[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

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FACT: Scorpion escaped Quan Chi's Soulnado unscathed and was transformed into the Champion of the Elder Gods. Why can't Bi-Han do the exact same?

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Commander said:
I can see how some things can be either of them ("Grandmaster" variation).
That said, the majority of those intro quotes seem to point at Bi-Han, IMO.

Sure, Kuai can come back if all the souls are set free, which can happen.
My point, though is that it doesn't HAVE to happen.

Shaun Himmerick alluded to the souls still being under Quan Chi's control, in the Quan Chi release trailer, which is what makes me doubt Kuai for MKX.
When you also factor in "30-something characters" in MKX (per Ed Boon), I don't see all of those dead characters being set free from Quan Chi and being playable in MKX (as it would have a roster close to 40 characters).
I could easily see NRS writing into the story something that leaves them the option to add those characters back to a future MK (Quan getting killed, at the very end), if the MKX new characters don't fare well with the fans.
MKX isn't the fan-letter game.
MKX is the testing the waters game, which is why I also think that Bi-Han being back, burying the hatchet with Scorpion (something that wasn't done in the old timeline) and testing the waters with a new MKX story is a possibility.
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Here me out. I get where your coming from, but NRS trolls. I don't think they would reveal a huge plot in a character trailer. Either they were merely stating what we saw in the last MK, or they are using this so when a plot twist happens we won't expect it. This game is all about the unexpected, or so I believe. The question is, do you believe so as well?

That being said, the one thing we know for sure is that the brothers are still around. I believe the soulnado did transport Bi-Han. It could lead to the Elder Gods like you suggest, or it could lead to the neatherrealm back in Quan Chi's control. Remember the soulnado's purpose? It was meant for Shao Kahn to get those souls I believe, but why the heck would Quan Chi do that when he knows Shao Kahn's end is near. I believe those souls were never intended to go to Shao Kahn, but to the neatherrealm.

The Elder Gods, after Shao Kahn's death, decide that this doesn't look good for them. So, they decide to pick a chosen one. Maybe, that someone is Kuai Liang. They bring Kuai before them, then "cleanse" him of Quan Chi's control, and his cybernetics. Bringing him back to life, which would explain he was never officially "resurrected" as Scorpion puts it. In the past, Kuai has done a lot to aid the forces of light. I know it's a new story and all, but it is always a possibility when it involves the MK universe. Lastly, I would like to point out as well, that I'm not trying to prove your theory wrong at all. I just believe it's hard to assume it's one or the other at this point.


[MENTION=12345]Tarkatan Trash[/MENTION] I don't believe I ever said Bi-Han doesn't have a chance of escaping the soulnado. In fact, my theory states that as well. I'm just saying it could go either way. That's why I said that both have an equal chance. I never discredited the theory about Bi-Han.
 
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I get what you mean with NRS trolling, and the plot may change from that (agreed), but I'm just speculating (since this thread is just that; speculation) on what it sounded like Shaun Himmerick was saying, to me.

In MK9 (to me) it seemed like the Soulnado was never meant for Shao Kahn, at all.
I'm beginning to think that there is a possibility that Quan Chi caught wind of MK9 Raiden's visions and changed up his plans.
The souls of the EarthRealm warriors that died in battle was Quan Chi's payment from Shao Kahn, for his allegiance.
Quan Chi stated that when Raiden tried to strike a deal with him, in MK9, that it was too late for Raiden because he already struck a deal with Shao Kahn.
Seems, to me, like Quan Chi knew all along what was happening.

Wouldn't chosing Kuai-Liang as their chosen one mean that Kuai is no longer under Quan Chi's control?
How would Kuai be the Elder Gods' chosen one (not saying it's not possible, just asking) if he's still under Quan Chi's control?
How would this work?
I've never said or implied that it can't be Kuai-Liang in MKX, if it is him, just that I want an explanation of how it's possible for him to come back.

Could Kuai come back as his former Sub-Zero self, IF he escapes Quan Chi's clutches? Sure.
But who's to say that Quan Chi can't also resurrect Kuai-Liang into a new creation, like he did with Scorpion, Noob Saibot, Sareena, Kia, Jataaka and Sindel?
That's my point.
 
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Commander said:
Wouldn't chosing Kuai-Liang as their chosen one mean that Kuai is no longer under Quan Chi's control?
How would Kuai be the Elder Gods' chosen one (not saying it's not possible, just asking) if he's still under Quan Chi's control?
How would this work?
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Yeah, if he was under quan chis control they cant make him champion without releasing him from that control. If that was their plan. If not then it would make more sense to make the guy controlling him champion but he's evil so i highly doubt that one
 
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It's a great point. Like I said, I'm not at all trying to say your wrong. Just providing more examples of what-if scanario's since nothing is set in stone.

