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Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

They Nerfed Skarlet's Back Grab, Yet They Still Left Freddy's Back Grab At 17%. With His Enhanced Specials, It's Really Easy To Pull Off His Back Grab.

Freddy Is The Only One With The 17% Back Grab.

Everyone Should Have Their Grabs At 11-12% Damage, Regardless Of The Situation.

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Cyrax's 100% Buzzsaw Trap Combo Now Doesn't Connect, Leaving It At Around 48% Damage.

They Still Haven't Slowed Down Kabal's Gas Blast Recovery. Since It Still Can Be Done 5 Times In The Air, And Can Be Spammed Alongside The Buzzsaw. Any Non-Teleporting Character Will Be Eaten By This.

I Still Cannot Believe They Made Kano's Knife Throw Recovery Faster, They Should Of Made It Have Less Damage Instead.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

Man Eater said:
I don't understand the need to nerf Skarlet's dagger toss cancel. There was nothing wrong with the dash cancel SMH. Didn't think her back throw needed a nerf since her damage output is relatively hard to get since her juggles are easy to see coming. The only good outcome was her dash into up+3
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you obviously never fought my skarlet. shes crazy fast and her pop ups are mainly to be used after her red dash. they are very fast. but that up3 after dash helps more now because with that pop up you can then 1,1, 3 dash, lift uppercut 42% damage
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

Darklink95 said:
What was jades big surprise?
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Well she got sort of a buff in her EX Boomerang. Even if it's blocked the first time around, it comes back for a second hit. But I can't stand that you are now able to crouch-block her U3. FFS, LEAVE JADE ALONE NRS.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

noobs shadow charge is an overhead? fullscreen 50/50's...>.>

god...im gonna get even more hatemail now lol.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

TesusJits said:
Well she got sort of a buff in her EX Boomerang. Even if it's blocked the first time around, it comes back for a second hit. But I can't stand that you are now able to crouch-block her U3. FFS, LEAVE JADE ALONE NRS.
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Wow she gets a ton of MAJOR buffs and you're whining about a tiny little nerf on one move that isn't even all that useful. C'mon man.

You wanted NRS to "leave Jade alone" so she'd remain scraping the bottom of the tier list? C'mon
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

popmaster501 said:
Wow she gets a ton of MAJOR buffs and you're whining about a tiny little nerf on one move that isn't even all that useful. C'mon man.

You wanted NRS to "leave Jade alone" so she'd remain scraping the bottom of the tier list? C'mon
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Um... whining? I haven't noticed any major buffs until I read about the boomerang today. I've used Jade since day one and never noticed a thing wrong with her, she just fine to me. Yes, they need to leave her alone. I'm rockin the bottom of the tier list. Keep her the way she is and I'll always find a way to get around. Aaaand what are the major buffs again?
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

DarKNaTaS said:
• Added a few frames of armor to the beginning of her Enhanced shadow kick
• Added a few frames of armor to the beginning of her Enhanced staff overhead
• Fixed a case where sometimes when defeating the first opponent in a tag match with Jade’s throw the incoming partner could land a free hit
• All of Jade's Enhanced Boomerangs (Reboomerang) will now return when the first hit is blocked.
• Jade’s Staff Grab is slightly safer when blocked.
• Jade’s U3 attack (Pole Vault) can be ducked.
• Jade’s 4,F3 kick (Polecat) is safer when blocked.
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The buffs outweigh the nerfs imo.
 
TesusJits said:
Um... whining? I haven't noticed any major buffs until I read about the boomerang today. I've used Jade since day one and never noticed a thing wrong with her, she just fine to me. Yes, they need to leave her alone. I'm rockin the bottom of the tier list. Keep her the way she is and I'll always find a way to get around. Aaaand what are the major buffs again?
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I agree. I think jade was one of the few balanced characters in the game so I don't see why she was touched. she didn't receive MAJOR buffs but she did get alot of decent buffs, but it definitely wasn't a big surprise. u3 whiffing on crouching characters is weird tho, but its nothing to worry about. I was hoping they would buff her normals and make them a little faster, but I'm ok with the buffs she recieved
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

popmaster501 said:
Wow she gets a ton of MAJOR buffs and you're whining about a tiny little nerf on one move that isn't even all that useful. C'mon man.

