Trolling against special move spammers (^_~)

I personally believe in 'honor'. While online play competitive set, it is not win at all costs. I've playing many games online whether it's Madden, 2K, or Tekken. And I believe in 'honor' in all these games.

Many will say that 'honor' is one's imaginary rule or code. Which is true in a win or go home battle. All is fair in war, yes. But in casual matches it's a bit much. I mean just because I can exploit the fact that I know exactly how to recover an onside kick every kickoff doesn't mean I will in a competitive casual match online. Why? Because it lacks integrity. That makes the game no fun and gives the opposite player little chance to actually play which is uneccessary in casual gaming.

I can full-court press all game in basketball but that again is un-sportsman like of me. If I got up by 20, why continue to press? Who needs to win that badly? Ive been playing sports competitvely all my life and these are things I firmly believe in, integrity and honor. Why demoralize someone with cheap tactics with no purpose? I just dont understand it.

When I first started playing online I hated playing Kano for this reason: knife throw and upball have essentially the same button input: d,b+2 d,f+2 respectfully. It was the most frustrating fights cause these were the only things they would do. Knife throw constantly if I tele since the moves are the same essentially once I got behind them it was an auto upball. If I got close by dashblocking they resort to the upball, which was damn near unpunishable then, no inputs came out fast enough to stop it so...tele which resulted in an auto knife.

While I dont condone the complaining, and encourage others to find ways to beat certain tactics, because there are some tactics that players need to learn how to stop certain things, especially throws. Why do it the entire match? Use your other skills. If need be come back to tactic to get your W if your other skills aren't working. I personally only do this if someone is being annoying. But Dont kill the game for others.
 
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keep in mind while i have nothing against people who play honorably, you will and ARE handicapping yourself, you will be at a disadvantage so when you lose you have nobody to blame but yourself and your "honor". as ive said i play nicer with friends becuase...well...i know where they stand, but in competition or the anomynity of online the gloves are off.

playing honorably is fine, playing honorably and complaining that others do not do the same is stupid.
 
But why though? why play to break spirit? I just don't get it? I dont feel Im handicapping myself I can play dishonorably I just simply dont out of respect for the players and the game. If I play someone who is miles below me I will ease to a point where they can be comfortable playing. Allowing the chance to learn instead of tearing them apart. In all honesty other than a Ranked match it's not a win at all costs set.

I am not complaining, nor am I blaming anyone else for those loses, as I said. I am more so asking Why? Online casual matches is essentially sparring or a scrimage, why tear somebody apart here? Is it honorable when sparring to beat your sparring partner to the point he doesn't want to fight any more?

Just as a request dont put honor in quotations when you're reciting it back it seems like your are being condescending and mocking my code that I take into life rather than having a discussion. Just trying to have a good debate about ones thought process. Thanks.
 
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I faced a Reptile and I accidentally chose Kenshi (wanted to choose Rain) I spammed tele-flurry and he rage quit within the first 30 seconds.... LMAO
 
aedanwolfe said:
In response to your "I can't get around fans so its spamming" comment. Dashblock. Also in trades with iceball you win cuz you can get a combo in. One thing sub players should not be having a huge problem with are projectiles. As for th "we aren't all tourney pros" that's a copout imho. Unless a char has some hidden technique that nobody knows about then there is literally no strrat/method of play that isn't known by the community. The pros just execute them well. I hope you use this information to become a unstoppable subzero juggernaught!
But seriously...dashblock. if its not working then lrn2dashblock better :)
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Thanks for the help man, Im already a beast Sub-Zero as it is and am constantly learning to get better and master all I can with him. I will definatley keep dash blocking in mind. :)
 
Bware113 said:
But why though? why play to break spirit? I just don't get it? I dont feel Im handicapping myself I can play dishonorably I just simply dont out of respect for the players and the game. If I play someone who is miles below me I will ease to a point where they can be comfortable playing. Allowing the chance to learn instead of tearing them apart. In all honesty other than a Ranked match it's not a win at all costs set.

