Controversial Things you believe in

[Sky Valley]

Religion thread? Is that you?


anyway

Not to mention rape is one of the biggest crimes people are falsely accused of and falsely convicted of.

yeah. should check this story out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_3ULc9jj8


women who intentionally falsely accuse a man of rape deserve to be in jail for however long the guy would have gone to jail, and DOUBLE that. You cant joke around with accusing people of rape. Your life is pretty much over if you are accused of rape, in many ways. Rotting in prison, and your loved ones now looking down on you for something you didnt even do.

 

[CF7]

I believe religion and faith are for intellectually dishonest people.

...why?

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[Freyith]

Religion thread? Is that you?


anyway


yeah. should check this story out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_3ULc9jj8


women who intentionally falsely accuse a man of rape deserve to be in jail for however long the guy would have gone to jail, and DOUBLE that. You cant joke around with accusing people of rape. Your life is pretty much over if you are accused of rape, in many ways. Rotting in prison, and your loved ones now looking down on you for something you didnt even do.

While I understand what you're getting at, where does that leave cases where there is a complaining witness but insufficient evidence to indict with a very good chance of securing a guilty verdict? Does that mean your law (or view of it) would consider the victim to be a liar and thus punish them? That's a very slippery and frightening slope.

 

[Jade]

The religious debate posts would be awesome in the religion thread <3

Good stuff and interesting read, just isn't in the right thread, lol.

 

[de_nhoj]

While I understand what you're getting at, where does that leave cases where there is a complaining witness but insufficient evidence to indict with a very good chance of securing a guilty verdict? Does that mean your law (or view of it) would consider the victim to be a liar and thus punish them? That's a very slippery and frightening slope.

It's not a slippery slope at all the same benefit of doubt would apply to the alleged victim as the alleged rapist or any other person that goes through the court system for that matter. That is, if the accused rapist denies the rape occured and the accuser stands by his/her claim while there is insufficient evidence to suggest a rape occured yet also insufficient evidence that the person lied about rape then no one gets charged. However if there is strong evidence to suggest the person lied about being raped like if the accuser's friend comes out and says the accuser regretted having sex with the other person and told this friend that they were going to claim it's rape for whatever reason.

 

[Love Cowboy]

While I understand what you're getting at, where does that leave cases where there is a complaining witness but insufficient evidence to indict with a very good chance of securing a guilty verdict? Does that mean your law (or view of it) would consider the victim to be a liar and thus punish them? That's a very slippery and frightening slope.

It's not a slippery slope at all the same benefit of doubt would apply to the alleged victim as the alleged rapist or any other person that goes through the court system for that matter. That is, if the accused rapist denies the rape occured and the accuser stands by his/her claim while there is insufficient evidence to suggest a rape occured yet also insufficient evidence that the person lied about rape then no one gets charged. However if there is strong evidence to suggest the person lied about being raped like if the accuser's friend comes out and says the accuser regretted having sex with the other person and told this friend that they were going to claim it's rape for whatever reason.

All of a sudden I'm thinking of To Kill a Mockingbird

 

[Freyith]

It's not a slippery slope at all the same benefit of doubt would apply to the alleged victim as the alleged rapist or any other person that goes through the court system for that matter. That is, if the accused rapist denies the rape occured and the accuser stands by his/her claim while there is insufficient evidence to suggest a rape occured yet also insufficient evidence that the person lied about rape then no one gets charged. However if there is strong evidence to suggest the person lied about being raped like if the accuser's friend comes out and says the accuser regretted having sex with the other person and told this friend that they were going to claim it's rape for whatever reason.

Your example doesn't meet evidence requirements in any court of law; it would be just hearsay. There are already penalties for filing a false police report. I don't think adding on a 'we might imprison you for crying rape' clause will do a lot of good, and may in fact do a lot of harm to legitimate rape victims who already underreport rape incidents because of the stigma.

 

[Subz 711]

I believe

9/11 inside job

The illuminati and messed up things in our music and media in general

I also am just neutral to gay marriage/abortion issues. If that makes sense.

I also believe in God. Jesus Christ to be exact. I also feel that "religion" shouldn't be the case. It's relationship. A relationship with god.

