Trolling against special move spammers (^_~)

[theflashkickKid]

Honestly with any fighting game your gonna get spammers. You get in Blazblue with Tager players spamming his command grabs. You get a ton of that in SF with hadoukens, lariats and other moves. And you get in MK. Thats why they give certain characters abilties to get around that. Like stryker gets his roll toss to get around projectiles. Nightwolf gets his reflect. IT takes time to get around it. But honestly Online play for any fighting game isnt as good as playing with groups of actual competitive/tournament players.

What exactly is a well fought match?

Everyone has their own interpretation of a "Good Fight" all lands on personal preference.

 

[D0Z3R]

You guys really consider using special moves a lot is spamming?

You play smoke and you get mad because they frequently catch you with a teleport or smoke bomb? But you guys call it spamming?

You play Kabal and you consider using the dash repeatedly spam?

You dont like it when people repeat the same combos?

I hate to say it,

Dont hate the Player Hate the Game!

This is how MK games are played
Jeeze

 

[Jade]

You guys really consider using special moves a lot is spamming?

You play smoke and you get mad because they frequently catch you with a teleport or smoke bomb? But you guys call it spamming?

You play Kabal and you consider using the dash repeatedly spam?

You dont like it when people repeat the same combos?

I hate to say it,

Dont hate the Player Hate the Game!

This is how MK games are played
Jeeze

Why should people hate the game and not the player? That's silly.....It's the choice of the people to use the same moves again and again and again. If they really want to be a better player, they can take the time to learn more than one move.

The game was not made with one move for each character. It's up to the people playing to choose how to play.

 

[D0Z3R]

so next time you play someone who's using subzero just let them know its not cool to try and freeze you more than a couple of times

 

[truendymion]

Actually you should hate yourself for not training harder and learning how to block and punish your opponent lol. Ok maybe not hate yourself but practice some more.
If your opponent is spamming one move over and over again than they are predictable. Just figure out the max punish and smash them every time.

 

[RKW]

Jade, while I agree it's not alot of fun to play somebody who has no clue what they are doing and I'll usually leave after the first game if that's the case (Unless you fancy styling on/ taunting them ). I can't help but think your idea of "A well fought match" sounds like it fits right into that article when it mentions scrubs imaginary rules of honor etc. (Great article btw)

Also, I disagree about hating the player as opposed to the game. If somebodies being a douche/scrubby with keepaway tactics or whatever, it's the game that's allowing it. Any good game will have ways to put the beat down on said player and if you can't, you've only got yourself to blame.

 

[theme34xcp]

YOU still clearly dont get what i am saying. And im not gonna say it again. If you want to keep the scrub mentality, enjoy it. it doesnt matter to me what you or Kelsper or anyone else thinks. You and anyone who agrees with your failure mentality are clueless.

Your comment and your stance on whoever disagrees with you are 'clueless' and have 'failure mentality' retarded and ignorant. Just because they dont agree with you on what the stance is, doesn't make them clueless or a 'failure'.

and obviously, the saltiest of all gaming communities.

Ignorance at its best. No one here except you is being aggressive and ignorant. Your the saltiest one here, take your aggression elsewhere where it will be appreciated, like 4chan.

 

[Jade]

Let's cut out the fighting, please.

~Thanks =)

Jade, while I agree it's not alot of fun to play somebody who has no clue what they are doing and I'll usually leave after the first game if that's the case (Unless you fancy styling on/ taunting them ). I can't help but think your idea of "A well fought match" sounds like it fits right into that article when it mentions scrubs imaginary rules of honor etc. (Great article btw)

Also, I disagree about hating the player as opposed to the game. If somebodies being a douche/scrubby with keepaway tactics or whatever, it's the game that's allowing it. Any good game will have ways to put the beat down on said player and if you can't, you've only got yourself to blame.

Not sure what article you are referring to so can't comment on that.

I also think people here are taking the 'well fought match' comment incorrectly....I just mean that I don't want an entire match of spamming one move over and over again. I want to have the feeling that the other person legit tried to win by exploring other moves and not just doing the one they think will get them a win.

Again, it isn't an issue of losing against spammers.....I have beaten them many times. My gripe is just having a good match and not a spamfest. It has nothing to do with losing.....

 

[RKW]

This article - http://testyourmight.com/forum/showt...-to-Win-Part-1 - Been posted a few times on this thread.

I think the bottom line is, annihilate anybody who doesn't know how to play, a blocked special sets them up for a combo of your choice.
And if you can't do that, you should do some light reading on your character and jump into the training mode for practice.

