Ok we need to talk about the lack of female characters!

[Misucra]

Trust me, I know what appeals to people. These guys are in denial.

Glad to know you know what appeals to people, but let's now detach from your fantasy world and let's face the brutal reality. Times change (thank raiden for that). Sex sells tactic isn't as powerful as you make it sound.
For example MK9 was your dream game basically. Had very little clothing, had physics just for female breasts, had mr. universes running around everywhere, also oversexualized battle damage (very specific parts of clothing were damaged for females to give this FANSERVICE)
So how did it fare? Game was a success. It had amazing STORY mode, awesome gameplay (animations were kinda static in some parts, but overall amazing). EVEN SO. There was a huge amount of criticism regarding females (and then males). In the past maybe no one would have given two shits about that, but then you have this new intriguing story, which has lots of sad and serious moments, which made you actually pay attention and sometimes even sit on the edge AND then you have these girls coming in with this poor excuse for clothing... No. It doesn't work. If it was some lazy storywriting, then that kind of clothing maybe would be ok (still would kill me, thou).

Also...

If you were a chick fighting in a long flowy Asian-themed robe and tiara you know what would happen to you? Your opponent would grab your robe and toss you around with it. Boon realizes the practicality of the skimpy outfit.

wat? Just wait... I need to read this again. WHAT?
First of all if we are talking about martial artists (which is obvious as game is about brutal martial arts), then no matter what kind of clothing you wear (unless it is leather bodysuit) you are always in danger of being grabbed on. Hell they could grab you by your hair. Also to effectively grab someone by clothing you usually need first to find an opening. Martial artist don't give out opening like candies, so if you were by chance to grab piece of clothing you might as well get a kick in your face, before you can manage to grab that piece of cloth properly. So your example is ineffective.

P.S in MK9 Lots of males are shirtless. Still you can grab them. So it makes no difference what you wear. Unless it is 2 meter long dress or you have long ass hair.

The Israeli Defense Forces realize the power of sexuality and look at them- most effective fighting force in the world.

most effective fighting force in the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA

Boon realizes the practicality of the skimpy outfit

No Boon just tried a cheap tactic to help boost MK sales. If not for story and gameplay, then that sex sales tactic wouldn't have done much. It was just an extra. Plan B.

give her that kind of body and show it off

show it off

Any real drill instructor would slap you senseless until you got your shit straight son.
If this was a bikini contest. Then yeah, show it off! But wait... I thought I bought MORTAL KOMBAT.
Ninjas, blades, blood, violence, anger, vengeance, metal, undead, death all around. This ain't a place to show off your body.
If you you go into a fight where anything is allowed you wear protective clothing. For martial artists it would be chain mail/fishnet underneath, and at least some crude leather on top. Not to weight you down, but at least minimally protect you. Also it is smart idea as usually fighting is going in pretty hazardous places like Hell, or freezing mountains.

But hey I know this won't be enough for you so, two more reasons why sex sales clothing is bullshit in MK.

Heard about Soul Calibur? That game HAS EVERYTHING you are asking here. Hell you can strip females in there while fighting, and fighting mechanics are pretty decent there too. Check how popular it is. Yeah. Can't even compare to MK fanbase, how small it is.

Another reason:

If I were to get a dollar for every single download I got from these mods of mine, I would be able to buy a Lamborghini without a second thought.

So let me break it out for you. You're the MINORITY here. No one wants sex or "porny" characters here. Except minority. No real fan is gonna buy MKX for half naked females. Everyone is buying it, because of story, because of gameplay and because...
IT
IS
A MOTHERF$CKING MORTAL KOMBAT

Not a piece of shit Dead or Alive..

 

[Critical-Limit]

He's not the minority. In this thread he may be, but only the butthurt people Are going to complain. Mk9 sold a lot. With how little people were freaking out about the girls.

I'd say his opinion isn't that disliked

I think Instead you seem to think everyone is on your side. I'd argue your army of sexual justice is a drop of water in the ocean o people who bought mk9.

I think most people are in the I don't give a shit boat

 

[Misucra]

He's not the minority. In this thread he may be, but only the butthurt people Are going to complain. Mk9 sold a lot. With how little people were freaking out about the girls.