It's also belief. There's no science that you can throw into it. We want to throw science into so many things in today's culture that it's ridiculous. It's just a straight belief, faith if you will. You either have faith that God is there with you, or you don't. Simple as that.

I hope it doesn't draw me any detractors. I realize it's the "cool" thing to say you don't believe in god today, but I don't care I guess I'm just not cool. The media, textbooks, teachers, music all tell us not to believe in god. It's no wonder why people want to turn against a relationship with god now. I'm not here to try and sway anyone one way or the other though. People will believe what they want to believe and that's that. I will say this though. I have faith in God because honestly if you have to throw any kind of faith into anything in the world in which we live today then likely you are going to end up disappointed. Sad, but true. Honestly, if this world is all that we get, then that would really suck. Backstabbers, robbers, murderers, rapists, thugs, gangs, POLITICIANS, I would much rather have faith in Jesus than a lot of things on this earth. Just my two cents though.

Also my final point, and this will be heavily controversial. I believe that Alcohol and Drugs in general are for lazy people who for all intents and purposes want to escape from their lives to be someone else. The bi-product of that is an altered state of mind that often gets people addicted and makes them do things they wouldn't normally do. Alcohol alters people to the point that they drink it to form a completely different personality to get people to like them. Which is laughable to me. Alcohol can ruin families, and it makes people more violent or so stupid that they end up harming themselves. It's just not safe at all. Honestly I feel that if any drug at all is banned then Alcohol should be right along with it. Alcohol is worse than weed. At least lazy potheads just lay on their couch and do nothing. Alcoholics think they have to drive to get home and end up killing people. I just think alcoholism is ridiculous.

 

[Commander]

Okay.

Today I'm converting to Tolkienism. If there are no facts to disprove the writings in the Old Testament/New Testament, then surely believing that Man was once among Elves and fiendish orcs, and had to fight against the Great Evil (Melkor/Morgoth), and our continents were once arranged as Middle Earth was because of continental drift is about as equally valid as believing some political activist who couldn't keep his mouth shut long enough to not get nailed to a tree was the Son of God and that the world is only 8000 years old.

I bet you given enough remove from its source; say 200-300 years, Tolkien's work will be viewed as a true account, spoken to him through Eru Illuvitar, just as the Bible was the Word of God through those who penned it for Man.

If this sounds silly, then I've got news for you.

I find this ironic, considering that Tolkien and C.S. Lewis (who were best friends) were both Christians, and much like C.S. Lewis' Narnia, Lord Of The Rings reflects Tolkien's Catholic worldview.
Tolkien was the one who introduced C.S. Lewis to Christianity.

The illuminati and messed up things in our music and media in general

Dude, you have no idea how on point this is.
I work in this f***ed up industry, and there's TONS of shady shit that goes on behind the scenes to support that idea.
I'm not one for saying that I believe in records playing backwards giving demonic messages, because that crap is up to interpretation, and you hear what you want to hear.
When artists drop from the limelight from one day to the next, because he \ she doesn't comply with the record company (and it's happened many times), it's too much of a coincidence to just say "Oh well, it happens."

I'm not saying that the Illuminati is responsible for deaths in the entertainment industry, but they sure as hell are responsible for lots of the shady shit that goes on, fame-wise.

 

[Eks]

I also am just neutral to gay marriage/abortion issues. If that makes sense.

Actually, it doesn't really make sense. If you believe something, you're not neutral on it. You believe one way or the other.

I realize it's the "cool" thing to say you don't believe in god today, but I don't care I guess I'm just not cool.

I don't believe anything based on its social benefits, but I'm pretty sure that most people are still believers, so how you can say it's cool to be an atheist is beyond me. Yeah, on the internet it might be, but in the real world, it's not at all cool.

The media, textbooks, teachers, music all tell us not to believe in god.

What textbooks or teachers tell people there is no god? Science doesn't say anything about god, so it's solely on the student to extrapolate such a conclusion.

People will believe what they want to believe and that's that.

Ummm... faith is how people believe "what they want" because having faith in something means to believe something without evidence and a lot of times in spite of the evidence. I don't believe what I want; I believe whatever makes the most sense based on the facts and evidence.

