Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines

[Taj Gill]

This is my take on everything:

In terms of the whole MK:MSZ being canon in the new timeline, I believe it is, due to the fact that Boon and Co. didn't elaborate on whether MK9 was a whole complete alternate reality or just a different timeline. I'm inclined to believe that it's JUST a separate timeline, but people like [MENTION=5028]Araknyd_Commander[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4805]Viking_Poodle[/MENTION] are correctly allowed to assume that it's also an alternate reality. This is simply because the method of Time Travel wasn't elaborated on by NRS which is very poorly done on their part, and I don't think they ever will care to clarify this.

Secondly, the fact that we see a Human Sub-Zero is good enough for me. As I've stated many times in this thread, I would PREFER that it's Kuai rather than Bi-Han because I want Scorpion and him to team up and hunt down Quan Chi. As well as making it even cooler if Han as Noob also teams up with them, with the intent of winning the Netherrealm for himself. If Bi-Han is Sub-Zero, cool, now we can see how NRS fleshes him out in the role. I just don't want a new Sub-Zero unless he's directly related to the Brothers. If it's a completely different person, Boon would be contradicting the story because the Brothers were the only two abducted by the Lin Kuei as opposed to other members for their cryomancy. It would be completely out of the blue to have a whole bunch of Cryomancers when they abducted the two, as opposed to letting them join the clan as usual, just because of their rare feats.

 

[Cryo]

I think is quite simple, Sub-Zero must be Kuai Liang or a new random guy, I don't care as long as he is not Bi-Han. Why? Because Bi-Han being Sub-Zero would mean Noob is not in the game, and that would suck.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

It would be completely out of the blue...

Lol Very nice.

I still think it would be pretty strange to back track and it be Bi Han. I really doubt it the more I speculate.

 

[Taj Gill]

Ha, I hoped someone would catch that

 

[Sn202]

Nope it has been debateable since MKvsDC. People were saying they would use Bi-Han in MKvsDC since it was just a one off, but they used Kuai Liang.

In MK9, EVERYBODY swore up and down that Sub-Zero was Bi-Han. His title page on themortalkombat.com said Sub-Zero resurrected. NRS was using this as a way to fool people because back in MK2 what did we all think? Bi-Han had been resurrected right? Except it was Kuai who took his place. So for months people were saying it was Bi-Han and then what happened in MK9? Kuai Liang was the main Sub-Zero. So much so that Bi-Han only received a few lines. While Kuai got two chapters.

I'll say this time that Shirai Ryu Dog does favor Bi-Han. I will also still say I could see "I tire of maintaining our innocence" being Kuai Liang via MK4. I will say though that these intros are fan service for fans who have wanted these interactions for years. This is the first actual time we will get to see this. If you think they wouldn't throw in classic rivalry lines into the intros then you are crazy. Shirai Ryu Dog may be something Bi-han would say, but assuming Kuai Liang has no beef with Scorpion then they have to add shit like that by default.

No, the MK4 Kuai storyline cant happen anymore.
In MK9, Quan Chi shows a vision of Bi-Han killing Scorpions family and clan on his own, which is what Kuai was accused of in MK4, that cant happen.

Plus, "Sub-Zero Resurrected" was kind of accurate. For the first few chapters. You can still play as Bi-Han, with his alternate outfit.

I think is quite simple, Sub-Zero must be Kuai Liang or a new random guy, I don't care as long as he is not Bi-Han. Why? Because Bi-Han being Sub-Zero would mean Noob is not in the game, and that would suck.

But heres the thing, thats what you want.

I think we're all trying to think about it like as in whats actually likely happening in the story, not what we want. And right now, everything is pointing to Bi-Han.

 

[Subz 711]

No, the MK4 Kuai storyline cant happen anymore.
In MK9, Quan Chi shows a vision of Bi-Han killing Scorpions family and clan on his own, which is what Kuai was accused of in MK4, that cant happen.

Plus, "Sub-Zero Resurrected" was kind of accurate. For the first few chapters. You can still play as Bi-Han, with his alternate outfit.



But heres the thing, thats what you want.

I think we're all trying to think about it like as in whats actually likely happening in the story, not what we want. And right now, everything is pointing to Bi-Han.

No you're not. Don't say your not saying what you want. You clearly want Bi-Han. None of you, not a single one of you have speculated that it might be Kuai in this whole thread.

You haven't taken into account Kuai is under Quan's control and is STILL named Sub-Zero, you haven't taken into account the grandmaster style, you haven't taken into account that he says I tire of maintaining OUR innocence" which most definitely could be Kuai via MK4.

You brush all of it off and say herp derp soulnado brought heem back.