I'd say his opinion isn't that disliked

I think Instead you seem to think everyone is on your side. I'd argue your army of sexual justice is a drop of water in the ocean o people who bought mk9.

I think most people are in the I don't give a shit boat

Did I say that everyone is on my side? One sec mate. Let me check my message. Nope. Didn't found shit.

I think most people are in the I don't give a shit boat

I have numbers, you have assumptions. This community is not split into just two groups. Some people want oversexualized characters, some people just don't give a shit and play the game and some people love to immerse themselves into a game and they are asking for a chance. Which is not to have mr universes and oversexualized females.

I base my previous post on numbers I saw from visits in my website and downloads of my mods, also all the reviews and articles which talk about this matter. This matter ain't very open, but if you start asking questions, then people tend to say it was "too much"

With how little people were freaking out about the girls.

You guys tend to use that "freaking out" a lot. I am starting to think that the meaning of "opinion" is being forgotten here in forums. People who don't like oversexualized females in MK just stated an opinion that they don't like it and wish it wasn't repeated.
Hell some people say I like to freak out. That is false. I am usually short tempered and can start spitting fire and waving my fists once I see shit like that. But instead of crying about it all the time, I just simple learned how to mod MK and made my own females. Even so I wish I wouldn't need to do that AGAIN in MKX. So I state my opinion. Oversexualized females suck. Another person says no, so I counter his opinion by stating my point of view. And for this reason forum was created.

 

[Lord Greyjoy]

I'm not a big fan of most female characters in MK. I've always found Kitana and Jade to be incredibly dull personality-wise (and gameplay-wise in the case of Kitana). Sindel's design has always felt unappealing. Sheeva sucks, because I'd rather play as Goro. But Mileena and Ashrah are two of my favorites. I would love to see either (or both) of these in MKX.

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NOTE: None of the following is directed at the OP. More like directed at the argument in general.

Take a look at this:
14% of MK1's playable roster is female
16% in MK2
20% in MK3
26% in UMK3
12% in MK4
17% in MKG
21% in MKDA
29% in MKD
30% in MKU
21% in MKA (Wii)
20% in MKvsDC
21% in MK9 (with DLC)
18% in MKX (as of Kung Lao reveal)

It's pretty much the same as it has always been. I'd expect 3-4 more females, with maybe 1 as DLC.

My standing on this whole thing, though:
-More than half the roster hasn't been revealed, so this is too early.
-NRS can't into female character design, so it's actually better that there are less females, so there are less ugly characters.
-Game is catered to a mostly male audience. If women had a stronger voice in the FGC, I would be willing to bet that there would be more female fighters in games.

There's also this, which I found on a similar thread on MKO:

When you're going out of your way to make sure there's equal representation of females, it's a real slippery slope from there. Because how dare you stop there. Do you not care about equality across the board? Where are all the African Americans, Native Americans, Mexicans, or Asians? How about Samoans, Germans, Canadians, Indians, and Russians? Where's the Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Islamic, Muslim, or Hindus? Where's our skinny or fat equality? Where's the smart and dumb representation? How about the mentally handicapped, or the physically impaired?

Do you see why this is a pointless argument to make, and is a very shallow one at that, when you are trying to wave the flag for one group, claiming we need more equality? Women are the 2nd most represented "minority" in this game. How do you think black people, and any other sort of minority feel, when there's maybe 0-2 characters to represent them in this game? The point is, it's dumb, and a pointless argument here. This is a game. Let them create what they want to create, without having to abide by any sort of restrictions on character types, just for the sake of equality in representation.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Did I say that everyone is on my side? One sec mate. Let me check my message. Nope. Didn't found shit.



I have numbers, you have assumptions. This community is not split into just two groups. Some people want oversexualized characters, some people just don't give a shit and play the game and some people love to immerse themselves into a game and they are asking for a chance. Which is not to have mr universes and oversexualized females.