Honestly, if this world is all that we get, then that would really suck. Backstabbers, robbers, murderers, rapists, thugs, gangs, POLITICIANS, I would much rather have faith in Jesus than a lot of things on this earth.

It's BECAUSE this is the only life that I want to make the most of it. Most of the people you mention (especially politicians) tend to be Christians, so that's some fun irony.

Also my final point, and this will be heavily controversial. I believe that Alcohol and Drugs in general are for lazy people who for all intents and purposes want to escape from their lives to be someone else. The bi-product of that is an altered state of mind that often gets people addicted and makes them do things they wouldn't normally do. Alcohol alters people to the point that they drink it to form a completely different personality to get people to like them. Which is laughable to me. Alcohol can ruin families, and it makes people more violent or so stupid that they end up harming themselves. It's just not safe at all. Honestly I feel that if any drug at all is banned then Alcohol should be right along with it. Alcohol is worse than weed. At least lazy potheads just lay on their couch and do nothing. Alcoholics think they have to drive to get home and end up killing people. I just think alcoholism is ridiculous.

Anyone who knows anything about drugs and alcohol knows that alcohol can be a dangerous substance. This isn't controversial at all.

 

[Love Cowboy]

What textbooks or teachers tell people there is no god? Science doesn't say anything about god, so it's solely on the student to extrapolate such a conclusion.

I'm glad to see at least someone on here realizes this as I do. To assume that science does say something about God is a rampant mistake by BOTH sides of the argument.

 

[Critical-Limit]

I don't believe anything based on its social benefits, but I'm pretty sure that most people are still believers, so how you can say it's cool to be an atheist is beyond me. Yeah, on the internet it might be, but in the real world, it's not at all cool.

Funny story about this, my job held a meeting and they all made us do a prayer, I was the only one who didn't do it and it was extremely awkward.

It's hard on me because I don't want my higher ups to make judgements on me based on this and stagnate me from being able to move up. I have confidence my work ethic is strong enough to override this though.

I didn't realize how alone I was in my beliefs until we held that meeting lol.

 

[Eks]

Funny story about this, my job held a meeting and they all made us do a prayer, I was the only one who didn't do it and it was extremely awkward.

It's hard on me because I don't want my higher ups to make judgements on me based on this and stagnate me from being able to move up. I have confidence my work ethic is strong enough to override this though.

I didn't realize how alone I was in my beliefs until we held that meeting lol.

If you have facebook, post this and see what people think:


And to CF7 (since I forgot in my last post), I think religion is for intellectually dishonest people because they don't continually research their beliefs. They find a few "facts" that mesh with the conclusion they reached even before finding said facts, and when someone points out the gaps in their beliefs, they pull the faith card.

 

[Freyith]

I find this ironic, considering that Tolkien and C.S. Lewis (who were best friends) were both Christians, and much like C.S. Lewis' Narnia, Lord Of The Rings reflects Tolkien's Catholic worldview.
Tolkien was the one who introduced C.S. Lewis to Christianity.
.

There's a good reason I picked LOTR as the crux of my example.

 

[THE JOHNNY ROOK]

I guess I believe in aliens. I worked with an illegal one. Thick accent.

 

[BBBLP]

There may be A god, but it sure as shit isn't THAT god.

I love Eks so much.




I believe that if one is bored in line at the DMV, auto fellatio should be permitted, if not encouraged with how-to signs.
And I believe in regulations on how many children a family can have.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law!
-Aleister Crowley

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the only scripture that matters!

 

[de_nhoj]

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law!
-Aleister Crowley

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the only scripture that matters!

So you're in favor of hedonism?

 

[Commander]

When you don't have solid evidence of something, the only way you can believe it is to assume it.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here:

The scientific community also tends to assume many things.
There have been MANY times in which the scientific community makes a hypothetical guess as to what could be the cause of something (which may or may not be), so they just assume that it's one thing, and try to push that belief onto everyone else as fact.

 

[Eks]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here:

The scientific community also tends to assume many things.
There have been MANY times in which the scientific community makes a hypothetical guess as to what could be the cause of something (which may or may not be), so they just assume that it's one thing, and try to push that belief onto everyone else as fact.

Don't know of any contemporary instances of this, but if/when they do this, the "scientists" that do this are just as bad as Creation "scientists".