its entire lifetime.

This. The man was a very good business person, with questionable morales. But he was hardly the pioneer, visionary and pioneer that many think he was.
 
People are perfectly entitled to pay their respects.

However, people are not entitled to come on here and call other people 'idiots' or try and force other people who live in the real world to think that Steve Jobs or Apple did things they didn't. So take your Apple fanboy mentality and go away until you learn respect for others.

Lol, ever since I started posting again on the site after a long hiatus, I was waiting for the first person to jump down my throat on a post I made, and wow, its only been three hours and it begins.

First of all, I obviously do think that people have a right to an opinion, and not one post on this site was talking about how PC users do not like Macs, I was making a general statement towards people I know in PERSON, and not on a forum. Second of all, it was a general stab at humour, my heart will not explode if people do not like a Mac, so I dont know why you have your panties in a bunch. Stop taking stuff so seriously and maybe you will have a better life, and do not tell me to "go away" because I have been here longer than you, and contributed more to this site than you will ever have.

I'm done with this, on to the next one. And its pretty sad how a thread made for paying respects to an innovator of society has transformed into a debate. Like I said, if anyone has nothing to contribute in terms of respect, then why bother posting at all?
 
Lol, ever since I started posting again on the site after a long hiatus, I was waiting for the first person to jump down my throat on a post I made, and wow, its only been three hours and it begins.

First of all, I obviously do think that people have a right to an opinion, and not one post on this site was talking about how PC users do not like Macs, I was making a general statement towards people I know in PERSON, and not on a forum. Second of all, it was a general stab at humour, my heart will not explode if people do not like a Mac, so I dont know why you have your panties in a bunch. Stop taking stuff so seriously and maybe you will have a better life, and do not tell me to "go away" because I have been here longer than you, and contributed more to this site than you will ever have.

I'm done with this, on to the next one. And its pretty sad how a thread made for paying respects to an innovator of society has transformed into a debate. Like I said, if anyone has nothing to contribute in terms of respect, then why bother posting at all?

Since when was this a tribute thread? It's called "Steve Jobs - dead at 56", not "Steve Jobs Eulogy".
 
Since when was this a tribute thread? It's called "Steve Jobs - dead at 56", not "Steve Jobs Eulogy".

Okay, I am sorry, maybe it isn't a tribute thread, but I don't understand why people have to bash the man... He's still a human being who's life was tragically taken.
 
There were some pretty harsh criticism directed at Steve Jobs, but I do think kneejerk reactions to the said comments were unwarranted. This the same forum where users make disdainful remarks about other games and the people that are involved in them. Why is any criticism towards Steve Jobs taboo?

That being said, people die every day, including those that help saved or better the lives of others...but nobody except those they are in direct contact with knows or even care for them. To me, it's just the media making another big fuss over a celebrity's death.
 
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I love that trying to honor someone who died after being very ill for a long time turns into a debate. That's just sad. Regardless of what you thought about Steve Jobs, he's dead now so let it go.
 
I love that trying to honor someone who died after being very ill for a long time turns into a debate. That's just sad. Regardless of what you thought about Steve Jobs, he's dead now so let it go.

Thank you Alisa! That's what I've been trying to say, at least someone gets it.

Nice to see you again btw :) LOL.
 
Whoa, whoa, WHOA!

@SpineRipper, in what way, shape or form have I been disgraceful? Did I come into this thread and drop every Steve Jobs joke that has materialised in the last 24 hours? No. Did I come in and say "luuuuuulz"? No. Did I come in and say "**** Steve Jobs". No. I for one shouldn't have to explain, that Steve Jobs had nothing to do with Mortal Kombat, the forum or the creation of the internet.

@Jade, i'm surprised at you. I don't feel my post was rude or immature as you infer. I already emphasised that yes, it's sad for his family and friends, but I for one did not agree with his vision. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, Steve Jobs was a controversial figure. The thread is not called "Steve Jobs Memorial, please leave tributes here", its called Steve Jobs died at 58. But because I stated that I was no fan of the man, or his products, that some how im an insensitive a-hole. I wonder how many Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, died on the same day. People that really have saved, or enriched peoples lives. When Michael Jackson died, people immediately fell into one of two camps, those that loved his music (me) and those that saw nothing but tabloid smearing. The amount of arguments I had with people that said he was a pedo, etc, was frustrating to say the least, but I at least, RESPECTED THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION, whether I agreed with it or not. I wonder how many people here saying "RIP Steve Jobs", hated on MJ when he died. For that matter, I wonder how many people had even heard of Steve Jobs until two days ago..

@UCFReiko and Zoidberg, yes a life is a life, but why do celebrities or corporate giants take precedence over the rest of the human race?

@Patrick McCarron, im sorry I have not seen one hateful thing written in this thread yet. People arent here making jokes, or trolling, they are simply having a view, and im flabbergasted they are being made pariahs for it. You say if it wasn't for Steve Jobs, that we wouldn't be sitting here now. I'm using a PC as we speak. Are you saying that without Steve Jobs, PC's wouldn't be what they are now? How do you know PC's would not have progressed considerably more than they have now? How do you know the computer industry would not be what it is now? How do you know, someone else, simply wouldn't have done what has been done now? Do you believe, Apple is going to cease to exist or not produce more products, now that Steve Jobs has died?

