Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines

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Subz 711 said:
My bad. I'm really not angry at all about it.lol

Yeah, just so everyone knows, I'm just debating here. It's just throwing you guys off a little I think because everyone is so used to agreeing.

I just think the soulnado theory sucks. Plain and simple. I am going to debate it though since that's what this is about, and I'm going to put my all into it because that's just how I am.lol.
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Alright, I get ya. You come off as a bit intense, but I guess you're just passionate about it. Don't see how the soulnado theory is that farfetched though, considering they are technically a portal to the heavens
 
Viking_Poodle said:
Alright, I get ya. You come off as a bit intense, but I guess you're just passionate about it. Don't see how the soulnado theory is that farfetched though, considering they are technically a portal to the heavens
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Yeah, but they have already established that the soulnado would have destroyed Scorpion completely if the Elder Gods didn't save him. It also would just be a reused storyline if the elder gods did save him as well. Mix that with the fact that the grandmaster playstyle reveals that Sub-Zero will be Grandmaster at some point in this game. So, he's taking two character's past storylines. Meaning he's not original, and not a very good character if he has to take two character's stories just to be a character. Also, didn't we see the soulnado implode or disintegrate already. Meaning it's not still open. The elder gods have no idea what Shinnok is planning at all. So, it could be presumed that Noob Saibot is just dead.
 
It dissipated after noob went up it. And yeah, we did see the same situation play out with scorpion, but the time line is different. I mean you could've argued that same thing pre-mk9 about subzero becoming a robot ("but we already saw that play out with smoke"). Keep in mind I really don't care either way haha. I just want a new mk. Kuai or bi Han, or someone else. Doesn't particularly matter to me
 
Subz 711 said:
Yeah, but they have already established that the soulnado would have destroyed Scorpion completely if the Elder Gods didn't save him. It also would just be a reused storyline if the elder gods did save him as well. Mix that with the fact that the grandmaster playstyle reveals that Sub-Zero will be Grandmaster at some point in this game. So, he's taking two character's past storylines. Meaning he's not original, and not a very good character if he has to take two character's stories just to be a character. Also, didn't we see the soulnado implode or disintegrate already. Meaning it's not still open. The elder gods have no idea what Shinnok is planning at all. So, it could be presumed that Noob Saibot is just dead.
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Soulnado imploding or disintegrating meaning it's nos still open ??? Do you really think that if he was completely open, it can't be destroy ? The one of Shang Tsung was both...
 
Viking_Poodle said:
It dissipated after noob went up it. And yeah, we did see the same situation play out with scorpion, but the time line is different. I mean you could've argued that same thing pre-mk9 about subzero becoming a robot ("but we already saw that play out with smoke"). Keep in mind I really don't care either way haha. I just want a new mk. Kuai or bi Han, or someone else. Doesn't particularly matter to me
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Yeah, I get ya. However, they kinda had to do that with Smoke and Sub-Zero though because they needed Raiden to change something OBVIOUS. A lot of the shit that changed wasn't even Raiden's doing. Like Shang Tsung being a complete pushover. I also still say that if they wanted Bi-han to be Sub-Zero they could have had Scorpion spare him. It would have been an obvious change without ever having Kuai Liang become Sub-Zero at all. They didn't go that route though.

I mean honestly what do you think is better? Bi-han remaning as Noob Saibot and helping take down Shinnok so he can take the throne over the netherrealm (the WHOLE netherealm), or being brought back by elder gods (rehashed), fighting with Scorpion (done to death), and taking over the Lin Kuei as grandmaster (also rehashed). It just seems so obvious which is better to me. Honestly from NRS point of view they need to watch this as well.

I've seen two polls where Noob Saibot was in top 5 favorite characters. Plus he was almost always in top 10 on the leaderboards for favorite character used across all modes in MK9 (the favorite VILLAIN at that). Then, you have Kuai Liang fans as well who want to see him get some payback for, you know, raping his character in MK9. They are two fan favorites, and A LOT of people like them in those respected roles. Not all, but a lot. Even bringing in a new Sub-Zero wouldn't piss off Noob Saibot fans. However, turning Bi-han back into Sub-Zero makes little sense because you are pissing on not 1 but 2 fanbases just so Bi-han can have the name Sub-Zero.
 
Exactly.