And if styling on poor players doesn't give you a kick, I guess you best just choose high level opponents.

Frankly, I don't understand why new players would go for their specials in MK9, they are very unsafe when blocked, anyone with half a brain would stick to normals and target combo's until they can put together some semi-decent damage. This is the first MK game I've tried to play seriously, got it yesterday, finished story mode and only now I'm looking up Liu Kang's info for some training.

Half relevant: I played my first game online yesterday, guy went Kitana, all he did was jump in kick/uppercut/throw fans. I blocked and did the only combo I really know (Scorpion's BnB), look an' behold, a resounding victory to punish his repetitive moves. Followed by a Fatality for the lulz.

 

[B13-Helghast]

Honestly with any fighting game your gonna get spammers. You get in Blazblue with Tager players spamming his command grabs. You get a ton of that in SF with hadoukens, lariats and other moves. And you get in MK. Thats why they give certain characters abilties to get around that. Like stryker gets his roll toss to get around projectiles. Nightwolf gets his reflect. IT takes time to get around it. But honestly Online play for any fighting game isnt as good as playing with groups of actual competitive/tournament players.



Everyone has their own interpretation of a "Good Fight" all lands on personal preference.

BARAKA OBAMA... PRICELESS!!! Awesome avatar!

Depends on the situation, players using a move over and over cuz they don't know how to deal with you in any other way is spamming and is prolly a noob.
players using a move over and over to keep you at bay, lure you out and set you up, is zoning and prolly knows what he/she is doing.
players that use their whole arsenal and combo's and is able to punish spamming/zoning w/o effort are in my eyes skilled players. players that realize that the battle starts in the character select screen have the advantage imo, remember that and use that hidden cursor Sorry did it again, double post
I try to picture unknown online players as AI practice though, don't care about stats and fight skilled players face to face on the couch and in tournaments lol. Fighting friends online is just pure relaxing fun. Unless it's extremely laggy, then I get to tend mad when I get a diss pm when I lost to a noob cuz of lag and the simplest move doesn't seem to work right

 

[B13-Helghast]

i really hope this STAYS true... in MK vs. DC there were moves called "infinites", which were basically unblockable spam moves. there was no way to get away from them because they could be repeated before your fighter recovered from the previous blow.

but there's no superman or flash in this game, and so far i haven't heard anything about "infinites" in this game...i hope no one finds one!

Sorry dude, there are infinites out there but rest asured, they'll get patched look at Cyrax's bomb trap, not decently patched though, his MK3 retro can still pull it off though,

 

[Critical-Limit]

People need to understand not all complaints of spam
Are from people losing to it. Imagine being the best player in the world, but everyone else plays a very simple game and you can't fully explore your mass knowledge and skill and or mindgames on people because they refuse to think. Or think a moves sucks, because they got hit out of it and didn't realize that the move is used for a specific scenario only. For instance, someone using scorpions teleport gets block punished and takes a 30% combo suddenly never teleports again because he refused to learn it's true purpose. It's a counter move, a good move to continue a combo, also a decent anti projectile when predicted. Or use it when people jump at you. Cant block while you're airborne.

 

[Demetrius]

People need to understand not all complaints of spam
Are from people losing to it. Imagine being the best player in the world, but everyone else plays a very simple game and you can't fully explore your mass knowledge and skill and or mindgames on people because they refuse to think. Or think a moves sucks, because they got hit out of it and didn't realize that the move is used for a specific scenario only. For instance, someone using scorpions teleport gets block punished and takes a 30% combo suddenly never teleports again because he refused to learn it's true purpose. It's a counter move, a good move to continue a combo, also a decent anti projectile when predicted. Or use it when people jump at you. Cant block while you're airborne.

Story of Stryker's life, right here. Alot of people say all his Specials suck except his Gun Shot, but they are all very mean counters when used against a certain type of action; Grenades are to stop jumping, Roll is to stop high projectiles, gun is to limit movement, and yeah.... About the only thing I haven't found a counter for is low projectiles, which are easily avoidable anyway.

 

[SpyCake]

Spamming spammers is fun...... i have great spamming skills with Ermac... (which i use against spammers only)

 

[aedanwolfe]

The definition of a spammer depends on the person giving the definition. Players who play rushdown and think rushdown is the only legitimate form of play often claim something is spam if it requires them to do something aside from there mindless rushdown!

A player that constantly fails to block low/overhead so u keep hitting him with it often caims u spammed. Tho this line of thinking extends to more then just mixups.

