MK movie update/MK Legacy discussion

Liked the season and especially how they changed Liu Kang from a quite bland hero to a guy with a deeper story, and the open question on which side he might stand in the movie.

Seems the machinima channel is down, and is it not weird that they uploaded the whole season today? Wasn't it advertised before like season 2 starts on the 26th?
 
Oh my God, this "thing" was worse than MK Annihilation! Just a few thoughts without it taking too long:

- The script: Did this piece of s**t even had one? Not even the tournament is explained: they only mention that something's up with the fate of the world but not even once they connect that to the Mortal Kombat tournament. Also we hear in one of the conversations (SMALL SPOILER!) that they are held every 10 years and the previous one was won by Liu Kang wearing the colors of Earthrealm. So the question comes up: what's at stake here? Outworld has to win 10 in a row and this is only the first one because the last one was won by Earth? Or they have to win only one which means that in the last 500 years they lost every one of them? :D

Also Sub-Zero and Kenshi clearly appears to be human here so the question comes up: if Sub-Zero's backstory is set in 1199 and Kenshi's in feudal Japan (both of these things are written on the screen) then just what the balls are they doing in 2013 alive and kicking? Also if we take it into consideration that a Mortal Kombat tournament is held every 10 years then why didn't Scorpion and Sub-Zero met before on one of the previous tournaments to settle their conflict? What the hell were they doing in the last 800 years, they were waiting for Kevin Tancharoen to put them into a web series? :D

- Directing and editing: Something was seriously messed up here, the first 2 episodes were fine but then everything becomes atrocious and horrendously bad, especially the editing. Why show us Kenshi's fight twice? Why did they show a picture of Scorpion's present look while they are explaining Sub-Zero's backstory and they are also having a flashback in the backstory (it's ridiculous even when it's written down)?

What is up with the main title showing up before every fight of the tournament? You know it's usually at the beginning or the end of a show but here it actually never appears in those parts, only at the beginning of a fight. They should have just used the same thing with "Fight!" written on it instead of "Mortal Kombat Legacy II", or what would have been the best: don't do a thing, just let the show flow without any introduction of a fight! We are not stupid, we know when we're gonna see two dudes beating up each other after years of watching action movies. At first I actually thought the particular episode just ended and almost skipped to the next one on the playlist. :D

So all in all it was pretty horrible, however 2 of the fight scenes were good and Scorpion made a great job of learning Sub-Zero's fatality.
 
Considering there were a lot of two part episodes I thought they probably could have just made them all 20 minutes long. If there are ones that don't have enough to fill the time then put in more fighting.

I agree that the fights were not phenomenal. I thought Sub-zero vs Scorpion it was especially apparent. There were a lot of weak looking hits in there (although the use of special moves was probably the best in that fight) - they looked like they were play fighting, not mortal enemies.

I didn't mind Ermac's new look. My only gripe is that they could have put a bit of red in there.

I also think that the season itself was too short. I understand they have a low budget but after waiting so long I had been hoping for like double the size of the first season.

And they should have utilized Shang Tsung more. They kinda wasted the best actor. They could at least have shown that he had something to do with the Kenshi-Ermac story. Or given him a scene "welcoming" the Earthrealm fighters to the island. At the very least he should have had a scene with Raiden.
 
I think overall it was sort of "okay", but I also have to agree with ZaxxerDog's criticisms. This whole thing felt like kind of a rushed mess (which the editing didn't help), the timeline was nonsensical, and I don't really like any of the changes they made to the characters and their back-stories.

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The Liu Kang thing seemed pointless to me. They didn't give him depth, they just turned him into an non-undead Scorpion with a scary hoodie. I also feel like the conflict with Kung Lao was kind of half-hearted, and it seems asinine that it drove him to allying with Outworld.

The Scorpion/Sub-Zero episode was the best one, again, but they still dicked it up by making arbitrary changes to the characters. Kuai-Lang is a huge part of the game series, but here they turned him into some hot-headed kid who ends up being completely irrelevant. Hanzo and Bi-Han were also way, way, way too friendly with each other. Hanzo gets killed and Bi-Han responds by nearly killing members of his own clan in a fit of rage, yet his own brother gets killed and he's just like, "I'm kinda sad, but oh well, **** that guy". Come on.

I was expecting more (maybe too much) out of Kitana/Mileena. To me, Kitana has the most interesting inner-conflict in the series, so it was jarring to see them try to condense all of her feelings into the period of a few minutes. I always imagined her spending years trying to come to terms with the truth before ultimately choosing a different path, while here it took her all of two seconds to decide she's done with everything and then kill Mileena. To me, that episode was a huge missed opportunity.

Ermac I was really hoping they'd do more with, but whatever, he looked like crap anyway. Raiden's look I also thought was just too far removed from the original character design. A couple times I even forgot who that guy was supposed to be. Shang Tsung, no complaints. Johnny Cage, no complaints. Kung Lao? Eh. Striker.... why was he there again?