Also, what does Quan's vision have to do with it not being able to be Kuai? It's a guy in blue ninja garb. I'm pretty sure Quan could still say hey scorpion it was really Kuai in that vision, not Bi-Han.

Don't come in here acting like we're only speculating what we want though because you're doing the exact same thing. The only reason even remotely pointing against Kuai was that he's a cyborg. Bi-Han was Noob Saibot though. So, they're both in the same boat.

 

[BBBLP]

This dude is hella mad at all the Bi Han love :rofl:

 

[Subz 711]

Nah, I ain't even. I'm just saying Cryo up there said he wanted Kuai. Then someone tells him he's only stating what he wants, Not what could realistically happen????

What the hell are you guys doing? I've already stated reasons why the soulnado theory is shit. Yet, it pops back up like that floater that just won't go down the toilet.

I'm not mad at all though. It's just funny how you guys think it's soooo much more likely than Quan just making Kuai a spectre like Scorpion or some shit.

Personally I'm fine with a new Sub-Zero. That would suit me just as well actually.I honestly don't understand the Bi-Han love and stand by my view of him being probably the most overrated character in MK though.

 

[Sn202]

Alright, lets pick this apart.

No you're not. Don't say your not saying what you want. You clearly want Bi-Han. None of you, not a single one of you have speculated that it might be Kuai in this whole thread.

No, my friend, its logical reasoning. Maybe i do want Bi-Han, maybe i want Kuai, you dont know, im simply using the evidence given to me to make an educated guess that, based off of how different this MK seems to be, is most likely the case.

You haven't taken into account Kuai is under Quan's control and is STILL named Sub-Zero, you haven't taken into account the grandmaster style, you haven't taken into account that he says I tire of maintaining OUR innocence" which most definitely could be Kuai via MK4.

No. It cant. The MK4 story cant happen again, because the circumstances of its occurance have been DRASTICALLY altered. Especially since, y'know, Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into believing BI-HAN was responsible, NOT Kuai Liang like the original timeline. And them being under his control doesnt really matter, why would Quan Chi make Kuai act as if he was a member of the Lin Kuei? It makes no sense.

You brush all of it off and say herp derp soulnado brought heem back.

Because from a writers standpoint, its an easy to use plot point that most would accept without much questioning? Especially since Scorpion survived it in Deception, and Noob Saibot has been hinted in the past to be somewhat of a seperate entity to Bi-Han?

Also, what does Quan's vision have to do with it not being able to be Kuai? It's a guy in blue ninja garb. I'm pretty sure Quan could still say hey scorpion it was really Kuai in that vision, not Bi-Han.

Because that would A) be god awful storytelling and B) would be really really suspicious. And literally everyone who played MK9 and gave a shit would point this out and NRS would get a lot of flack from it. Because its really god damn stupid.

Don't come in here acting like we're only speculating what we want though because you're doing the exact same thing. The only reason even remotely pointing against Kuai was that he's a cyborg. Bi-Han was Noob Saibot though. So, they're both in the same boat.

Im speculating the most likely scenario, YOU'RE speculating based off of what YOU want. Stop doing that, its getting annoying now. You're complaining about us not wanting to think what you WANT us to think.


If you want to speculate, how about you get over what you want NRS to do for you to make you happy and actually start thinking about whats most likely going to happen based off of actual evidence from the prior story and character traits present in both MK9 and MK X. Its really simple.

 

[Cryo]

I said what I wanted but that's because I kinda misunderstood the basic point of the discussion. From what I actually know, Kuai is the most obvious candidate because well he is the actual SZ, Cyber... I know but he died so imagine him being restored to life, taking Quan Chi uses his soul for the resurrection and not his corpse in decomposition, he will return as he came in to the world lol that meaning he wouldn't return with metal parts and circuits all over him, he would respawn with a new "copy" of his original body. That's what makes me think that if one of the brothers returns as SZ, is most likely to be Kuai.

Aaaanyway I still don't acknowledge all the "evidence" everyone is talking about so I'll return to this thread after rewatching all the videos.

 

[Sn202]

I said what I wanted but that's because I kinda misunderstood the basic point of the discussion. From what I actually know, Kuai is the most obvious candidate because well he is the actual SZ, Cyber... I know but he died so imagine him being restores to life, he will return as he came in to the world lol that meaning he wouldn't return with metal parts and circuits all over him. That's what makes me think that if one of the brother returns as SZ, is most likely to be Kuai.

Aaaanyway I still don't acknowledge all the "evidence" everyone is talking about so I'll return to this thread after rewatching all the videos.

Rewatch videos from MK9 with Kuai as Sub-Zero, then watch Bi-Han as Sub-Zero, then watch the MK X gameplay announce and this german video, his personality is far closer to Bi-Han than Kuai.

 

[Subz 711]

Alright, lets pick this apart.

