OMG Im such a great Kung Lao and Raiden player!!!!

[Vulcan Hades]

....but that is LAG, not really them.

Yes, that's pretty much what I said.

NRS shouldn't nerf characters based on online experience, if that's what you're getting at. And I completely agree. People scream "Nerf Raiden!" because they can't punish his teleport online. But then, netcode is the real problem, not the character or the move.

Find a way to counter it.

Well, the problem is even if you find a way to counter those moves, you still can't punish them on reaction/on block because input delay + transition frames + lag = no matter how great your execution and reaction skills are, you won't be able to react early enough to punish them properly.

ex: I know I can punish Reptile's Elbow Dash on block with 1, 1 xx roll toss with Stryker because Reptile's Elbow Dash is approximately -15 on block and Stryker's standing 1 has 10 start up frames. But that doesn't mean I'll be able to punish it online. I might react 1 or 2 frames too late online.

 

[Omega-F]

To be honest, I don't have any respect for Raiden players also. It's pathetic how cheap most Raiden players play. Almost impossible to punish teleport, easy combo, superman. Rinse and repeat. There's a chance you can catch them off guard, but that stupid teleport just messes things up.

 

[FatalityRay90]

look...this is getting mad...I mean MAD annoying. I've already post something on this thread to overcome raiden and lao..and a lot of ppl liked it. I've said it once and ill say it again for the last time. Are they powerful? Yes. Are the unbeatable. NO. read my post. it'll help out a lot. how come ppl don't complain about:
-Mileena's unpredictable mixups
-Johnny's lightning fast attacks...especially up close
-Noob's corner game
-Jax's corner game
-Kratos's massive damage
-Many more
Everything I just listed are harder to act upon..harder than a hat spin, teleport, or gibberish spear that are EASILY baited and punished. Geez!!!

 

[AMES32]

To be honest, I don't have any respect for Raiden players also. It's pathetic how cheap most Raiden players play. Almost impossible to punish teleport, easy combo, superman. Rinse and repeat. There's a chance you can catch them off guard, but that stupid teleport just messes things up.

what i do if raiden tp's i jump backward it stops the grab and if u use kratos block the superman and do f4,2 hold and 4 it does massive damage and if u use kano block up ball and baraka block chop chop these are who i use i do well online against all fighters even lao is getting easier to punish because their almost all the same.

hope this helps u out if not add me on psn and i'll help u out as best i can.

complain about:
-Kratos's massive damage
-Mileena's unpredictable mixups

believe me kratos time has come and gone but i fear mileena's time is coming with evo here and with all the people using her online now she'll have her time.

sad but all to true

 

[Mileena'sDentist]

-mileena's overhead is slow. her ball roll and telekick are extremely punishable offline and on.
-johnny cage doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a high hat and low.
-noob doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low.
-jax doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low.
-kratos doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low. and he's slow as hell.
-many more. . .you get the gist of this right.

it's alright to admit kung lao is overpowered. it's alright to admit that raiden's teleport is borderline broken (or not, because he's complete ass without it). no one will think yer a 'scrub'.
lol@ comparing kratos to kung lao. . .that was funny.

 

[FatalityRay90]

-mileena's overhead is slow. her ball roll and telekick are extremely punishable offline and on.
-johnny cage doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a high hat and low.
-noob doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low.
-jax doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low.
-kratos doesn't have a spin, a teleport, a roll, a dive kick, a high hat and low. and he's slow as hell.
-many more. . .you get the gist of this right.

it's alright to admit kung lao is overpowered. it's alright to admit that raiden's teleport is borderline broken (or not, because he's complete ass without it). no one will think yer a 'scrub'.
lol@ comparing kratos to kung lao. . .that was funny.

