Western Black Rhino declared extinct

[ninja]

It takes a lot more than donating pocket change to stop the genocide of an entire species

At the end of the day, going to Africa to help thwart the possibility of an animal species becoming extinct is simply beyond our means. You might have had a point if we actually lived in Africa ourselves, but we don't, and there's only so much we can do when we're oceans apart.

Does that mean we don't care? Definitely not. While endangered species is a sad issue, it isn't the only concern in the world to have, especially since we're all everyday people with our own lives to lead. It's not always convenient or easy for everyone to invest their time and effort into something where our) involvement will only have minimal if any effect on the outcome, whether they care or not (which arguably would be the case with something like protesting).

Taking action on an issue would usually mean that you have concern for that issue, yeah, but that doesn't mean that the reverse has to be true

well man, first of all your pocket change in their currency is gold.. also, imagine if tons of people invested this, even if it were just their pocket change indeed or maybe ONE dollar sent each to an organization per month that's where the problem is.. suddenly this amount of money would be hundreds, thousands, millions.

I will insist that true care is with actions. take your real life for example, you can tell your mother you love her all the time but your actions to hurt her on a regular basis with your life choices (I'm talking about seriously negative things, not like slacking an extra hour to do your homework or something). most people I know claim they care about the environment and animals etc but they always actually act even against those words. you can't claim 'oh yeah I care about the environment' and even though there are trash bins all over the street whenever you wanna get rid of a piece of garbage to throw it down the street just cause it's convenient and this is something a TOO high number of people do GLOBALLY.

to sum up once again, the source of my first post, the image, was to show exactly this. we can talk all we want, we can be aware all we want and sign an online petition to save the rhinos or any animal for that matter but we would be blind and naive to assume this will actually work. actions are needed and sure you can claim when I said 'sure if you can afford it go to africa yourself' is insane but it's way less insane than all the rude responses I received earlier that were not even arguments at all. actions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, it's always been that way and it always will. last but not least, if you're into charity of any kind, in this case for animals, never think there's no need to give my 'pocket change', ANY donation is helpful

 

[Metal Overlord]

well man, first of all your pocket change in their currency is gold.. also, imagine if tons of people invested this, even if it were just their pocket change indeed or maybe ONE dollar sent each to an organization per month that's where the problem is.. suddenly this amount of money would be hundreds, thousands, millions.

Of course people donating on a mass scale would be enough to make a difference, I never said that it wouldn't be. Do you know how difficult it is to get people on a mass scale to do something like that, though?

I will insist that true care is with actions. take your real life for example, you can tell your mother you love her all the time but your actions to hurt her on a regular basis with your life choices (I'm talking about seriously negative things, not like slacking an extra hour to do your homework or something).

That still doesn't mean that I don't love her though, which is the point. Are you implying that you can't truly love someone that you hurt because it would be contradictory? Because if so, then that's a weak argument...

most people I know claim they care about the environment and animals etc but they always actually act even against those words. you can't claim 'oh yeah I care about the environment' and even though there are trash bins all over the street whenever you wanna get rid of a piece of garbage to throw it down the street just cause it's convenient and this is something a TOO high number of people do GLOBALLY.

That's all anecdotal evidence, my friend, that doesn't exactly apply on a larger scale. For all the people that you claim talk about helping the environment but supposedly don't do anything to support those words (which still doesn't mean that they don't care), there are a lot more people out there who actually do care about the natural world and always do what they can to help preserve it.

to sum up once again, the source of my first post, the image, was to show exactly this. we can talk all we want, we can be aware all we want and sign an online petition to save the rhinos or any animal for that matter but we would be blind and naive to assume this will actually work.

This is exactly the point that I was trying to get across to you. There's only so much we can do to help protect the animals, and in the end, it will most likely not have any effect on what happens to the animals. I'll say this again: that doesn't mean that people don't care, which is the basis of your argument. I can't stress this enough, it's not as clear cut as you portray it to be, and if you can't agree with that, then I'm afraid I'll have to stop here because there would no point in continuing.

actions are needed and sure you can claim when I said 'sure if you can afford it go to africa yourself' is insane but it's way less insane than all the rude responses I received earlier that were not even arguments at all. actions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, it's always been that way and it always will.

So raising awareness and signing online petitions aren't actions now?

 

[ninja]

Of course people donating on a mass scale would be enough to make a difference, I never said that it wouldn't be. Do you know how difficult it is to get people on a mass scale to do something like that, though?

That still doesn't mean that I don't love her though, which is the point. Are you implying that you can't truly love someone that you hurt because it would be contradictory? Because if so, then that's a weak argument...

That's all anecdotal evidence, my friend, that doesn't exactly apply on a larger scale. For all the people that you claim talk about helping the environment but supposedly don't do anything to support those words (which still doesn't mean that they don't care), there are a lot more people out there who actually do care about the natural world and always do what they can to help preserve it.

This is exactly the point that I was trying to get across to you. There's only so much we can do to help protect the animals, and in the end, it will most likely not have any effect on what happens to the animals. I'll say this again: that doesn't mean that people don't care, which is the basis of your argument. I can't stress this enough, it's not as clear cut as you portray it to be, and if you can't agree with that, then I'm afraid I'll have to stop here because there would no point in continuing.