Overall if its winning the only reason u have to change your tactic is if your bored. Its just important for u to adapt. If your clones are not working (noob) you better have something else up your sleeve too.

 

[UCFReiko]

Also, not every person who spams is someone who isn't very good at the game. I know there are some legit people who there who spam one main move because it's pretty much all they know but others do it because it's the only way they can win (or attempt to) or they know it's irritating and just do it to be a dick.

For me, it's not so much an issue of losing against a spammer because they aren't all that hard to beat, it's just that I enjoy good matches in general. I wont be as satisfied with winning if I destroy someone who has done one move the entire time.

Maybe I am just more serious about having good matches than others, lol.

I have to agree, i hate playing spammers even if they are easy to beat

any time i see this debate i always see "its easy, just block and then punish" which is yes the obvious solution, but it doesn't replace the fact, IMO, that its still boring. To me, its not about winning/losing. its about the actual fight. my roommate has gotten annoyed cuz I will throw a match if he starts spamming a move and try NOTHING new. I'm like clearly you just want the win and not to try anything new or branch out, so there you got the win. lol so i just stand there and let him win, lol

again the whole thing isn't about beating the opponent, its about the actual match to me. I have lost and been so impressed when the person who beat me pulled off some epic combo, i am more happy than anything. lol its so epic to me I even losing focus on playing I am so mesmerized LOL.

but when the opponent does 1 or 2 moves repeatedly, i am like why bother? especially since they gave some combos special animations. like sub zero one combo he has that ice sword he pulls out. the combos are far more impressive looking IMO.

 

[Revz]

Maybe I am just more serious about having good matches than others, lol.

No, you're just more serious in having matches playing with people who play the way you want them to.

"Spamming" is a tactic in every fighting game. If something is working why stop? I guess you could stop in fear of "being a dick" but that might cost you the round if your sense of morals kicks in at a bad time. Not once did I get a message about "spamming" Ryu's fireball in SF4, maybe because people recognize this as a genuine strat and just learn to beat it and not cry about it

I personally like to start the fight as Kano making the other person think I am a knife spammer. Then when the rush down starts they get destroyed if they don't adjust. However, if they were just jumping into my knives (or the upball) over and over I don't let up, don't see the point.

I don't see the point of having this imaginary "honor" when playing a fighting game on the internet, you should only have mercy on noobs sitting on the couch next to you, not some faceless scrub on the internet

 

[aedanwolfe]

I agree with revz in terms of online/competitive play. In competition u play to win not to look cool. Online vs random people u will find most players without this sense of "honor" so to play with honor is assinine. Now. You could say you just want the challenge of playing fair but you would be wrong. Your not playing fair. Your playing nice. I play nice with rl friends. That's it. Online if they don't want to get around my clones ill beat them and find someone who can put up a fight

 

[xFrosty]

Spamming is the use of the same moves(s) over and over again. Im sure MOST of us have established that. But for instance if your playing a Sub-Zero and he uses his ice clone when your getting close or rushing him down and you run in to it thats your fault. Its not spamming because you keep running into it, learn a way to get around it because as a Sub-Zero player, I know how to get around them and how to counter them aswell. But if someones online and they pick Kitana and keep throwing fans, how are you supposed to get close when the only way I seem to find to get around it is teleporting, which I cant do since i main Subby. I mean not everybody is an all pro tourny player that can find a way around that type of stuff.

 

[aedanwolfe]

Spamming is the use of the same moves(s) over and over again. Im sure MOST of us have established that. But for instance if your playing a Sub-Zero and he uses his ice clone when your getting close or rushing him down and you run in to it thats your fault. Its not spamming because you keep running into it, learn a way to get around it because as a Sub-Zero player, I know how to get around them and how to counter them aswell. But if someones online and they pick Kitana and keep throwing fans, how are you supposed to get close when the only way I seem to find to get around it is teleporting, which I cant do since i main Subby. I mean not everybody is an all pro tourny player that can find a way around that type of stuff.

In response to your "I can't get around fans so its spamming" comment. Dashblock. Also in trades with iceball you win cuz you can get a combo in. One thing sub players should not be having a huge problem with are projectiles. As for th "we aren't all tourney pros" that's a copout imho. Unless a char has some hidden technique that nobody knows about then there is literally no strrat/method of play that isn't known by the community. The pros just execute them well. I hope you use this information to become a unstoppable subzero juggernaught!
But seriously...dashblock. if its not working then lrn2dashblock better