I am not complaining, nor am I blaming anyone else for those loses, as I said. I am more so asking Why? Online casual matches is essentially sparring or a scrimage, why tear somebody apart here? Is it honorable when sparring to beat your sparring partner to the point he doesn't want to fight any more?

Just as a request dont put honor in quotations when you're reciting it back it seems like your are being condescending and mocking my code that I take into life rather than having a discussion. Just trying to have a good debate about ones thought process. Thanks.
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its a reflection of my opinions upon a videogame. i use the quotes around the word honor because it is in fact a videogame so any sense of actual honor is silly. i do it because imo honor is something done in real life, not on a screen.

as for the rest, why go easy? cuz you might hurt a persons feelings? perhaps i had poor word useage. dont look at it as being dishonorable, look at it as not holding back. i do not know the skill level of said random online opponent, so i dont hold back.
 
I recently fought a spammer that used kitana, and i was cage. He kept throwing the fans and when i got close he just threw me. I try hard to be a fair and great player but that got me bad. He immediately left after i demanded a "yes" to a rematch. Worst match ive ever had.
 
MS3 said:
I'm embarrassed to say my Raiden was destroyed last night by the worst Scorpion player ever. He just sat on his side of the screen in crouch block. He would wait for me to do ANY TYPE OF MOVE, block, and then uppercut. If I sent a projective he would block then spear.

It was especially frustrating because I had just come from a very fastpaced match so I was expecting to get going quick, not have to figure out how to break this guys stupid gimmick. Also, I really wasn't sure how to utilize Raiden as well to beat this. I could think of a few karacters that would have had tools to win this but I felt Raiden didn't really have moves to get the guy out of crouch. At least I didn't have any. Pissed me off so much.
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This happens to me too...
 
aedanwolfe said:
its a reflection of my opinions upon a videogame. i use the quotes around the word honor because it is in fact a videogame so any sense of actual honor is silly. i do it because imo honor is something done in real life, not on a screen.

as for the rest, why go easy? cuz you might hurt a persons feelings? perhaps i had poor word useage. dont look at it as being dishonorable, look at it as not holding back. i do not know the skill level of said random online opponent, so i dont hold back.
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Even still its a little condescending.

I just realized I never truly defined a 'spammer'. I see them as a person who uses a certain set of moves in a repetitive process to ensure the other player does not get a turn with little thought of strategy.

But onto the subject. Honor is life's imaginary code person to person. Even though this may be a videogame, on a screen, you are still playing a person. I feel there should be some respect for your fellow man. I simply dont see why this sentiment cant be shared through CASUAL matches. In Ranked matches or tourney play I can see you not wanting the other person to have a turn, something to gain there. Go full throttle and never let up.

You many not know their skill level. But once you are in a match you can tell how good they are or not. Why not give them a chance to learn from their mistakes and thus become better instead suffer a huge loss that they never even had a chance to even gain something from it.
 
You ever notice sometimes when you win and the rematch screen appears and the opponent clicks yes really fast and the clicky noise KEEPS ON GOING? Is this them hitting rematch option repeatedly? That's what I always interpret it as and it annoys me making me want to not rematch.
 
Bware113 said:
Even still its a little condescending.

I just realized I never truly defined a 'spammer'. I see them as a person who uses a certain set of moves in a repetitive process to ensure the other player does not get a turn with little thought of strategy.

But onto the subject. Honor is life's imaginary code person to person. Even though this may be a videogame, on a screen, you are still playing a person. I feel there should be some respect for your fellow man. I simply dont see why this sentiment cant be shared through CASUAL matches. In Ranked matches or tourney play I can see you not wanting the other person to have a turn, something to gain there. Go full throttle and never let up.