Back tracking Bi Han in to Sub-Zero again pretty much erases Noob Saibot which I couldn't see them doing. Its a well established character with alot of potential to develop farther.

I'm sure NRS was fully aware making Kuai Liang cyber was a risk for the fanbase. There's a difference in Kuai Liang being cyber and Bi Han becoming Noob Saibot. Kuai Liang is still Sub-Zero when he's cyber. Bi Han takes on a completely new persona after his death.
 
Just remember one thing. Quan Chi resurrected Sindel from her bones and he materialized her whole original body around her skeleton. He can do the same thing from Kuai's skeleton, avoiding the cybernetics and resurrecting him while re-creating his original body only from his bones and whatever rotten meat there is left.
 
Cryo said:
Just remember one thing. Quan Chi resurrected Sindel from her bones and he materialized her whole original body around her skeleton. He can do the same thing from Kuai's skeleton, avoiding the cybernetics and resurrecting him while re-creating his original body only from his bones and whatever rotten meat there is left.
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But why he would do that ?
 
Katalina Caine said:
But why he would do that ?
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Because he may very well do that to all of the heroes at some point?

That's just one theory though. He could do it just because he knows how powerful Sub-Zero is and wants to use him as his pawn. However, Sareena may step in and steer him the other way.
 
Katalina Caine said:
But why he would do that ?
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Why did he resurrect Scorpion? And why did he resurrect Noob? Because he is evil, has free time and the power to do it lol there is just no straight answer, he can do it and just for that reason, he might actually do it. If you want a real reason, well... to build an army of lobotomized meta-humans to do his willing. Just a thought.
 
Taj Gill said:
This is what I mean, NRS NEEDS to clarify whether MK9 is either an "Alternate Reality" as some imply it to be, or a "different timeline". Alternate Realities are where the events may already be different before gaining knowledge of the future, whereas a different timeline is where the events are the same until someone gains knowledge of the future.

That's what I take from it at least. If MK9 was INDEED an "Alternate Reality" then okay fine, there are no Retcons, such as Kuai's motivation for revenge, Lin Kuei on Shang Tsung's side, Kung Lao participating in the first tournament, etc. But if MK9 was a different timeline ONLY, then those events I just mentioned, prior to Raiden getting his visions, ARE retcons.

I think the majority of people implied that MK9 was just a different timeline, but now the question of "Alternate Realities" kind of makes things different.
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After giving it some thought, I am more inclined to think that MK9 is an a revisiting of the timeline rather than an alternate reality mainly because of Raiden and his actions. Why would he send visions to himself in another reality when it would hold no consequence to him? Sure, that reality may turn out better, but he wouldn't be saving his own.

Also I feel many of the minor retcons we see were done mainly to fit into the MK9 style of storytelling. It would have felt more one-sided during the MK1 phase since both the Lin Kuei and Raiden would have had similar goals (getting rid of Shang Tsung) and it would not have made sense with them fighting each other.
 
Im not even going to respond to you, Subz. You deliberately ignored almost everything i said in that post. Dont even deny that, either, because you did. Especially the MK4 storyline part, holy shit.

Again, start actually thinking without your own wants in mind, christ.
 
Sn202 said:
Im not even going to respond to you, Subz. You deliberately ignored almost everything i said in that post. Dont even deny that, either, because you did. Especially the MK4 storyline part, holy shit.

Again, start actually thinking without your own wants in mind, christ.
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No, I really did respond to you.

Also, you might want to note that if you're not going to respond to someone then don't mention them.

I pointed out that you don't know shit about MK4. Period. You were saying that Quan Chi convinced Scorpion that Bi-Han killed his family this time around. You know what though??? That happened the exact same way in the old timeline as well. Nothing changed AT ALL.

Now, grasp this please. Okay? Just grasp it.

Mk4 and it's events HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET. Not in this timeline. Shinnok and Quan Chi showing up at the end of MK9 shows we are very much on track to repeat certain parts of that storyline. One of which Quan Chi tells Scorpion that it wasn't Bi-Han after all who killed his family. It was Kuai Liang. Kuai Liang is completely innocent though. Quan just wanted him dead.

So, no I did not ignore your post. However, it was really bad and showed you don't know some of your history. It really didn't deserve responding to.
 
