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You bring up stryker defeating Ermac and Kintaro. Cyber Sub-Zero beat Goro and Kintaro AT THE SAME TIME. They were obviously trying to make his arse look good. You guys can tell me a lot of stuff, but you cannot tell me they weren't intentionally making him look like the ultimate good guy in his chapter to get more people on his side. It was waaaay too obvious. It worked to an extent but most people called out that crap as soon as they seen it.
Subz

C'mon now

I'm really not buying this act you're putting on or whatever that what you've just said is just SO obvious for everyone besides you and Araknyd and maybe a few others to "pick up on". Maybe you've found a way to convince yourself of what you've said, but I don't think I'll be doing the same, sorry

So what exactly is Cyber Suz supposed to do, in your opinion? Cyber Subz can't have his moments of badassery (i.e. defeating Goro and Kintaro)? He can't perform good deeds? Is there a limit on how many good things he can do to you or something?

Understand that I'm not saying this to bash you or anything of that sort; either your logic is extremely flawed, or the bias in this is so thinly veiled and easy to see through it's almost embarrassing. This just seriously sounds like you simply not being to able fully accept the reality that a character you dislike so much actually did something useful and good in the story, so you're just trying to justify those statements to us in a way that doesn't come off as biased. Well, to be blunt... it's not working so try something else
 
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Subz

C'mon now

I'm really not buying this act you're putting on or whatever that what you've just said is just SO obvious for everyone besides you and Araknyd and maybe a few others to "pick up on". Maybe you've found a way to convince yourself of what you've said, but I don't think I'll be doing the same, sorry

So what exactly is Cyber Suz supposed to do, in your opinion? Cyber Subz can't have his moments of badassery (i.e. defeating Goro and Kintaro)? He can't perform good deeds? Is there a limit on how many good things he can do to you or something?

Understand that I'm not saying this to bash you or anything of that sort; either your logic is extremely flawed, or the bias in this is so thinly veiled and easy to see through it's almost embarrassing. This just seriously sounds like you simply not being to able fully accept the reality that a character you dislike so much actually did something useful and good in the story, so you're just trying to justify those statements to us in a way that doesn't come off as biased. Well, to be blunt... it's not working so try something else

Go on over to MK online and look up any cyber subz argument. Look up on testyourmight, and there are people there that say the same thing. Hell even some casual sites like gamespot have people saying it. This is not just something thought up. I bet if you look back far enough you can find them on trmk too. It has been said by others, I'm not going to look up every single in post just to look for it though.

Cyber Subz could have still been good without being overly good. It's the little details. Hell, the lines they gave him were awesome enough to make you fall in love with him as it is.

"My soul was corrupted, now it is cleansed"
"You're right we are not brothers etc..."

That would not have been overly good guy and still could have just been making cyber subz a good character. That was plain good character development

Awaking and wanting to change his ways. Good character development. It's reasonable that he would want to become a little better if he almost died or suffered severe trama.

Hell, the whole portion with Noob made him look waaaay cool.

Those portions alone made him a good character. NRS didn't stop there though.


Having him beat the two main sub-bosses in one round. Red Flag

Saving the armed forces. Red Flag.

Why couldn't he have just came upon Kano, Kintaro, and Goro and forced intel out of them? The soldiers just seemed out of place, but Oh Cyber subz to the rescue to save them. He's an american hero. Come on guys? I realize that some of my stuff is bias. I hate the bastard, but for you guys to ignore those little details like that is just going in blind.

He definitely could have came across as a good guy without being overly good, and them trying to make him overly bada** like they did. I remember all kinds of people saying whoa he beat Kintaro and Goro he must be a bad motherer.

Like I said again look up on other boards, this stuff ain't made up.

That's rational stuff up there I'm not just making it up, here's what you guys really want apparently though. I hate the bastard I admit. Is that what you guys want? He could have the best story since sliced bread and I would hate his a** because he's came into a storyline that I grew up with, and I don't think he's welcome. I also felt that they could have changed MANY other things, but because Cyber subz was so obvious they went with it. It seemed lazy, uninspired, forced shock value, and it wasn't really wanted in the first place by anyone. So what I may think of the story. You guys are so right, every one of you. Since that seems to be what you want to hear. So, so, so right. However, regardless of story. I hate him. That's what you said you wanted Critical. I hate the bastard, HAAAAAAATTTTTEEEEE Him. Not wanted. Leave. That's how I feel about him. Also to throw this out. If you throw my ideas out so easily ya know. Why argue them anyway? I mean it's crazy to argue like this as long as you have, and I still call bullcrap. To argue as hard as you have and for sooo many pages, I still say one or two of you like Cyber subz better and are fans. Otherwise you would have just said whatever a long time ago.

Also, since he's dead it does seem more likely he will come back human. I'm not going to budge on that. He died along with other characters and it seems more likley that ALL of them will be back human. Where you guys get him coming back as a cyborg seems the more likely option just dumbfounds me because it doesn't seem more likely. He died for a reason, Just sayin.