You many not know their skill level. But once you are in a match you can tell how good they are or not. Why not give them a chance to learn from their mistakes and thus become better instead suffer a huge loss that they never even had a chance to even gain something from it.
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I explained it. If you feel its condescending your doing it wrong. I also find little use for honor outside of serving my own morals. In a real fight I wouldn't use any of this honor stuff. Throat/eyes/groin..exploit every weak point you can to stop them as fast as possible.

Also your definition of spamming is wrong ;-)

But really if you get down to it it I don't care what the other player imagines a fair fight to be. Its my personality. I play to win. So in your honor code I think that translates to me being an ******* lol
 
Groin in real life? Isnt that reserved for women fighting men? Im not kicking, punching, striking another dude in the balls but I will choke or swiftly hit him with a brick if need be and in true desperation throw dirt in their bug eyes. But groin kicks are a no-no.

May I ask whats wrong with said definition.

And when I read what you wrote with honor in quotes. I view it the same way as speaking to an arrogant atheist and they say something like 'if 'YOUR GODs' so great' etc. and so on. Not against atheism at all, I dont feel it's neccessary to mock someones true beliefs in an intellectual convo.

You play to win at the sacrifice of that persons dignity and development as a player. Why not have that person learn, get better, and improve their skill set? Thus helping the community get better as a whole.
 
I can't remember the last time I lost to a spammer. Oh yeah, 14 years ago back when I didn't know anything about fighting games. In UMK3 I used to get owned by Robo-Smoke players spamming teleport punches and spears. It seemed so godlike back then... Until I realized there was a block button. :)

Good players > spammers > scrubs > noobs


Slang Terms said:
SCRUB

Someone who is terrible at fighting games with no intentions of getting any better because they're convinced they are already good.


CHEAP

A term used by clueless scrubs when they don't know how to defend vs certain tactics.


SPAMMER

A predictable player who does the same shit over and over again. (free wins for any decent player)


STREAM MONSTER

A person who does not attend tournaments or have any real skill but hangs out on live stream chats critiquing tournament players as if they could do any better.


NEWBIE

Someone who is new to the game, but not an idiot. We are all newbies when we start playing a new game.


NOOB

An ignorant idiot that doesn't understand how the game works even if you explain it to him numerous times.
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Ok. I'm tired gotta take back what I said. I don't exactly *play to win* rather I play my own game not my opponents. If I'm trying to win I'm gonna use all the tricks given to my chosen char. However I also use online for practice in which case I am not trying to win at all.
 
Bware113 said:
Groin in real life? Isnt that reserved for women fighting men? Im not kicking, punching, striking another dude in the balls but I will choke or swiftly hit him with a brick if need be and in true desperation throw dirt in their bug eyes. But groin kicks are a no-no.

May I ask whats wrong with said definition.

And when I read what you wrote with honor in quotes. I view it the same way as speaking to an arrogant atheist and they say something like 'if 'YOUR GODs' so great' etc. and so on. Not against atheism at all, I dont feel it's neccessary to mock someones true beliefs in an intellectual convo.

You play to win at the sacrifice of that persons dignity and development as a player. Why not have that person learn, get better, and improve their skill set? Thus helping the community get better as a whole.
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I've had two hours of sleep so if I come off as snarky there be your reason :-)

And yes groin. I'm not gonna get into a fight to prove myself. It would be to defend myself/someone else. In which case the last thing on my minde would be ettiquette. The first thing on my mind is stopping the fight as fast as possible.

Your definition implies that smart effective tactics are spamming if they are *too hard* to overcome. Spamming is a predictable pattern employed with little thought. There is no real strategy.

You can view my quotes how you want. Won't change that's not what I'm saying. I explained it. Take it as that.

Dignity? Id like to show you the fatalities/babalities...

Because letting them learn doesn't help me learn. Now if someone like a friend or a player pm'd me and convinced me to help them then sure that's different. But I don't typically log onto the game to teach people.

Suffice to say we disagree. You and your honor. Me and my own personal satisfaction. Yoiurs is nicer ill give you that
 
Nah you didnt come off snarky in this reply.