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Subz 711 said:
I pointed out that you don't know shit about MK4. Period. You were saying that Quan Chi convinced Scorpion that Bi-Han killed his family this time around. You know what though??? That happened the exact same way in the old timeline as well. Nothing changed AT ALL.
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This plot still wouldn't make sense in the new time line (just like it didn't in the old timeline) because Quan Chi makes it clear that it was in fact Bi-Han that supposedly killed Scorpion's family in his vision, he can't just do a full 180 and say "Oops sorry, wrong Sub Zero, my bad Scorps =3", that would be even worse writing than whole Soulnado situation becuase it would make Scorpion seem like a total moron for falling for it. Quan Chi might as well replace Bi Han in his vision by Raiden or something and watch the fireworks fly.
 
Subz 711 said:
No, I really did respond to you.

Also, you might want to note that if you're not going to respond to someone then don't mention them.

I pointed out that you don't know shit about MK4. Period. You were saying that Quan Chi convinced Scorpion that Bi-Han killed his family this time around. You know what though??? That happened the exact same way in the old timeline as well. Nothing changed AT ALL.

Now, grasp this please. Okay? Just grasp it.

Mk4 and it's events HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET. Not in this timeline. Shinnok and Quan Chi showing up at the end of MK9 shows we are very much on track to repeat certain parts of that storyline. One of which Quan Chi tells Scorpion that it wasn't Bi-Han after all who killed his family. It was Kuai Liang. Kuai Liang is completely innocent though. Quan just wanted him dead.

So, no I did not ignore your post. However, it was really bad and showed you don't know some of your history. It really didn't deserve responding to.
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Alright, even though i said i wouldnt.
You're an idiot.
 
Guys, Quan Chi never said "my bad Scorpion, Kuai killed your family" in MK4. He viewed Kuai as a threat to Shinnok and him, therefore he told Scorpion that Kuai was still INVOLVED in the massacre of the Shirai Ryu and Scorp's family. He never outright said that Kuai COMMITTED the murders. He said A Sub-Zero did it.

You guys really need to actually KNOW the history before arguing. Scorpion KNEW Bi-Han killed his family in the original timeline as well. Also, remember that MK9 Bi-Han said "STOP THAT WAS NOT ME", Quan Chi can still spin it like he did in MK4 and be like he was right... It was his Brother who defeated you in Kahn's Coliseum.
 
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Taj Gill said:
Guys, Quan Chi never said "my bad Scorpion, Kuai killed your family" in MK4. He viewed Kuai as a threat to Shinnok and him, therefore he told Scorpion that Kuai was still INVOLVED in the massacre of the Shirai Ryu and Scorp's family. He never outright said that Kuai COMMITTED the murders. He said A Sub-Zero did it.

You guys really need to actually KNOW the history before arguing. Scorpion KNEW Bi-Han killed his family in the original timeline as well. Also, remember that MK9 Bi-Han said "STOP THAT WAS NOT ME", Quan Chi can still spin it like he did in MK4 and be like he was right... It was his Brother who defeated you in Kahn's Coliseum.
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In mythologies he refers to Bi Han as being the murderer.
In Scorpion's MK4 ending, he refers to Sub Zero as the (not one, the) murderer.
I'm sorry but that's a plot point if I ever saw one, you're trying to rationalize it in order for it to make but there's not much to back it up.

I mean, sure Quan Chi can spin it whatever, but does Scorpion lacks even the most basic part of common sense, wouldn't he question Quan Chi about not showing him Kuai and only does so when it conveniently suits his purpose. Is he that gullible?
 
Taj Gill said:
Guys, Quan Chi never said "my bad Scorpion, Kuai killed your family" in MK4. He viewed Kuai as a threat to Shinnok and him, therefore he told Scorpion that Kuai was still INVOLVED in the massacre of the Shirai Ryu and Scorp's family. He never outright said that Kuai COMMITTED the murders. He said A Sub-Zero did it.

You guys really need to actually KNOW the history before arguing. Scorpion KNEW Bi-Han killed his family in the original timeline as well. Also, remember that MK9 Bi-Han said "STOP THAT WAS NOT ME", Quan Chi can still spin it like he did in MK4 and be like he was right... It was his Brother who defeated you in Kahn's Coliseum.
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THANKYOU!

I'm on my phone, but I will definitely thank this post when I get the chance.
 
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