By the way, what the hell was with all the swearing? I mean, I swear constantly and I still thought that was gratuitous. Even Mileena gets an F-bomb in there. What the balls.


I've had enough whining for now. It was decent, but I guess I had higher expectations for this season (even though I know there were time and budget limitations and blah blah blah). It doesn't really psyche me up for season 3 or a movie, though, I'll tell you that much.
 
Ok just finished watching the season and what I'll say is interesting but leaves much to be desired:

Pros

- Interesting concepts and exposition in a sense that it's good groundwork to build from

- The Relationship between Subzero and Scorpion is different since they were childhood friends and Scorpion was deceived along with Kaui Liang dying so early but it's interesting and relatively well fleshed out.

- Doesnt give too much emphasis to one sole character and it manages to show different stuff and try to bring it together at different points

- The performances of Kitana, Kang, Tsung Mileena, Cage, Sub-zero, and Scorpion

- Atmosphere, general plot and direction

Cons

- Continuity of it's universe: I'd really love an explanation for why the ninjas and Kenshi are still alive despite the eras they lived in.

- This format and the need for intros and pointless Machinima related stuff in the episodes vids then being allowed to use that time to flesh out the unanswered questions in this season.

- The profanity...I know that this series is M for Mature and people in real life sometimes drop 10 f bombs per sentence but with a franchise of this kind that's just laying it on thick.

- Details but no substance: I know this series was always pretty much an expository series but it wouldnt hurt for their to be more "meat to the story" outside of the Kitana/Mileena and Kang/Lao/Tsung stuff.

- Dialogue would get stilted from time to time in this and hopefully this is something that changes before the movie is made


My complete rating is 6.5/10. Some improvements and cool stuff but leaves much to be desired. Since I knew how divergent this would be ahead of time, I can't really say that it would fire me up
 
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I agree with pretty much every criticism above. I thought it had its good parts but there was a lot left to be desired. Mainly from the script and acting. The dialogue between many of the characters felt forced (Including the cursing), Some of the fights had weak looking hits and the score music felt so cheesy for some of them. I hated the music going on with Scorpion and Subzero fighting. I can forgive plot holes and the rushed feel it has considering they didn't have much time to tell all of it. Overall I would give it a 6/10.

Good
-Liu Kang fight scenes and story arc
-Scorpion and Subzero story
-Fatalities
-decent special effects considering budget
-Ermac and Kenshi story along with Ermac being a demon guarding the sword

Bad
-A lot of the actors were pretty bad
-still some cheesy and pointless dialogue
-some fight scenes could be better
-Subzero's and Ermac's costumes. Ermac just felt like a guy in makeup to me more than being a demon. Cover his face
- Where's the ending? I understand leaving a cliff hanger, but there is no ending what so ever. It just cut out like the Sopranos.
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Im sorry I was really hoping this was gonna be something. Oh boy how wrong I was. Ep 1 was terrible.
 
I loved it for the most part. Infinitely better than season 1.

The side characters were horrid actors and some of the designs I didn't like.
But the Dark Kang saga was the highlight of the show for me. With the Sub-Scorp relationship close behind it.




As for people wondering about Kenshi and Sub, take into consideration that Sub Zero isn't fully human. And Kenshi's sword, or whatever Ermac hit him with could be the explanation to his age.



There was an oversight in the Ermac fight though. Seems like they forgot to edit the actor's voice because Mac was grunting like a regular man and not his usual demon voice.
 
Good:
Liu Kang fights
scorpion/sub zero story
kenshi's fatality
kitana/mileena fight
johnny cage: "phuk that"
cary tagawa

Bad:
acting
cliffhanger
too short
 
ya know maybe they're just using legacy to collect feedback on how to get the movie right (please be collecting feedback to get it right).
 
I agree with pretty much every criticism above. I thought it had its good parts but there was a lot left to be desired. Mainly from the script and acting. The dialogue between many of the characters felt forced (Including the cursing), Some of the fights had weak looking hits and the score music felt so cheesy for some of them. I hated the music going on with Scorpion and Subzero fighting. I can forgive plot holes and the rushed feel it has considering they didn't have much time to tell all of it. Overall I would give it a 6/10.

Good
-Liu Kang fight scenes and story arc
-Scorpion and Subzero story
-Fatalities
-decent special effects considering budget
-Ermac and Kenshi story along with Ermac being a demon guarding the sword

Bad
-A lot of the actors were pretty bad
-still some cheesy and pointless dialogue
-some fight scenes could be better
-Subzero's and Ermac's costumes. Ermac just felt like a guy in makeup to me more than being a demon. Cover his face
- Where's the ending? I understand leaving a cliff hanger, but there is no ending what so ever. It just cut out like the Sopranos.
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I fully agree with your last point: ending a season with a cliffhanger is not essentially a bad thing but just letting it go without any kind of closure whatsoever is always a horrible decision. The viewer needs to get some kind of fulfillment at the end just to be able to take in the whole thing he/she just watched as something coherent. One could argue that at least Scorpion and Sub-Zero got a closure but this is hardly true because the actual conflict was not resolved in any shape or form.