smartass r we.? u CLEARLY didn't get the gist I was trying to say. and ur answer to my list was DUMB. u try gettin out the corner easily while fighting noob or jax. and ur sayin mileena isn't the queen on mixups.? I wasn't comparing kratos to kung lao. geez wat an idiot. lemme answer ur so called"gist".
-mileena can make her teleport safe by delaying the air sai. yes her overhead is slow...but have u never heard of setups u fool.?she's very fast and has mixups for days. and yes her roll is punishable but if it hits u..big combo
-johnny. yes he doesn't have those things. but he is still a force to be reckoned with. u try attacking him after blocking f3 3 b3, f3 1 or 1 1. try jumping in at him freely and see if u won't eat an uppercut or a flip kick, which is safe on block. and I hope u guess right after eating a nut punch becuz that's a mixup right there.
-noob. he has a teleport u fool. u go fight a good noob and get backed up in the corner. let's see how easy u get out. upknee and blackhole are his bffs in the corner.
-jax. u right. he diesnt have those. but how bout a dash punch that is IMPOSSIBLE to see coming and safe on block. how bout 3 variations of a move the is unblockable AND dash cancelable. mixup right there. and again...fight a good jax and get in the corner. that 80+ damage combo AND reset might make u feel good.
-kratos. hmm..the fact that if u do FOUR hits with him and get 30+ damage is AWESOME(sarcasm). his ex projectile does 20% DAMAGE...AND THATS JUST IF TWO OF THE THREE AAROWS HIT U. let him land a full combo on u. thank god he is slow.
-many more. the fact that if sheeva lands her stomp...ur likely to eat a combo afterwords becuz its almost impossible to do anything when u wake up from it. Scorpions ex hellfire being OTG. many more.
so yea..none of these characters have a hat spin, low/high hat throw, dive kick, teleport or spear. but u don't realize that those moves are HIGHLY punishable or baitful. so..umm..I think ur feelin stupid now. anything to say.?
u must be a noob if that was ur answer to my post. kung lao nor raiden are overpowered AT ALL. u...along with the others who complain about this need to PRACTICE. and lol@ ur comment. u really thought u had something. THAT was funny

 

[blind527]

I love Raiden and Reptile. I don't spam with Raiden, yet I find it funny how people on the mics are like "Oh god Raiden..Seriously..? All he's going to do is spam." I love Raiden, period. I don't care if people don't like him. I have a lot of his combos down, so it's not like I do spam. What gets me is that the people who see that I picked Raiden often times pick Kano. All they do is launch knives and up ball if I teleport. I just teleport, block and do a combo if they are spamming. The people that THINK I'm going to spam spam themselves? Talk about a contradiction.

 

[FatalityRay90]

I love Raiden and Reptile. I don't spam with Raiden, yet I find it funny how people on the mics are like "Oh god Raiden..Seriously..? All he's going to do is spam." I love Raiden, period. I don't care if people don't like him. I have a lot of his combos down, so it's not like I do spam. What gets me is that the people who see that I picked Raiden often times pick Kano. All they do is launch knives and up ball if I teleport. I just teleport, block, and do a combo. The people that THINK I'm going to spam spam themselves? Talk about a contradiction.

if that's how u play...then I respect u. I don't rrespect raidens plsyers who jus spam all day. but at the same time I DONT think he's overpowered. he can be beaten easily..jus like the rest of the cast.

 

[Mileena'sDentist]

smartass r we.? u CLEARLY didn't get the gist I was trying to say. and ur answer to my list was DUMB. u try gettin out the corner easily while fighting noob or jax. and ur sayin mileena isn't the queen on mixups.? I wasn't comparing kratos to kung lao. geez wat an idiot. u must be a noob if that was ur answer to my post. kung lao nor raiden are overpowered AT ALL. u...along with the others who complain about this need to PRACTICE. and lol@ ur comment. u really thought u had something. THAT was funny

i got the gist of what you were trying to say, and it was retarded.
the characters you complained of have weaknesses. mileena is the queen of mixups, but she has to WORK for her wins. i main her; i have to WORK. jax and noob have to work to get you in the corner and keep you there. ESPECIALLY jax.

kung lao is overpowered or these threads wouldn't keep popping up. he is overpowered, plain and simple. however, overpowered does not mean unbeatable. and i never said raiden was overpowered. in fact, i find his normals slow and low pokes seem to stuff his teleport- mischief.

and yes, by even bring up kratos in a discussion of kung lao's 'overpoweredness,' you were making a comparison.
hey, if yer havin problems facing kratos and his MASSIVE damage, then go PRACTISE, dumbass.