I'm done arguing this it's tiring. You're not going to tell me that the bastard is better, storywise, appearance wise, personality wise, or any other way. So let's drop it. You guys got your opinions I got mine. I'm not arguing with 3-4 people anymore it's tiring as hell, and by the time I get one thing posted i've got 2 more to answer too. It ain't worth it. You guys are right, right, right. So darn right.
 
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I know you said that you're done arguing, but I want to make a few seperate points before addressing a particular part of your post and then I should be done:

If Cyber Sub Zero comes back human, then you should bring back Jax with regular arms and unscarred Kabal, as well

Either that, or you'll have come up with some convoluted explanation as to why Cyber Sub Zero can come back "normal" again but Jax and Kabal can come back the same way that they were before

Because "BUT HE WAS HUMAN AT FIRST AND HE DIED SO HE'S GONNA REVERT BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL FORM" ain't gonna cut it as an argument, and I'll tell you a few reasons why

When they showed Sub-Zero's soul in the Netherrealm, what version of him did you see? You saw his cyborg version. Not his human version. So it's pretty safe to assume that's how he's going to come back in the story as a cyborg. Cyber Sub-Zero is Sub-Zero now; why would he not come back as what he is currently? Now that Smoke's dead, should he also come back as a straight up human this time instead of just being an enenra? Because he was originally a human, too, you know

Lastly, I continued to argue simply because I found it interesting. However, I was more focused on countering your own arguments rather than defend the character in question. I was trying to argue from an objective point of view; I try not to involve my personal feelings and opinions into arguments like these unless necessary
 
I really want more unique stages! I don't like how they just altered one stage to make another one but with just a night and day difference. One stage should just switch itself from day to night. Why make two?

Also, I really want EVERY character to get a 'chapter' in story mode. I hate how they had Mileena on most of their advertisement prior to release, but when the game came out she was only in the story mode for about 6 minutes...
 
I have to agree. I personally thought it was stupid that you only played as the good/neutral guys in story mode.

At least in MKvsDC you got to play as the villains in some parts.
 
You may call that a "cookie-cutter" good guy (which isn't really true because it's not like he went out of his way to save a little child from a burning building or something).

But I call that character development.


Cyber Sub-Zero pandering to the post-911 crowd is utter bull-shit, IMO.
It would have been just as impactful as if he were to "save a child from a burning building," as you put it.

There are lots of people that still have relatives and loved ones fighting in Afghanistan and deployed in Iraq, so YES they were catering him as a cookie-cutter good guy, and tugging on people's heart strings to get them to like Cyber Sub-Zero more.
That part with the soldiers was practically OOZING with "Please, please like me," to the American fans, because NRS knew that they would piss off A LOT of the fan base with that move.
 
Lol a bit on saving soldiers before 9/11.

Legit



Do a bit on saving soldiers 10+ years after 9/11? Everyones catering toward 9/11 people for an agenda.

With this logic no one is allowed to save soldiers in movies or shows and what not. Because its catering BS?
Just saying

They knew they would piss them off? I don't think they'd intentionally piss off the people that give them a job.
 
Lol a bit on saving soldiers before 9/11.

Legit



Do a bit on saving soldiers 10+ years after 9/11? Everyones catering toward 9/11 people for an agenda.

With this logic no one is allowed to save soldiers in movies or shows and what not. Because its catering BS?
Just saying

They knew they would piss them off? I don't think they'd intentionally piss off the people that give them a job.


It IS pandering to the people.
That scene with the soldiers didn't need to be there AT ALL.
They could have had that same scene, minus the soldiers, where Cyber Sub-Zero sees Kano, Kintaro and Goro heading for the Soulnado, and he stops them before they get there.
Just saying.

And yes, companies do radical things from time to time for "Shock Value".
Anyone remember the whole Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles crap with Michael Bay or the stupid ghetto robots in Transformers?
 
Shock value does not = piss off fans intentionally



The scene let's me know the army is fighting the invasion just as hard. And it let's me know CSZ isnt a end result calculator like raiden can sometimes be.

When I saw that scene I didn't see " please like me" I think your own mind put that there because of how pissed you are about his existence.



Anytime anyone does a good deed now I'm just gonna think oh man their intention is to make me like them because otherwise I automatically wouldn't.

Johnny cage saved the military *wink*

Sonya almost got killed by Kano just saying.
 
Shock value at times can = piss off the fans.
Whether it was intentional or not is yet to be known, because I haven't asked Ed Boon directly, or seen anyone question him about it.

Sonya and Jax = Special Forces like the CIA, FBI etc, etc, etc.
NOT SOLDIERS.
Jax and Sonya aren't dressed in military uniforms in MK9, as the soldiers were in the Cyber Sub-Zero part of the story.
TO ME, it felt like NRS was pleading with people to like Cyber Sub, by throwing than in.

Why couldn't it have been normal civilians that were captured by Goro, Kintaro and Kano and Shao Kahn's forces?
Why did it have to be soldiers?
I'm pretty sure that when they were terrorizing New York City, at some point, there were civilians that could have been captured.


When I saw that scene I didn't see " please like me" I think your own mind put that there because of how pissed you are about his existence.