As for the guy "inventing" personal computers:
Early personal computers — generally called microcomputers — were sold often in kit form and in limited volumes, and were of interest mostly to hobbyists and technicians. Minimal programming was done with toggle switches to enter instructions, and output was provided by front panel lamps. Practical use required peripherals such as keyboards, computer terminals, disk drives, and printers. Micral N was the earliest commercial, non-kit microcomputer based on a microprocessor, the Intel 8008. It was built starting in 1972 and about 90,000 units were sold. In 1976 Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak sold the Apple I computer circuit board, which was fully prepared and contained about 30 chips. The first successfully mass marketed personal computer was the Commodore PET introduced in January 1977. It was soon followed by the TRS-80 from Radio Shack and the popular Apple II. Mass-market ready-assembled computers allowed a wider range of people to use computers, focusing more on software applications and less on development of the processor hardware.

I'd argue that he capitalised on a pre-existing product, and made it popular, but he was no innovator of the PC. He was a marketing genius, and people may not realise this, but the GUI mouse was one of his ideas. Pixar is pretty cool, i'll grant that. But people don't see the darker side to this man. They see their iPhone.

And to say a Mac is superior to a PC is just, well. I don't know what to say. There is no single Apple product that can ever be customised. Upgrades happen, when Apple says so. In that sense, I would say that retards the growth of technology. To say that the GAMES INDUSTRY was inspired by Steve Jobs is hillarious. I'm just bothered by all the rabid fans sprouting up, when most of them probably hadn't even heard of the man until 48 hours ago.

I think a more interesting question should be, where do people see Apple, 12 months from now?

Again, i'm sad for his family and friends, but not for the guys legacy. If people want to say im disgraceful, go ahead, because you don't know me and you have not read a single thing i've said. My uncle has had lymphoma for the last 10 years and will always be in remission. An ex of mine had breast cancer 6 years ago. My Dad had cancerous nodules found on his pancreas 3 years ago. I know all too well, what cancer does to a person.

I agree with every durn thing you've said. The man gave nothing back to society. He didn't donate a single dollar (as a matter of fact, refused to when asked by Bill Gates.. see THIS article) to save a life, even though HE himself was gifted with a liver from a donor to extend his lust for money. I, too, am sad for his family and friends, but I'm sure inheriting a 6 billion dollar empire will soften the blow and aid the healing process.

I also agree that just because he coined the first 'pre-built' personal computer does not mean without him we would all be chatting on our telegraph systems right now. Innovation is borne from necessity. It's like saying we would all be walking around barefoot if that first caveman hadn't wrapped a banana leaf around his feet.

Also, as a personal word from experience, reasoning or attempting to justify or clarify your comments to the mods will do nothing more than get you banned. TRUST ME, I KNOW.

So yes, R.I.P. Mr. Jobs. You are gone.. and.. yup.
 
I never said useless. I said NEEDLESS. And I was referring to items such as iPhones and iPods, which I admittedly own both.
Doesn't make them necessities though, does it?

When I think of computer pioneers, I think of Douglas Engelbart. He started it all, Jobs just tweeked his work.

As for being a ‘visionary’ ... the only ‘vision’ Jobs ever had was the one he nicked from Xerox PARC. From that point forward he made a career out of stealing others' ideas, shoehorning them into shiny but otherwise dysfunctional and DRM-infested toys, then branding an Apple logo on them (ironically also nicked, from the Beatles).

^Resources available upon request. :)

Now. With that being said, I am in no way attempting to disrespect the dead in any way, shape or form.
Apologies if I am coming off as crass, but these are just my opinions and I WILL BE HEARD, DAMNIT. :P

He has done many good things and touched the lives of millions of people in a very tangible and positive way, and his legacy will endure for a long time.
It's a truly terrible thing for all those involved in a death resulting from cancer. I would not wish that on my worst enemy [if I had one].


I hope people don't hate me for posting this. :|

Wow. Someone knows what they're talking about. :) Actually, I'm surprised you made no mention of Steve Wozniak. There was a good share of Jobs' profitability right there. While I'm sorry to hear that Jobs lost an epic battle with cancer--never cool, as I've seen that sort of thing first hand and can tell you, it's never easy for the person and the people around them--but Steve Jobs wasn't really an exceptional human being. A giant of business, for sure. He definitely helped shape our current e-landscape. But, I could think of other people I'd rather e-mourn.
 
I agree with everything Nuggets said.

Just goes to show, when a hot chick has the same opinions as someone else, all the horny boys are suddenly inclined to listen to her rather than E-Raging at the other guy :P
 
dont really care about this guy,I know someone is gonna throw out the same predictable shit at me about how I wouldnt even be on a computer without him yadda yadda yadda I dont care

Its a death I understand. It is sad ,but I have never felt connected with this man, and it is creepy to see all over youtube ,videos of people actually crying over this. Also it is funny because people who try to be super non conformist and blindly accuse rich big business owners and companies to be evil, yet make an exception to Jobs/apple. So that suddenly doesnt apply to Jobs because you like his products?
 
dont really care about this guy,I know someone is gonna throw out the same predictable shit at me about how I wouldnt even be on a computer without him yadda yadda yadda I dont care

Its a death I understand. It is sad ,but I have never felt connected with this man, and it is creepy to see all over youtube ,videos of people actually crying over this.

I feel the same way. He wasn't my friend or family so I could care less.
 
Arguments about "you wouldn't be doing this" or "you wouldn't be doing that" without the intervention of the Omnipotent Jobs, are tenuous arguments at best. If I really wanted to be pendantic, I could argue that if it wasn't for a caveman, 30,000 years ago wrapping a banana leaf around his foot, then we wouldn't be wearing shoes.
 
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