I base my previous post on numbers I saw from visits in my website and downloads of my mods, also all the reviews and articles which talk about this matter. This matter ain't very open, but if you start asking questions, then people tend to say it was "too much"



You guys tend to use that "freaking out" a lot. I am starting to think that the meaning of "opinion" is being forgotten here in forums. People who don't like oversexualized females in MK just stated an opinion that they don't like it and wish it wasn't repeated.
Hell some people say I like to freak out. That is false. I am usually short tempered and can start spitting fire and waving my fists once I see shit like that. But instead of crying about it all the time, I just simple learned how to mod MK and made my own females. Even so I wish I wouldn't need to do that AGAIN in MKX. So I state my opinion. Oversexualized females suck. Another person says no, so I counter his opinion by stating my point of view. And for this reason forum was created.

Wow, you do NOT have real numbers to back you up. You're assuming just like me, but assumptions that aren't baseless. It's essentially a strong theory.

People who are upset will make efforts to change things toward their view. So they will be louder and seemingly the majority even if it's not so.

There aren't that many people being upset about how they were dressed in mk9,

Also FYI I'm all for well dressed women. I lean towards that, but I'm not gonna say my biology doesn't say "like" when I see cleavage.
I'm actually on your side when it comes to MKX direction.

I just don't think his opinion is wrong either. Nothing wrong with sexuality.

It's only kind of ridiculous with Sonya as America is so anti sex that there is no way our military would issue an outfit like that.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

This is a board with opinions, right? If so that's my opinion. Not forcing it, but saying that it should be so. I understand some people want insulin-resistant Kitana and adolescent-body Cassie Cage. For me, I want Lisa Ann Mileena and a Jax with a booty that makes you pray for the girl he taps. I mean, you have a bootylicious Cammy and stripperiffic Jade as your signature banner, how can you chastise me for wanting porny characters?

Yes, this is a board with opinions, and MY opinion is that if you don't like the MKX crackdown on a roided up guys and slutty dressed girls then you shouldn't be buying MKX in the first place.

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[Critical-Limit]

You don't have the right to tell someone to not buy something.

If mortal kombat went toward nasty freaks ideal Mk

Would you quietly go away and not buy the game? No you don't want one of your favorite franchises going a direction you disagree with.

 

[BBBLP]

I think most people are in the I don't give a shit boat

Exactly. MK9 had female cosplayers out the asshole. And everybody loved it.

Johnny's right about the beefcakes too.

That dude isn't shattering anyone's ribcage.

 

[Commander]

If mortal kombat went toward nasty freaks ideal Mk

Would you quietly go away and not buy the game? No you don't want one of your favorite franchises going a direction you disagree with.

That's a bad example.
If MKX went the way of NF's ideal MK, it would be rated AO and you'd have to buy it in a porn shop, which would be a bad sales strategy for NRS.
Lots of people likely wouldn't buy it because they don't want to have to resort to going to a porn shop to get it.

 

[Misucra]

Wow, you do NOT have real numbers to back you up. You're assuming just like me, but assumptions that aren't baseless. It's essentially a strong theory.

as I mentioned before I base my post according to the number of downloads from my personal website. Also certain websites posted my mods individually, even so I don;t have access to see how many downloads there made.
But since MK9 pc release and after I started modding I gathered 122k INDIVIDUAL downloads from MK9 mod section alone. Now if we were to do simple math.
MK9 sold around 3.2 (as no one gave specifice exact number) after MK9 released PC port it seems it went up to 4 million ("around" according to all articles (event hub, shoryuken etc)). So if we are to say hypothetically, there was 800k sales of MK9 for pc. I gathered 122k downloads. Which means I got 1/8 of people who have MK9 on pc to download my mods. Now I am a f%cking nobody in the corner of internet and mods aren't even that great, but yet they managed to reach such insane number.
This already gives me a clear view of how people took MK9 female design.

People who are upset will make efforts to change things toward their view. So they will be louder and seemingly the majority even if it's not so.