Okay, let's. Please enlighten me.

No, my friend, its logical reasoning. Maybe i do want Bi-Han, maybe i want Kuai, you dont know, im simply using the evidence given to me to make an educated guess that, based off of how different this MK seems to be, is most likely the case. .

It's not logical reasoning. It's shitty reasoning. Noob Saibot should not be a separate entity, but I've explained it already. Go to page 9 of this thread I posted all of the inconsistencies of this damn theory. It DOES NOT make any sense whatsoever.

No. It cant. The MK4 story cant happen again, because the circumstances of its occurance have been DRASTICALLY altered. Especially since, y'know, Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into believing BI-HAN was responsible, NOT Kuai Liang like the original timeline. And them being under his control doesnt really matter, why would Quan Chi make Kuai act as if he was a member of the Lin Kuei? It makes no sense.

Pfffft. This shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Like no clue. Scorpion ALWAYS thought it was Bi-Han who murdered his family and clan. That was until MK4(You know the timeline we're approaching) when Quan Chi tells Scorpion that it was Kuai Liang who murdered his family. He did this because he was afraid of The Sub-Zero's period and saw Kuai as a threat. Until MK4 Scorpion thought it was Bi-Han. So, yeah you don't know what you're talking about.

Because from a writers standpoint, its an easy to use plot point that most would accept without much questioning? Especially since Scorpion survived it in Deception, and Noob Saibot has been hinted in the past to be somewhat of a seperate entity to Bi-Han?

Yeah, it could make sense for him to survive it as Noob Saibot. There's no reason for him to become Sub-Zero again though when his ending even hinted he would go against Shinnok anyway because he wants the Netherrealm for himself. Also the only reason Scorpion survived it was because someone saved him from it.

Because that would A) be god awful storytelling and B) would be really really suspicious. And literally everyone who played MK9 and gave a shit would point this out and NRS would get a lot of flack from it. Because its really god damn stupid.

No they wouldn't. MK9 already tore shit up from being able to be repaired. I'm pretty sure that the netherrealm is supposed to kill your powers once you enter it. Didn't stop any of the heroes from using them there though did it? It's just as likely as your Oh mighty soulnado theory.
If they can now use their powers in the netherrealm then there's no reason Quan can't say "here's a new body Kuai, now do my bidding".

Im speculating the most likely scenario, YOU'RE speculating based off of what YOU want. Stop doing that, its getting annoying now. You're complaining about us not wanting to think what you WANT us to think.

If you want to speculate, how about you get over what you want NRS to do for you to make you happy and actually start thinking about whats most likely going to happen based off of actual evidence from the prior story and character traits present in both MK9 and MK X. Its really simple.

I'm speculating just as much as you. I haven't even gave a real reason for how Kuai can come back, nor do I know how it would happen. I'm just saying it's just as likely as your shitty soulnado theory.

Also Cryo, don't let him sway you.

Kuai demanding Scorpion be brought to him doesn't sound like anything Kuai would do either. Yet, it happened in MK9. Don't let them sway you if you want Kuai.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

No you're not. Don't say your not saying what you want. You clearly want Bi-Han. None of you, not a single one of you have speculated that it might be Kuai in this whole thread.

but I did.

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[Subz 711]

but I did.

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My bad Noob-Zer013

I seen you haha. Should have acknowledged you.

I was meaning the supporters of Bi-han. None of them, besides Araknyd, have acknowledged that this could be Kuai at all.

Thanks for backing me up a little bit though. Much appreciated!

 

[MK_Reaper]

I was listening to what you have had to say and offer Subz earlier in this topic, but in my opinion your just tarnishing yourself now.

Like it or not the majority find the Bi Han theory to be more believable whether they like the guy or not. Your problem is riding all over kuai's nut train. It pisses you off. So you sit here and say that there all shitty reasons. They sound alot more logical then anything you have brought forward. In fact I have not seen you bring anything that seems more logical then the Bi Han theory. These are people's theories and opininions and your acting that you have the facts.

Give us a theory for kuai coming back that sounds better then Bi Han instead of sitting there pissing and Moaning

 

[Subz 711]

I was listening to what you have had to say and offer Subz earlier in this topic, but in my opinion your just tarnishing yourself now.

Like it or not the majority find the Bi Han theory to be more believable whether they like the guy or not. Your problem is riding all over kuai's nut train. It pisses you off. So you sit here and say that there all shitty reasons. They sound alot more logical then anything you have brought forward. In fact I have not seen you bring anything that seems more logical then the Bi Han theory. These are people's theories and opininions and your acting that you have the facts.

