MK HD Kollection
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ShawnBronald
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I'm more of an extremist I guess than you guys.
Let's say UMK3 HD was just like the original with great graphics and all, I'd easily pay $60 for that.
Hell I spent $400 on my MVC2
A rich extremist, perhaps. Not everyone has money to throw around like that. If money were no option, yeah, I'd spend like crazy on any game I wanted. That would be damn cool. :-D
I agree that, even though they never did officially confirm or deny anything, I'm positive they were aware that people were anticipating it, stores had it listed for release and some were even taking preorders(!). That alone should have caused WB to make some sort of statement. Because they didn't, they left everyone in the dark. Most retailers had absolutely no clue whether the game would be shipped or not. It's one thing for consumers to be unsure, but major retailers and websites? I feel bad for the PR people at WB.... they should definitely be getting their pink slips soon. Honestly, I don't think people are making enough of an issue out of this. But I digress.
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Eks
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
It could be that WB intentionally put out false information (the game might not exist or the release date was entirely BS) to either gauge the demand for this or to generate buzz for the MK brand.
I just looked at the views for videos on youtube, and the rebirth trailer has 2.7 million views and the closest MK 2011 video has about 600k views. Assuming that's indicative of MK's fame in general, it seems perfectly reasonable that WB is looking to generate good hype for the MK brand, and this would be a very cheap way to do it.
It could be that WB intentionally put out false information (the game might not exist or the release date was entirely BS) to either gauge the demand for this or to generate buzz for the MK brand.
I just looked at the views for videos on youtube, and the rebirth trailer has 2.7 million views and the closest MK 2011 video has about 600k views. Assuming that's indicative of MK's fame in general, it seems perfectly reasonable that WB is looking to generate good hype for the MK brand, and this would be a very cheap way to do it.
Commander
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kontankarite
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
Honestly... I think we have what, four months before MK9? Really? If it doesn't come out in November or early December, why bother buying at all? We've all waited for MK9 for a long time now. What's another 3 or 4 months without any Mortal Kombat?
I think if they sit on their hands about this, then I think we'd probably hold off for the HD kollection to better afford MK9.
Honestly... I think we have what, four months before MK9? Really? If it doesn't come out in November or early December, why bother buying at all? We've all waited for MK9 for a long time now. What's another 3 or 4 months without any Mortal Kombat?
I think if they sit on their hands about this, then I think we'd probably hold off for the HD kollection to better afford MK9.
mdsfx
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
I don't think that anyone has done anything wrong, other than the rabid fans who are demanding information which, quite frankly, I find almost as laughable as threats of boycotting.
They don't owe you something just because a little bird told you about a game that might be in development.
I don't think that anyone has done anything wrong, other than the rabid fans who are demanding information which, quite frankly, I find almost as laughable as threats of boycotting.
They don't owe you something just because a little bird told you about a game that might be in development.
ShawnBronald
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
You do realize that major retail stores were accepting preorders on this game, right? That doesn't happen out of the rumor mill. Stores (real life stores) were accepting over $40 from customers. You don't take money (again, real money) because a little rumor spread online. The database where the game and release date were listed can only have this information input by the game's publisher. That doesn't happen by mistake. I don't think people fully understand this.
Let's just say I go to a Twisted Metal fan website and post on their forums, "My trusted industry sources indicate that Eat, Sleep, Play will be releasing the Twisted Metal HD Collection which includes Twisted Metal 1 and 2 in glorious high definition! It will be released on April 1, 2011!" Gamestop is NOT going to start taking preorders a month later. It's just not going to happen. I won't be able to walk into my local Walmart and ask the electronics clerk, "Hey, when's that new Twisted Metal HD game coming out?" and the clerk will actually see the release date listed in his computer. Nope, it doesn't work that way, sadly.
Both the above scenarios actually did happen with the MK HD Kollection, though. Gamestop took money from customers wishing to preorder the game and Walmart (among numberous other retail giants) had the game listed in their systems. For those reasons, and really those reasons alone, I feel WB owes everyone an explanation. Something, somewhere, somehow went terribly wrong and WB needs to own up to it. Plain and simple.