If that was true.... Actually very few people actually put lots of effort. Also just making a petition and just slapping a photo isn't an effort. (in my opinion)

There aren't that many people being upset about how they were dressed in mk9,

Mate. One thing I would never do is base a fact on hopes and dreams. There a lot of people who didn't like that design decision. Even so as I mentioned people aren't very vocal about that matter as again it is a video game and this matter is kinda weird too... from certain point of view. To learn how many people actually like that you have to research and be very vocal about it. Trust me I was. Like a lot.
So again. A huge amount of people don't want MK9 art direction. It ain't an army, but it isn't minority either.

I just don't think his opinion is wrong either. Nothing wrong with sexuality.

To be fair. I would be ok with nudity in game. If they showed female's breast or if battle damage made female topless I wouldn't bat an eye. I mean if clothing gets damaged you going to see skin. That is natural. We are naked under our clothes. BUT PROBLEM IS, then you push that shit. MK9 didn't have any nudity, but walked on edge by making sure that Sonya's vest ripped only at specific part so to be few centimeters away from her nipple.

But, if for example let's say character in my signature (Frost) would wear this kind of clothing she has here, but after a battle she would only have pants remaining which would look like shorts, and her skin would covered in bruises, cuts and burns. I would be ok with that. That wouldn't be oversexualization.

Even JohhnySins wants it seems females to wear bikini from get go. That is a problem for me. So yeah again. I am just stating one thing. We had that in MK9. Horny boys got they treat. But now the other party would like to get a darker, more realistic (immersive) experience. A mortal kombat between badass warriors both females and males. A deathmatch worth singing about. That's what I and a lot of other people (which I know) would want to. And I assume where are even more people who would like that and might give a try for MKX, just because of that.

 

[Critical-Limit]

That's a bad example.
If MKX went the way of NF's ideal MK, it would be rated AO and you'd have to buy it in a porn shop, which would be a bad sales strategy for NRS.
Lots of people likely wouldn't buy it because they don't want to have to resort to going to a porn shop to get it.

Ugh, come in commander. Surely you can figure out the point in that comment w/o bringing up the likely hood.

If you need a great example, melee is known as the best smash game. apex 2015 had over 1,100 entrants. Smash4 has less than half that.

Should melee players be quiet and never give their input for future smash games? Should be quiet and just not buy right?

You shouldn't be telling people to shut up and not buy(not you obviously)

Cuz when the reverse happens something tells me that the criticizer won't listen to their own advice.

 

[Misucra]

Exactly. MK9 had female cosplayers out the asshole. And everybody loved it.

Johnny's right about the beefcakes too.

That dude isn't shattering anyone's ribcage.

Cosplay... dude. That.. just.. I know it is just an opinion... but. I.... jsut... Cosplay dude. You put cosplay as STATISTIC HERE? YOU DARE TO PUT COSPLAY AS MOTHER#$@%#$^#% STATISTICS HERE????

Jeezus H f%^$$ christ. Yes of course. Shitloads of girls found an opportunity to grab attention by dressing up as MK9 females. Cause guys love to see real sexy stuff (unless they are nature's error like me).

Doesn't mean it was good for game thou.

As for males.

If males had similar bodies I would be holy shit that's awesome. Even so I love already the direction of males they take in MKX. Not to big, but also not to small just to show that they are agile, but also are able to rip your head off.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

You don't have the right to tell someone to not buy something.

If mortal kombat went toward nasty freaks ideal Mk

Would you quietly go away and not buy the game? No you don't want one of your favorite franchises going a direction you disagree with.

That's a bad example.
If MKX went the way of NF's ideal MK, it would be rated AO and you'd have to buy it in a porn shop, which would be a bad sales strategy for NRS.
Lots of people likely wouldn't buy it because they don't want to have to resort to going to a porn shop to get it.

Let me knock out both replies at once.

Ummm...if MK was made Nasty_Freak's way, NONE of us would be buying MK, for the same reason Commander just said; AO rating. You know what happens with an AO rating? A de facto ban of the game, for two reasons.

-Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all refuse to license AO-rated games for release on their consoles.
-Every major retailer has strict policies against the shipment, stocking, or sale of AO-rated titles (retailers have had this policy in place since the ESRB was established; I even remember reading words to the effect of "(insert retailer name here) does not carry AO-rated titles." in the fine print of Sunday paper retailer ads from the likes of K-Mart, Toys R Us, Best Buy, and Walmart as early as 1994).