However there's one thing I really liked: the first two episodes were constructed in a fine way and handling Liu Kang as a negative character is a very fresh and appropriate element to the franchise and actually has some depth in it. The idea of too strong righteusness turning into hate and evil was portrayed pretty well and that's not like what we are used to see in martial art movies. The dialogue where Shang Tsung convinced Liu Kang to switch sides was very poorly written sadly which kinda ruined this aspect for me but still I can't argue with the fact that the Kung Lao / Liu Kang parts were the strongest moments of the season.

It's also a good thing that fatalities were included. This is something the first film and every other motion picture adaptations of MK lacked so far so it was great to see them.

At the bottom line this is why I think it was the worst MK motion picture ever: making a simple and coherent story about a group of people beating up another group of people is not nuclear physics. It's not a question of budget, it's not a question of time, it's simply a question of common sense. There are a lot of scenes and characters (they include Stryker and tell us nothing about him?) I could cut after a second of thinking after seeing them written in the script because they doesn't serve fleshing out the concept of the season: the tournament. We didn't need to see a scene where Liu Kang murders a bunch of random people, we didn't need to see Johnny Cage in the can after what happened in the first season, we didn't need to see Kitana and Mileena arguing with each other because after watching their backstory in season one we knew this would happen, we knew she was betrayed by Khan and we knew for sure she'll switch sides. Hell, we don't even have to see when they go back to the backstory of Scorpion / Sub-Zero, that was already established so why spend a full episode on Sub-Zero learning one thing?

You can handle these things through dialogue or a bit of narration so you can focus your money and time on the tournament itself which is basically the foundation that is meant to hold the whole thing together. Instead of focusing on the backstory you can have the fighters interact with each other in the present so we can at least feel they are on the same team. You can give a tournament what a tournament begins with: an opening speech by Shang Tsung where you meet the new fighters and learn what the MK tournament is all about. A bunch of people wandering around on an empty island filled with MK flags and chasing around each other is not really a tournament to me. If they decide the fate of the world in these circumstances that's kinda lame. :D Ultimately this ruined the whole thing for me.

And as I've said, this is a very simple way of storytelling, even a 12 year old could do it after watching Enter the Dragon, the first MK film or even that good awful Dead or Alive movie. Messing up a thing so simple is a very, VERY huge flaw and is actually inexcusable.

So just to have a score at the end, it's 2.5-3 out of 10 in my opinion.
 
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WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED???

So bad. So CHESSEY The acting is just.... What the hell?

And what did they do to Ermac? This whole thing is a sad butchery.
Almost as bad as annihilation. maybe worse.
 
For the most part I enjoyed this season.
The only thing that's kinda confused me is Kenshi and the sub and scorp fitting into the timeline. Younger sub dying didn't bug me because he had an off screen death so we didn't see him die. He could still be alive for all we know. But besides those things I loved this season. Better then season one imo.
 
Did they seriously rewrite a rewrite? So assuming Kuai liang is dead does that mean he's gonna be Noob and not Cyber Sub?
 
This has absolutely nothing to do with MK9.
Actually seems like it takes place after one of the tournaments since Liu talks to Shang about knocking his head off.



God I wish the games had the same story of Kuai Liang dying and Bi Han being alive :cry:
 
That was some of the stupidest storytelling ever. My lady died so let me give up my ENTIRE life to be a little emo puss. Johnny Cage was horrid and what the holy hell was with Kitanna's miraculous epiphany? Liu kang can be one of two things in the mk universe ultimate good or the ultimate bad. The crying "anti-hero" grey area doesn't fit him at all. Aside from Scorpion, Shang Tsung, Kung lao, and Kenshi all of season 2 was crap.
 
He didn't turn that way just because she died, he turned that way because she died and the White Lotus turned their backs on him.

He came to the realization that he had no one else in the world, nothing but ungrateful animals. So why should he defend it?
 
Because that's his character. (correct me if I'm wrong) in almost every mk game excluding his MK9 ending and when he was a "Zombie." that's been his one focus protecting earthrealm and it seems everytime Mk gets a movie, now web series they try and make him this deep troubled guy. When to the best of my knowledge he's not.
 
That's the beauty of it. MK painted him to be this perfect guy when in reality he's still just a human. He's subject to the same emotional trauma as everyone, and when the man he considered his brother abandoned him he snapped.


MK9 Liu Kang also let his emotions get the best of him.
 
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