So raising awareness and signing online petitions aren't actions now?

well first of all, I think lots of people are caught in the thing you said earlier, like they believe their pocket change isn't gonna do anything so a large sum that could be gathered is lost cause the majority thinks that way. it doesn't have to be a gigantic contribution for it to be helpful though.

second, for the mentioned example, I'm just trying to emphasize how actions are larger than simple talk..

third, perhaps things are different where you live but I've seen this in a few countries and when a street is full of garbage while there are trash bins well, it says something..

and last but not least, being aware isn't really an action and an online petition well.. not to be trusted to provide results. anyway, I tried to show that actions > words

 

[Metal Overlord]

well first of all, I think lots of people are caught in the thing you said earlier, like they believe their pocket change isn't gonna do anything so a large sum that could be gathered is lost cause the majority thinks that way. it doesn't have to be a gigantic contribution for it to be helpful though.

second, for the mentioned example, I'm just trying to emphasize how actions are larger than simple talk..

third, perhaps things are different where you live but I've seen this in a few countries and when a street is full of garbage while there are trash bins well, it says something..

and last but not least, being aware isn't really an action and an online petition well.. not to be trusted to provide results. anyway, I tried to show that actions > words

Trust me, I understand your argument. I understand that you value actions over words, and I'm not saying you're wrong for doing so. All I was trying to show you was that all talk but little action =/= lack of concern, which is why this argument even started in the first place

And yes, raising awareness is an action, because there's always a chance that bringing the issue to people's attention can lead them to want to become involved in doing something about it. I mean, after all, the first step to solving a problem is to know it's there, right? The same can be said about organizations that you said about petitions because we can't always trust that they'll do right by the money or even know what to do with it.

 

[THE JOHNNY ROOK]

I agree with Ninja on all his posts, no one would care if it was not made news. Why wasn't anyone caring when the Western Black Rhino was endangered? What the hell is a western black rhino anyway?

Like my Elephant Bird? Gone. The Sea Mink? Gone. The Quagga? Gone. Dodo? Duh, that is gone too. The Tyrannosaurus? Shii, don't get me started on that one.

 

[ninja]

Trust me, I understand your argument. I understand that you value actions over words, and I'm not saying you're wrong for doing so. All I was trying to show you was that all talk but little action =/= lack of concern, which is why this argument even started in the first place

And yes, raising awareness is an action, because there's always a chance that bringing the issue to people's attention can lead them to want to become involved in doing something about it. I mean, after all, the first step to solving a problem is to know it's there, right? The same can be said about organizations that you said about petitions because we can't always trust that they'll do right by the money or even know what to do with it.

even if I disagree, I respect your point of view. you gave a mature response unlike the previous flamers. the OP of the thread even wished me death basically , lol. anyway, thanks for your time to answer man

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol it's nothing ^_^

I try to show everyone and their points respect even if I don't agree with them

 

[nemesiswontdie]

even if I disagree, I respect your point of view. you gave a mature response unlike the previous flamers. the OP of the thread even wished me death basically , lol. anyway, thanks for your time to answer man

even if I disagree, I respect your point of view. you gave a mature response unlike the previous flamers. the OP of the thread even wished me death basically , lol.

even if I disagree, I respect your point of view. you gave a mature response unlike the previous flamers.

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Sooooooo.


You posted a picture of Spongebob that says "nobody cares".

Then you expect to get mature responses from us?

 

[THE JOHNNY ROOK]

I thought it was funny! Lighten' up, dude, it is just a rhino. There are a like a hundred different species of rhinos that are already or more like 3-5. It is not like we eat them anyway.

 

[Wraith]

I thought it was funny! Lighten' up, dude, it is just a rhino. There are a like a hundred different species of rhinos that are already or more like 3-5. It is not like we eat them anyway.

Damn..... now I really wanna know what rhino tastes like...

My dream of eating a Western Black burger can never come to fruition now

 

[YungQ94]

Damn..... now I really wanna know what rhino tastes like...

My dream of eating a Western Black burger can never come to fruition now

You just made this rainy day a whole lot better :rofl:

 

[Michael_Myers]

I thought it was funny! Lighten' up, dude, it is just a rhino. There are a like a hundred different species of rhinos that are already or more like 3-5. It is not like we eat them anyway.

hell,some people need rhino horn you know !!!

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

I thought the law of nature was still governed by "survival of the fittest", so why should I care about this extinction? Not the homo sapien race's fault the Western Black Rhino was not fit enough to survive...

 

[FlawlessVictor]

I thought the law of nature was still governed by "survival of the fittest", so why should I care about this extinction? Not the homo sapien race's fault the Western Black Rhino was not fit enough to survive...

To be fair, we should be concerned about the balance of nature. Driving species to extinction may mean less resources for humans. Overfishing has not only caused populations to go down, but the specimens caught also got smaller over generations. Considering the number of animal products we use in our daily lives, we should be careful or else we will end up speeding the process of our own extinction.