Developers and publishers don't f*** around with the AO rating. When the ESRB even so much as threatens a game with the AO rating, the devs will either do their most to tone down the game enough for an M rating, or the publisher will pull the plug on the game altogether. And M-rated games could face the same consequences under extreme circumstances...such as the case with Thrill Kill.

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[BBBLP]

Solid marketing isn't good for the game? Then why were there official MK9 cosplay girls?

Obviously someone thought it was good for the game. Because only goobers complained about it.

 

[Fake Sinner]

Jeezus H f%^$$ christ. Yes of course. Shitloads of girls found an opportunity to grab attention by dressing up as MK9 females. Cause guys love to see real sexy stuff (unless they are nature's error like me).

There ya go... just because you're asexual doesn't mean you are right. I come in here like, yo bro, I like sexy characters and you're all like trying to shove your feminist social justice down everyone's throats.

 

[Fake Sinner]

Solid marketing isn't good for the game? Then why were there official MK9 cosplay girls?

Obviously someone thought it was good for the game. Because only goobers complained about it.

I mean let's assume these test-lacking guys got their way. What's so appealing about average looking women in boycuts and cheap and unflattering Mao-Zedong style uniforms or thin hipster guys covered up from neck to toe in baggy karate uniforms? Might as well get rid of backgrounds and make them fight in a generic cage as well. Fatalities could just be a player shooting their opponent with a pistol, or snapping their neck.

Mortal Kombat is all about kitsch- a gallon of blood spurting from a backhand smack, bouncing boobs and booty, spiky ceilings and animalities.

And as for Tarkatan Trash et. al. and their AO rating crap:

There's NOTHING AO about chicks in thongs or ripped guys doused in oil man, look at what they show on MTV... it's literally as appropriate as wearing shorts nowadays. Now, if Noob's X-Ray involved double penetration, there's something you'll get an AO rating for.

 

[Commander]

Mortal Kombat is all about kitsch- a gallon of blood spurting from a backhand smack, bouncing boobs and booty, spiky ceilings and animalities.

Wrong.
MK was never about bouncing boobs and booty until gamers like you came into the industry, pushing a sexual agenda.
Also people in here were also debating about both sexes being ridiculously represented, so I don't know where you come off saying everyone is "feminist." :laugh:

 

[BBBLP]

Wrong.
MK was never about bouncing boobs and booty until gamers like you came into the industry, pushing a sexual agenda.
Also people in here were also debating about both sexes being ridiculously represented, so I don't know where you come off saying everyone is "feminist." :laugh:

Word?

 

[Fake Sinner]

Wrong.
MK was never about bouncing boobs and booty until gamers like you came into the industry, pushing a sexual agenda.
Also people in here were also debating about both sexes being ridiculously represented, so I don't know where you come off saying everyone is "feminist." :laugh:

Okay- let's talk about MK's History...

1990's Mortal Kombat:



You don't think Kitana is dressed sexy here? I'd be so hard fighting her she'd just have to swipe my junk off with her fan and that'd be that. And look at Sub Zero- he's jacked out of his mind. I would NOT want to fight that guy.



Look at that MK Gold poster. First off, Scorpion's freaking huge. You know this guy benches six plates at least. And Kitana's booty? You think Tanya is dressed for kids? Look at Mileena... The Outworld chicks are supposed to look like that, it's their culture.



And Jade? Don't even make me post the other examples. Her more conservative alternate had freaking garter lingerie.

You want original MK, go back to the early 90's for MK1 and 2. Times have changed bud. If there was no boobage and booty, MK as a franchise would have died out in the 1990's.

 

[Commander]

Word?

Word.

You want original MK, go back to the early 90's for MK1 and 2. Times have changed bud. If there was no boobage and booty, MK as a franchise would have died out in the 1990's.

You're just proving my point that MK wasn't sexualized until after the first 2.

Anyways, I'm glad that MKX isn't going in the direction of being as sexualized as people like you and NF want it to be.
It's going back to its roots, more in the direction of the dark and gritty MK1 / MKII vibe, and MKX will be better for it.