'don't be mad.'

 

[FatalityRay90]

i got the gist of what you were trying to say, and it was retarded.
the characters you complained of have weaknesses. mileena is the queen of mixups, but she has to WORK for her wins. i main her; i have to WORK. jax and noob have to work to get you in the corner and keep you there. ESPECIALLY jax.

kung lao is overpowered or these threads wouldn't keep popping up. he is overpowered, plain and simple. however, overpowered does not mean unbeatable. and i never said raiden was overpowered. in fact, i find his normals slow and low pokes seem to stuff his teleport- mischief.

and yes, by even bring up kratos in a discussion of kung lao's 'overpoweredness,' you were making a comparison.
hey, if yer havin problems facing kratos and his MASSIVE damage, then go PRACTISE, dumbass.

'don't be mad.'

ur a dumbass lol. go read my edit. lao is not overpowered. no one is mad at all...trust. but hey..if u cant beat lao...then that's you lol. maybe mk isn't for u. I really like ppl like u...tbe ones who have balls online ha. I hope u have a ps3 as I will gladly prove my point.

all of ermacs combos deal well over 40%damage. his telelift can hit u from half screen. his telepush can can hit u from almost full screen. comboing to his xray barely has damage scaling. is he overpowered?
kitana can do THREE stun(scorps spear, subz ice)moves before even launching up in the air and CONTINUING her combo. she can launch u, neutral jump u for another pop and, combo into her fan, combo into her fan again, and then combo into uprise AND U WONT FALL OUT OF IT, and she can combo in her fans again TWICE after that, and then finish the combo. does that make her overpowered?
Jade can walk right thru attacks with her shadow flash, physical or projectile? is she overpowered? I'm sure u get my point...

Please use the edit button, please, thanks! =)

 

[AMES32]

hay i'll gladly show any one kratos isn't just a one two punch ray90 has fought my kratos and even tho i lost it was a great match and went the distance and was a close one.

lao give's me trouble here and there but mileena's mix up's kill my whole move set with kratos.

 

[FatalityRay90]

hay i'll gladly show any one kratos isn't just a one two punch ray90 has fought my kratos and even tho i lost it was a great match and went the distance and was a close one.

lao give's me trouble here and there but mileena's mix up's kill my whole move set with kratos.

thank you ames. I remember you lol. that was a good fight. but u do have to admit that kratos damage output is a little off the charts lol. and thank you on agreeing with mw about mileenas mixups. so clearly mileena is harder for you than lao lol. that's wat I'm trying to say.

the fact that EVERYBODY uses raiden and lao should make them very beatable. we all kno wat they are going to do when you fight them. so jusr bait and punish. that's all I'm tryin to say. but some smartass(@mileenadoctor) thinks he knows shit. lao and raideb are NOT OVERPOWERED

 

[Camoufrage]

thank you ames. I remember you lol. that was a good fight. but u do have to admit that kratos damage output is a little off the charts lol. and thank you on agreeing with mw about mileenas mixups. so clearly mileena is harder for you than lao lol. that's wat I'm trying to say.

the fact that EVERYBODY uses raiden and lao should make them very beatable. we all kno wat they are going to do when you fight them. so jusr bait and punish. that's all I'm tryin to say. but some smartass(@mileenadoctor) thinks he knows shit. lao and raideb are NOT OVERPOWERED

Being able to beat a character doesn't stop them from being overpowered.

I can beat them just fine. I still consider them overpowered, you are misinterpreting the term. If something is overpowered it is more powerful then it should be, not "OMG IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT".

 

[FatalityRay90]

Being able to beat a character doesn't stop them from being overpowered.