Now for my explanation: If the Elder Gods choose Kuai Liang, it's as simple as them using their powers to bring Kuai before them. Quan-Chi's evil influence would also be removed via the cleansing process mentioned in my theory. I remember the deal and everything but the soulnado part confuses me. Can you tell me what the soulnado was for? I forgot. I knew it had some purpose, but forgot the reasoning.

I know you never implied that Kuai Liang was impossible. That part was implied to Tarkatan Trash, because he wrote something that lead me to believe, he thought that I believed the Bi-Han theory was impossible. I just provided my theory to show why I believe they have equal shots. In the end, it's who you prefer. Kuai could indeed come back as something if this MKX Sub-Zero is Bi-Han. A ton of things are possible in the MK universe.

BTW, I appreciate you hearing out my theory, even if you don't agree. So thank you for that.
 
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My theory is that Quan Chi will show the heroes visions of what Raiden did (offered their souls) and that will "warp" their minds. Obviously they have minds now as well and aren't just zombies or Shaun woukdn't have said they are being warped.

So, with that said, not all of them will be playable. In fact I would say only a couple will and it makes sense for that to be the more popular characters of which Sub-Zero is. I think the other dead characters who have a high chance of being playable are Liu Kang and Kitana.

Anyway with those details noted I also believe that different heroes will be assigned different tasks. Quan and Shinnok will take a majority with them to invade the heavens but they may assign Kang to take out Raiden while they leave Sub-Zero to take out Scorpion (offering him a human body to complete the task).

Then maybe someone along the way intervenes (Sareena) and tries to knock some sense into Kuai to make him remember. Kuai then knows of Quan's plans and attempts to tell Scorpion what Quan Chi sent him to do.

Just another possible theory.
 
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While that theory is likely, it also catches the eye. I think that's pretty interesting as well. I'm really happy that Sub-Zero isn't a random. If he was that would have been an ultimate b**** smack to the face of Sub-Zero's fans in my opinion. That's like saying that my favorite character ain't s*** and can easily be replaced, metaphorically speaking of course.
 
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Grandmaster Sub Zero said:
It's a great point. Like I said, I'm not at all trying to say your wrong. Just providing more examples of what-if scanario's since nothing is set in stone.

Now for my explanation: If the Elder Gods choose Kuai Liang, it's as simple as them using their powers to bring Kuai before them. Quan-Chi's evil influence would also be removed via the cleansing process mentioned in my theory. I remember the deal and everything but the soulnado part confuses me. Can you tell me what the soulnado was for? I forgot. I knew it had some purpose, but forgot the reasoning.

I know you never implied that Kuai Liang was impossible. That part was implied to Tarkatan Trash, because he wrote something that lead me to believe, he thought that I believed the Bi-Han theory was impossible. I just provided my theory to show why I believe they have equal shots. In the end, it's who you prefer. Kuai could indeed come back as something if this MKX Sub-Zero is Bi-Han. A ton of things are possible in the MK universe.

BTW, I appreciate you hearing out my theory, even if you don't agree. So thank you for that.
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Sounds good, and I'm fine with more scenarios, as long as it's civil.
Thank you.

I don't understand this part of the Elder Gods choosing Kuai, in your explanation.
Can the Elder Gods bring Kuai before them and have him as their Champion, if he's still under Quan Chi's control?
That's my main question.

No prob. I don't mind a good respectful debate, and thank you for responding in a civil way and not just trashing it.
 
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Grandmaster Sub Zero said:
I'm really happy that Sub-Zero isn't a random. If he was that would have been an ultimate b**** smack to the face of Sub-Zero's fans in my opinion. That's like saying that my favorite character ain't s*** and can easily be replaced, metaphorically speaking of course.
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Would that really surprise you, though, especially with Ed Boon's "Sea of Sub-Zeros" comment during E3 2014?
That's what annoys me a bit.
Ed saying "Sea of Sub-Zeros," kind of feels like "We can kill 10,000 Sub-Zeros (obvious exaggeration), and bring back / make up a new Sub-Zero later."
That comment by Ed felt like a slap to the face, IMO.
Ed doesn't give 2 shits for human Sub-Zero, but fortunately the fans do, and he knows that he's too big of a character not to have in an MK game.
 
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Commander said:
Sounds good, and I'm fine with more scenarios, as long as it's civil.
Thank you.

I don't understand this part of the Elder Gods choosing Kuai, in your explanation.
Can the Elder Gods bring Kuai before them and have him as their Champion, if he's still under Quan Chi's control?
That's my main question.

No prob. I don't mind a good respectful debate, and thank you for responding in a civil way and not just trashing it.
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I'm pretty sure the Elder Gods can do that, involving Kuai Liang. They are Elder Gods, but who knows, I could be far from right. About the comment Ed Boon made. It wouldn't surprise me with the sea of Sub-Zero's comment, but I find the comment, like you said is a slap in the face.
[MENTION=18134]Yellow Ledbetter[/MENTION] Lol! Looks like it was resurrected. :rofl:
 
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