Please post MKAK 360 version impressions here.. **Please Read**

Yeah complaining that the games don't look 100% arcade perfect on home systems is like complaining that movies don't look exactly the same at home as at the theater or the imax. Or that your old TV shows don't look exactly the same on modern TVs than on the old old TVs used when they first came out ;) Different screens, different projection = different image results. So it's never going to be the same unless you hook it up to the original monitor and set it to the proper resolution and even then there may be some differences due to different hardware and software setups.

Of course that doesn't mean the MKAK didn't ship with glitches and bugs when it probably did. Something always slips through QA\dev time when porting MK it seems and MAME still gives the most accurate emulation outside using an actual arcade board or cabinet... display stuff aside. Hell yeah they should fix any bugs or glitches that slipped through.... on the other hand it took the MAME team over a decade to get their emulation to the level it is at now to be frank.

BTW I think he was talking about the character select screen comparing a home version to the arcade cabinet. So his test would be to fire up the game on a TV and then compare the character select screen to the RGB monitor on the cabinet... which I addressed in my post.
 
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smoke.tetsu said:
Yeah complaining that the games don't look 100% arcade perfect on home systems is like complaining that movies don't look exactly the same at home as at the theater or the imax. Or that your old TV shows don't look exactly the same on modern TVs than on the old old TVs used when they first came out ;) Different screens, different projection = different image results. So it's never going to be the same unless you hook it up to the original monitor and set it to the proper resolution and even then there may be some differences due to different hardware and software setups.

Of course that doesn't mean the MKAK didn't ship with glitches and bugs when it probably did. Something always slips through QA\dev time when porting MK it seems and MAME still gives the most accurate emulation outside using an actual arcade board or cabinet... display stuff aside.

BTW I think he was talking about the character select screen comparing a home version to the arcade cabinet. So his test would be to fire up the game on a TV and then compare the character select screen to the RGB monitor on the cabinet... which I addressed in my post.
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Well thanks for addressing that, I was confused as to what he meant, lol! Unless he wants a coin door soddered on to his PS3 / XBOX 360 (lol). None the less, thanks for helping me bring a LITTLE rationality to this topic.
Lots of unnecessary hatred going around.
 
Johnny_Cage said:
??? I own the actual arcade machine, it isn't MAME, it's the actual PCB. There is no select screen. There's simply a test menu where you can set how many coins to insert, who picked certain characters, etc.
I don't understand your 'test', if you think I have the MAME version of the game I don't, it's the actual board itself, untouched, version 2.1.
The original arcade release of MK 2.
I've no idea what you are getting at.
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let me clarify for you: I'm talking about the CHARACTER select screen

And by the way, even MAME looks way better than MKAK if you compare raw screenshots, especially at the select screen: (If you can't tell the difference already, save these to a folder on your desktop and flip between them. HUGE difference in both color and sharpness)
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In your example screenshots it's really just the contrast that is different between the two to be honest. On the other hand there's no reason why there should be a difference unless they did that on purpose and or if the contrast got changed somehow by the video capturing device that was used to take the MKAK screenshot. Color correction can be a challenging thing when it comes to taking shots and displaying them on other screens or just images in general. That's why they have color profiles and such.... contrast and such may also be affected by your settings in MAME there's hotkeys for this.
 
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I do see what you're talking about now. However, I do believe this is caused by the monitor type. I can tell you that the actual monitor on my arcade DOES look better than mame. It's all about what tv / monitor you are using. I mean, if you REALLY want that actual arcade feel it's not impossible, it'll just take some work... buy an original MK 2 monitor, and sodder it up so it'll work with your console. Not exactly ideal for a living room, but that's the only honest way you'll get the same look. And I'm not being sarcastic... not at all.... ;)

mdsfx said:
See the difference? Mame is on the right:
kangf.jpg


The MKAK screenshot was taken directly from the official MK facebook page
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Well, MAME is more stretched out, so again this points to the obvious: it's the monitor.
 
mdsfx said:
See the difference? Mame is on the right:
kangf.jpg


The MKAK screenshot was taken directly from the official MK facebook page
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Yes for all we know they used the "smooth" filter settings on all those facebook screens which seems to be an additional filter on top of what is already used in the "normal" settings... that and like I said.. color correction can bite you in the butt especially capturing screenshots from a television set which will always affect the end result somehow and also different contrast settings in MAME\etc. can give you different results. But still if you look closely you'll see it's mostly the contrast that is different when you come down to it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not really defending the MKAK I'm just saying it's very difficult to impossible to replicate the exact arcade experience at home outside an actual arcade cabinet.... and software\hardware settings can and do make quite the difference. They could have included brightness\contrast\sharpness controls in the MKAK so that way you could adjust it the way you like. But even if you did take it from me it'll never be the same as on your cabinets even from just an aspect ratio perspective in general.... even the pixels on the RGB monitor could have been at a different aspect ratio than on any TV.