I can beat them just fine. I still consider them overpowered, you are misinterpreting the term. If something is overpowered it is more powerful then it should be, not "OMG IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT".

you have your definition. I have mine. idk how u can still think of them as overpowered if u can beat them with ease...as you say. and the fact the there have been countless of patches and they've been tuned means nothing I guess. they were OP in the beginning I agree..when hat spin was safe on block, when 2 teleport 2 was a infinite for lao, when 3 1 2 and 3 3 4 were safe and had frame advantage on block, when whiffing air gibberish spear recovered insanely fast. that OP. but all if the above have been either nerfed or removed..making the game more balanced. but hey..if u think theyre still OP, Then that's you

 

[Camoufrage]

you have your definition. I have mine. idk how u can still think of them as overpowered if u can beat them with ease...as you say. and the fact the there have been countless of patches and they've been tuned means nothing I guess. they were OP in the beginning I agree..when hat spin was safe on block, when 2 teleport 2 was a infinite for lao, when 3 1 2 and 3 3 4 were safe and had frame advantage on block, when whiffing air gibberish spear recovered insanely fast. that OP. but all if the above have been either nerfed or removed..making the game more balanced. but hey..if u think theyre still OP, Then that's you

Something being overpowered means it's powered over the norm. I don't know how the term could explain itself any better. Doesn't mean hard to beat, or impossible to beat, or has cheap moves. It means it is more powerful then it should be.

If you believe people have different perceptions as to what overpowered means, then why are you being a complete butthead and raging all over them and implying that they don't know anything when they express this?

 

[FatalityRay90]

Something being overpowered means it's powered over the norm. I don't know how the term could explain itself any better. Doesn't mean hard to beat, or impossible to beat, or has cheap moves. It means it is more powerful then it should be.

If you believe people have different perceptions as to what overpowered means, then why are you being a complete butthead and raging all over them and implying that they don't know anything when they express this?

I'm not ragin on no one. I didn't rage on u right? I only raged on mileenasdoctor because he came at me foul. and idk if u or the rest of the workd thibk they're OP. there NOT but if you guys still think so then ok. I find it annoying that ppl can't just block, bait or punish. I could rage out on you since your coming at me wrong. but I won't. u clearly didn't see my 1st post on this thread. it was a very helpful post that a lot of ppl like. so me being rude to one person who camr at me wrong 1st DOESNT make me a butthead(who still says that. wat r u 12?)

 

[Camoufrage]

I'm not ragin on no one. I didn't rage on u right? I only raged on mileenasdoctor because he came at me foul. and idk if u or the rest of the workd thibk they're OP. there NOT but if you guys still think so then ok. I find it annoying that ppl can't just block, bait or punish.

It's not that we can't. Why do we have to go out of our way and do something different JUST to beat A Kung Lao or Raiden? How's that?

 

[Fox17]

Is the hat, the hats are the secret to the Overpower! lol

 

[FatalityRay90]

It's not that we can't. Why do we have to go out of our way and do something different JUST to beat A Kung Lao or Raiden? How's that?

it doesn't matter who you r or who ur opponent is. u have to go out of ur way to fight ANY character in the game depending who you are. example: if ur johnny and ur fighting sonya, that's an even fight. but johnny fighting noob, johnny has to go out of his way to win. is noob overpowered? ur putting up a nice argument man..but u can't change my mind. raiden and Lao r NOT overpowered

 

[Mileena'sDentist]

ur a dumbass lol. go read my edit. lao is not overpowered. no one is mad at all...trust. but hey..if u cant beat lao...then that's you lol. maybe mk isn't for u. I really like ppl like u...tbe ones who have balls online ha. I hope u have a ps3 as I will gladly prove my point.

christ alive, yer not understanding my point.
'he is overpowered, plain and simple. however, overpowered does not mean unbeatable.'
do you understand what this means? i already said in an earlier post that i have no real trouble against kung laos anymore because they play overly aggressive and love to spin(but then again, i've never played a skilled one, so. . .)
as for me having balls online: this is a video game! this isn't serious enough for me to boast or complain. mk is not my life. it's not even a hobby. it's a. . .video game.

I only raged on mileenasdoctor because he came at me foul.

i didn't come at you foul; read my first post in reply to yours, then read your reply to me. you started the name calling. if you misinterpreted my first post as snarky, i apologise.

oh, and i have a ps3.