But come on, a groin hit? There is reasons why this isnt allowed in a sanctioned fight. You can destroy a mans reproductive life. I personally wouldnt want to take that from someone unless it is truly a life or death situation. And to be honest, most fights aren't. I think that may be the lowest of the low just to hit someone in the groin cause you have a feeble excuse for winning a fight. There are many more ways to defend yourself in a fight than to resort to such a low tactic.

Im not asking you to change what you said but to simply inform you of how you come off, sir. Take it as such.

I can see here is where we disagree. Helping others in itself is often the best tool for learning. While passing knowledge you solidify those things you teach as well as picking up new things.
 
Hah I don't disagree with you. Its just I don't care /shrug. As for thw groin hit thing. I was talking about an actual fight not a *match* the likes of boxing or something that has established rules. In a real life threat damn right ill take away there ability to reproduce. What they get for forcing me to defend myself. If I killed them even...maybe they shouldn't of started a fight.

But mk9 already has its rules. You can't break them. So anything else is merely player associated gameplay tweaks.

If they keep trying to get up and not block my shadowcharge...ill keep sending them out to *teach* them to block. If they pm me ill explain what they should have done. (Block the shadowcharge)
 
I was talking about an actual real life fight while referring a single rule of a sanctioned fight such as boxing or something or other. I've been into plenty of fights during my lifetime. Not one have I punched someone in the groin, had it happen to me, or even witnessed it. Its just not an acceptable tactic in a fight that's not life threatening.

The example you gave of suppested 'spam' I have no problem with. In fact this makes perfect sense to me. MAKE them use R2, it's there for a reason, or do some move that gets around it or eats that shadow. For those that want to crossover all day when I get next to them; I have no problem using anti air, drop a bomb, get some room, teleport repeat. If someone doesn't have the sense to change whats obviously not working they are simply foolish and the true definition of crazy, trying the same exact thing expecting diffent results.
 
Bware113 said:
I was talking about an actual real life fight while referring a single rule of a sanctioned fight such as boxing or something or other. I've been into plenty of fights during my lifetime. Not one have I punched someone in the groin, had it happen to me, or even witnessed it. Its just not an acceptable tactic in a fight that's not life threatening.

The example you gave of suppested 'spam' I have no problem with. In fact this makes perfect sense to me. MAKE them use R2, it's there for a reason, or do some move that gets around it or eats that shadow. For those that want to crossover all day when I get next to them; I have no problem using anti air, drop a bomb, get some room, teleport repeat. If someone doesn't have the sense to change whats obviously not working they are simply foolish and the true definition of crazy, trying the same exact thing expecting diffent results.
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Im not a combative person (believe it or not lol) but if someone picked a fight with me, and i had no way out of it, id lay them out the fastest/effective way possible without regards to there personal tastes/morals/principles or physical well being. real life fighting isnt about style, rep, or honor, its about self defense. now with that in mind fighting is always a very last resort for me, cuz i dont personally want to hurt anyone. i dont get the whole "balls off limits" thing to be honest. he picked a fight with me, i want no part in said fight but have no choice. but physically threatening my well being he forfeited his right to reproduce as far as im concerned lol.

the example i gave wasnt exactly an example on spamming, it was a example of how people are stupid. at fullscreen if you get hit by a shadow tackle you HAVE to block the next one if i send another out right away or you will get hit by it again. you cant roll/jump/teleport out of that second shadow tackle.

now, if someone (it was a kang player) keeps trying to jump over it, why would i be compelled to stop? hes not learning anything by me stopping.

i used the example because it LOOKS like spam, but has a real valid use. if he wouldve blocked, id have stopped sending out back to back tackles and started a more varied zoning game.

and to be fair he pm'd me to stop using clones, i pm'd him how to overcome his problem. the fight was a bit more enjoyable after that lol.

edit: this will sound bad but i didnt limit my options to punching the groin, there is also kicking, kneeing, elbowing, grabbing, squeezing, twisting, etc. :P bahahaha
 
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