For example... Doom was made with a different type of monitor with pixel ratio different than later monitors and as a result unless they do some correction it'll look incorrect on newer systems: http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Aspect_ratio
 
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Yoohoo, are you listening to me? Do you even WANT to listen to me? I'm stating facts here.... FACTS! Yes there's a difference.. I'm telling you why. It's possible to setup MAME to look the same as the MKAK actually.
 
Damn that felt good loading the original Mortal Kombat screen! How many years has it been for me? Whatta trip!

I know going into purchasing this is that it probably be $10 going to a wack ass net code and full of glitches, but I played enough games of just the original to get my "$10" worth of quarters out of it. So I don't feel so bad, besides the wack ass net code and being full of glitches.

Played a couple matches of the original MK and I experienced very minimal to no lag? Haven't played the others yet.

EDTITS* Forgot to mention I beat the original MK but where is my achievement? I beat it a couple hours ago and was thinking you got an achievement for beating individual game, ARCADE KOMPETITOR, I should have received but nothing came of my hard work. Happen to anyone else?
 
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THE JOHNNY ROOK said:
Damn that felt good loading the original Mortal Kombat screen! How many years has it been for me? Whatta trip!

I know going into purchasing this is that it probably be $10 going to a wack ass net code and full of glitches, but I played enough games of just the original to get my "$10" worth of quarters out of it. So I don't feel so bad, besides the wack ass net code and being full of glitches.

Played a couple matches of the original MK and I experienced very minimal to no lag? Haven't played the others yet.

EDTITS* Forgot to mention I beat the original MK but where is my achievement? I beat it a couple hours ago and was thinking you got an achievement for beating individual game, ARCADE KOMPETITOR, I should have received but nothing came of my hard work. Happen to anyone else?
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You have to sit through the ending for the cheevo to pop up.
 
All I know is I want even scanlines. Oh, and do difficulty levels change at all when switched? All things point to no.
 
Actually, in the arcade versions of MK 1 and 2, changing the difficulty really doesn't do anything. lol. I can confirm this.
 
This is the first time I've really been mad at an MK game and I'm really let down. All of these are true and also, when I beat MK1, I didn't get the achievement for it. Anyone else feel like they've been had? Cuz this is bullshiit if these problems are only on the 360 version. Don't really see why NRS hates Microsoft so much...
 
Why man? No reason to be upset, you got 3 arcade games for 10 bucks! Plus they have online play, and when the lag gets fixed, you'll feel a LOT better. Trust me.
 
I've read all the threads on here because I was curious if this game was worth the $. I already have the Midway UMK3 on XBLA and I enjoy it. I decided to register on this forum so I could give my impressions. These are the impressions of a self-proclaimed 3-star MK / SFII player. I can beat all my friends pretty easily and eek out a few random victories here or there online but I'd be out the first round or two in any local tournament and I'd never make it on any national / world stage. I just love the 2d fighters from the 90's and I love MK.

After playing the trial of MKAK today I have decided to save my $10 and purchase something else (likely SFIII). The sad part is I was really looking forward to purchasing and playing over my labor day weekend with some friends. I can verify the following from my limited playing of the demo.
1.) the contrast is brighter than UMK3 for XBLA. I have both and played them back to back. This isn't bad, just different.
2.) the sounds of scorpion are cut off. No more "get over here" or "come here", the just kind of fade away.
3.) the fatalities are easier to do. (I've never been good at them) I call this a feature personally, but I was able to just whip out fatalities in MK1, 2 and U3 within the first try or two.
4.) I don't know how the arcade sounds so I can't comment on them being different or 'wrong'.


If there is an address I can voice my opinion about this, please let me know. It is my opinion that this port should play/look/sound as good as the UMK3 game I purchased for $10 over 2 years ago. Should I send something to NRS or somewhere else? I'd gladly pay for the game right now, if the developers would just send out a press release stating they know about the bugs and are committed to fixing the majority of them.

Just a let-down...
 
smoke.tetsu said:
Yoohoo, are you listening to me? Do you even WANT to listen to me? I'm stating facts here.... FACTS! Yes there's a difference.. I'm telling you why. It's possible to setup MAME to look the same as the MKAK actually.
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This isn't a difference shown on two different monitors, but the same one, without the use of a screencapture card or software that might modify colors. No, the MKAK screen is not using smooth. You obviously have not seen just how bad the "smooth" filter is. It looks a lot worse than either of these pics.

You're obviously settled on the idea that there isn't a difference. That's great, but I'm not. I also have the previous XBLA release of UMK3 and it looks significantly different than MKAK.

I'm not complaining for the sake of annoying anyone, but the black levels are really nasty compared to the last release of UMK3.
 
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