Let me know if you feel the same way when you have a relative or good friend fighting in the Armed Forces, and you don't know if they're coming back alive.
It's the same reason that I don't buy military games or first person shooters.
It hits close to home for me.
 
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Point is you Said "they knew they would piss off fans"

How do you know? Are you friends with the developers?

You also assume the reason of Something. You can tell me what you "think" but don't state it as fact.


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Um dude special forces is a division in the marines...

Do your homework.
 
You also assume the reason of Something. You can tell me what you "think" but don't state it as fact.

Which is why I also said this:
Araknyd_Commander said:
TO ME, it felt like NRS was pleading with people to like Cyber Sub, by throwing than in.



Point is you Said "they knew they would piss off fans"

You kill off one of THE MOST iconic characters of Mortal Kombat, to create an abomination, and really don't expect a back-lash from it?
REALLY???
Are you kidding me???

NRS had to know to SOME extent that this would cause mayhem.
 
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Araknyd I've lost 2 friends in the war in afghanistan and one friend that came back completely different and a lot more emotionless and non sympathetic he sees anyone that complains about anything as a b-word because he's been through worse don't cry to him about your double shift.
 
Araknyd I've lost 2 friends in the war in afghanistan and one friend that came back completely different and a lot more emotionless and non sympathetic he sees anyone that complains about anything as a b-word because he's been through worse don't cry to him about your double shift.

People cope with things differently.
It broke my heart to see my aunt cry herself to sleep because she didn't know if her son was coming home alive.
If it makes me a b**** for caring about my cousin coming home alive, then I'm sorry, but that's a warped douchebag point-of-view.


Araknyd read your last sentence on your reply to overlord.

That was your original post that I was talking about.


As I said:

You kill off one of THE MOST iconic characters of Mortal Kombat, to create an abomination, and really don't expect a back-lash from it?
REALLY???
Are you kidding me???

NRS had to know to SOME extent that this would cause mayhem.
 
Him being an abomination is your opinion. And your applying your opinion into them intentionally making you angry for a shock value.

So once again, your assuming things. And gonna ask me if I'm kidding you as if I'm ignorant or something.


Also...

No one called you a B word for worrying about your cousin.
That whole thing was about war and how it changed my surviving friend into a more emotionaless person. He killed alot if people over there.

I'm just saying when you go to him and say something like "man I'm so tired from being in the sun for 4 hours

He's gonna remember the time he drove in full gear with no AC and barely any water and fought a battle for 16 hours he gets back to base and they send him right back out. So all he hears out of your mouth when you complain about 4 hours in the sub slightly pisses him off.
 
Him being an abomination is your opinion. And your applying your opinion into them intentionally making you angry for a shock value.

So once again, your assuming things. And gonna ask me if I'm kidding you as if I'm ignorant or something.


Of course him being an abomination is MY opinion, but in all seriousness, did NRS really think that there WASN'T going to be a back-lash from killing him off like that?
Come on.
He IS the other face of Mortal Kombat (The other being Scorpion).


Also...

No one called you a B word for worrying about your cousin.
That whole thing was about war and how it changed my surviving friend into a more emotionaless person. He killed alot if people over there.

I'm just saying when you go to him and say something like "man I'm so tired from being in the sun for 4 hours

He's gonna remember the time he drove in full gear with no AC and barely any water and fought a battle for 16 hours he gets back to base and they send him right back out. So all he hears out of your mouth when you complain about 4 hours in the sub slightly pisses him off.


When did I ever complain about any of that stuff, in the first place???
Where did I say that?
 
Cyber Sub-Zero pandering to the post-911 crowd is utter bull-shit, IMO.
It would have been just as impactful as if he were to "save a child from a burning building," as you put it.

There are lots of people that still have relatives and loved ones fighting in Afghanistan and deployed in Iraq, so YES they were catering him as a cookie-cutter good guy, and tugging on people's heart strings to get them to like Cyber Sub-Zero more.
That part with the soldiers was practically OOZING with "Please, please like me," to the American fans, because NRS knew that they would piss off A LOT of the fan base with that move.
And exactly why do you think you know NRS' intentions so well as to say shit like this? Like they're actually true?

You're just grasping at straws now and making connections that shouldn't even be relevant to this discussion
 
And exactly why do you think you know NRS intentions so well as to say shit like they're actually true?

You're just grasping at straws now and making connections that shouldn't even be relevant to why you dislike Cyber Sub-Zero

Why do you think you know NRS intentions as to say it isn't true?
I'm just stating what it comes off as looking like.
By comparison, the dude who walks down the beach with his younger, cuter brother may be legitimately walking by a group of girls who happen to take notice, or he may come off as trying to use his baby brother to talk to cute girls.
Either way, to someone who is looking from the outside, it may look like he's using it as a ploy to talk to the girls.

Same goes with Cyber Sub-Zero and the scene with the soldiers.
An outsider who doesn't work at NRS could look at that scene and could either say "He's being heroic" or "It's a ploy to garner more attention to the characters by using the soldiers."

I'm saying that I believe that it's the latter.
Please read my previous comments and don't assume that I'm stating fact.

I even stated in one of my replies that "TO ME," it felt like they were doing it to get the fans to like the character more.
 
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