You wanted NRS to "leave Jade alone" so she'd remain scraping the bottom of the tier list? C'mon
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They aren't so major... And U3 is SUPREMELY useful if you know how to use it...
And she is low tier, but she is not 'scraping the bottom of the tier list'
I don't care if she ever raises on the list or even lowers, I don't care what dumb lists have to say about my main
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

FatalityRay90 said:
I agree. I think jade was one of the few balanced characters in the game so I don't see why she was touched. she didn't receive MAJOR buffs but she did get alot of decent buffs, but it definitely wasn't a big surprise. u3 whiffing on crouching characters is weird tho, but its nothing to worry about. I was hoping they would buff her normals and make them a little faster, but I'm ok with the buffs she recieved
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Thank you. I also was hoping for a few buffs in other places but I mean.. she's fine to me. Don't see any major problems as of yet.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

Once again,

The reason jade buffs do not help much is because if you see the enhanced boomerang and your next to jade and you block the first rang you have enough time to uppercut jade and take a trade hit rendering that use of meter pointless. they may not be able to do that far away but what's the point if jade can't get in quick enough to make use of them in a defensive state, she still lags after the move hard enough you can't really try anything fancy.

2.) pole vault was the best protect yourself move once people were pushed off your pressure and in general a safe tool. But since jades only overhead is her DB2 everyone will be spamming crouch block so this move has become A LOT worse to me.

3.) pole vault is now considering jade airborne so no more full combos on jade when they crossover JiP you in the air. Jade use to be considered grounded the whole move.
(slight buff but bot worth the loss of her usefulness of U+3.

Same for making her 4,F3 safe... Everyone is crouch blocking If they know anything about jade. And the F3 can be ducked and punished.

so we got buffs... But they wont be noticeable against a really good player. These tools will only help me rape noobs who don't know jade harder, but vs a professional, it's ultimately overall I feel like she got nerfed. The loss of u+3 usefullness was not worth these barely helpful buffs.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

Critical-Limit said:
so we got buffs... But they wont be noticeable against a really good player. These tools will only help me rape noobs who don't know jade harder, but vs a professional, it's ultimately overall I feel like she got nerfed. The loss of u+3 usefullness was not worth these barely helpful buffs.
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And there you have it.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

viOleNcE said:
How is the buff promoting turtling? Sub was too easily locked down by projectile spammers, the buff allows him to slide in and do work. It's the same reason Johnny Cage got armor on EX shadow kick. It was either give him armor on slide or allow the slide to go under as many projectiles as Reptile's slide.

I am wondering why they didn't go that way, rather than giving Reptile armor on slide that I don't feel he even needs.
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I'm not talking about his slide. I'm talking about how long his ice freezes you now. Every Sub I have fought has done nothing but ice clone and hide behind it, throwing the ice ball until I got hit. This is extremely hard for a non-teleporter.. but Skarlet got nerfed because people couldn't reach her with her dagger spam. Like wtf? Promote the upper tier and demote the lower tier is what is sounds like.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

Man Eater said:
I'm not talking about his slide. I'm talking about how long his ice freezes you now. Every Sub I have fought has done nothing but ice clone and hide behind it, throwing the ice ball until I got hit. This is extremely hard for a non-teleporter.. but Skarlet got nerfed because people couldn't reach her with her dagger spam. Like wtf? Promote the upper tier and demote the lower tier is what is sounds like.
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it's sad seeing so many spamming subs but i assure you sub can be an offensive beast.
 
Re: 9-23-2011 Patch Notes

everytime i use jade, i kick subzero's butt easily with her being able to go through projectiles.
 
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