Give us a theory for kuai coming back that sounds better then Bi Han instead of sitting there pissing and Moaning

Umm, I was just saying that I don't have a good explanation for either of them to come back. Hell, I even said if they found a different way to bring Bi-han back then fine. However, this is a shitty theory, and I'm not backing down on it. It's bad. B.A.D. bad.

However, I will say this. Quan Chi has control over the guy who was Sub-Zero last (Kuai Liang). He has formed new bodies for both Scorpion and Noob Saibot. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he do the same for Kuai.

I love how you say I'm riding Kuai's nuts, because you're doing the exact same thing with Bi-han. Thanking every post that supports Bi-han like they are giving you money or something.

I'm simply the loudest voice for Kuai Liang here, and the fact that I've brought up some reasonable explanations as to why this shit won't work pisses you off because you really want Bi-han back.

Sorry, but this theory is bad. Again, I'm not saying NRS wouldn't do it, because well they screwed their own storyline with the last game. The soulnado theory is bad writing though. Just bad.

 

[MK_Reaper]

Umm, I was just saying that I don't have a good explanation for either of them to come back. Hell, I even said if they found a different way to bring Bi-han back then fine. However, this is a shitty theory, and I'm not backing down on it. It's bad. B.A.D. bad.

However, I will say this. Quan Chi has control over the guy who was Sub-Zero last (Kuai Liang). He has formed new bodies for both Scorpion and Noob Saibot. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he do the same for Kuai.

I love how you say I'm riding Kuai's nuts, because you're doing the exact same thing with Bi-han. Thanking every post that supports Bi-han like they are giving you money or something.

I'm simply the loudest voice for Kuai Liang here, and the fact that I've brought up some reasonable explanations as to why this shit won't work pisses you off because you really want Bi-han back.

Sorry, but this theory is bad. Again, I'm not saying NRS wouldn't do it, because well they screwed their own storyline with the last game. The soulnado theory is bad writing though. Just bad.

Yeah I like Bi Han I won't lie about. I also thank posts that call you out on how your acting...for me it's too the point its becoming almost hilarious. No you haven't given reasonable explanation at least in my opinion. Why would they have quan Ch bring kuai back? Especially since he is dead and Bi Han is unknown. If Shinnok is the baddy is makes alot more sense to have Bi Han then kuai and you could still have noob. Your not adding anything other then trying to rebuttal anything you dont like. Just because you think it's bad doesn't make it fact.

 

[Subz 711]

Yeah I like Bi Han I won't lie about. I also thank posts that call you out on how your acting...for me it's too the point its becoming almost hilarious. No you haven't given reasonable explanation at least in my opinion. Why would they have quan Ch bring kuai back? Especially since he is dead and Bi Han is unknown. If Shinnok is the baddy is makes alot more sense to have Bi Han then kuai and you could still have noob. Your not adding anything other then trying to rebuttal anything you dont like. Just because you think it's bad doesn't make it fact.

What's hilarious is you thanked the most fanboy reply in this whole damn thread. When BBLP basically said Bi-han is amazing and shits Rainbows YOU thanked it. No, obviously he didn't say he shits rainbows. It was unicorns he shat, my bad.

Anyway, it makes sense for him to bring Kuai back because wait for it.... Kuai is still in his control. He has no earthly clue what happened to Noob Saibot and neither do we. Flying Jinko, even though he and I don't often agree, even pointed out that someone would have to save Bi-han in order for him to survive the soulnado. We have also discussed why it makes no damn sense for the elder gods to do so. My guess? Havik saves Noob Saibot from the soulnado. I'm telling you his ending hinted at it, and I would not doubt that happening. Yes, I know not all endings are canon. Maybe you guys should take note of that when you try to bring ARMAGEDDON endings into this argument like any of them are canon whatsoever.

You say I'm just whining about what I don't like. Try Bi-han fans moaning for him to come back. Then NRS reveals him as Noob Saibot, gives him a badass personality, makes him evil, and basically everything you guys want. Yet, you're still unhappy because his name isn't Sub-Zero. Nevermind the fact that giving the name Sub-Zero to Bi-Han not only pisses off fans of Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) but also fans of Noob Saibot who like him as Bi-han. You are literally saying screw TWO fanbases just so you can have Bi-han be Sub-Zero.

 

[Viking_Poodle]

Yeesh. You seem so angry about the whole thing, man. Kinda hoping they do go with the soulnado idea just to see how you react to it.

 

[Subz 711]

Yeesh. You seem so angry about the whole thing, man. Kinda hoping they do go with the soulnado idea just to see how you react to it.

My bad. I'm really not angry at all about it.lol

Yeah, just so everyone knows, I'm just debating here. It's just throwing you guys off a little I think because everyone is so used to agreeing.

I just think the soulnado theory sucks. Plain and simple. I am going to debate it though since that's what this is about, and I'm going to put my all into it because that's just how I am.lol.