You do realize that major retail stores were accepting preorders on this game, right? That doesn't happen out of the rumor mill. Stores (real life stores) were accepting over $40 from customers. You don't take money (again, real money) because a little rumor spread online. The database where the game and release date were listed can only have this information input by the game's publisher. That doesn't happen by mistake. I don't think people fully understand this.
Let's just say I go to a Twisted Metal fan website and post on their forums, "My trusted industry sources indicate that Eat, Sleep, Play will be releasing the Twisted Metal HD Collection which includes Twisted Metal 1 and 2 in glorious high definition! It will be released on April 1, 2011!" Gamestop is NOT going to start taking preorders a month later. It's just not going to happen. I won't be able to walk into my local Walmart and ask the electronics clerk, "Hey, when's that new Twisted Metal HD game coming out?" and the clerk will actually see the release date listed in his computer. Nope, it doesn't work that way, sadly.
Both the above scenarios actually did happen with the MK HD Kollection, though. Gamestop took money from customers wishing to preorder the game and Walmart (among numberous other retail giants) had the game listed in their systems. For those reasons, and really those reasons alone, I feel WB owes everyone an explanation. Something, somewhere, somehow went terribly wrong and WB needs to own up to it. Plain and simple.
Commander
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
Agreed. I was one of those suckers ... uh ... I mean, customers.
Agreed. I was one of those suckers ... uh ... I mean, customers.
bronshonald
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
preach on brotha preach on.... The fight for mkhd continues
preach on brotha preach on.... The fight for mkhd continues
MajorWeirdo
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
That's what got my attention as well. The first time the game was mentionned on a Belgian/Dutch site, it was immediately removed and I've been tracking any posts of this game on every single gamestore (webstore or not) and it's the first one I found with an actual listing of the game.
Only question, why is WB or any other source not releasing any more info on this game? We just had the mention one day, the game would see the light some day but we got nothing else from them...
That's what got my attention as well. The first time the game was mentionned on a Belgian/Dutch site, it was immediately removed and I've been tracking any posts of this game on every single gamestore (webstore or not) and it's the first one I found with an actual listing of the game.
Only question, why is WB or any other source not releasing any more info on this game? We just had the mention one day, the game would see the light some day but we got nothing else from them...
kergon
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
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This is not directed to anyone in particular, but in general to everyone.
Before some of you start riots at your local Gamestops and WB Headquarters.
First of all, the earliest news of info on a new game being made is usually either through retailers and the trademark/copyright offices. The game media picks up on this and passes the info on to the fans. This is before any acknowledgement of the game existing is made by the developer, because retailers and the trademark office HAVE to know about something new before it gets to the media. So leaks a lot of times happen from retailer lists. A game almost always appears on a retailer list before an announcement by the developer/publisher saying it exists at all. The only difference is the time delay between the retailers knowing about it, and the publisher making an announcement about the game to the media.
As long as a game is on the retailer list, the game store can take a preorder on it and get your money. If the game gets delayed, the game store holds onto your money until the new date. If the game gets cancelled or comes off of the list if there is no new date yet, the game store gives you your money back.
Second, games that are on retailer lists get pushed back and delayed to a new date, sometimes without a new date, and sometimes cancelled. This can happen without the game media and fans knowing anything about the game at all.
Third, games get delayed all of the time. Just look at Gran Turismo 5. It was delayed and delayed and delayed for a long time. But that time spent on it was to make it better. But a delay based on the retailer list date is not a delay at all - because the real date is not announced yet.
So, to conclude, Gamestop or anyone else CAN collect your preorder money for the game IF it comes out, because it is on their list. But the game being on their list does not mean that the game will come out at all. WB doesn't owe you ANYTHING because you are not supposed to know about this game yet because the game hasn't been announced. Gamestop doesn't owe you ANYTHING, besides your preorder money, or they will hold it until the game releases. Just because you are anticipating a game, doesn't mean you deserve anything when it gets delayed!
MK HD suddenly appearing on retailer lists with a date, and then coming off them again is NORMAL in the game world, especially when there hasn't been an announcement for it. Games get delayed, move around, cancelled, disappear, and then reappear on the list ALL THE TIME - go to your Gamestop and ask them!!! Do I really need to spell this out to all of you???
Also, DO NOT SPREAD LIES stating that WB purposely put false info on retailer lists to 'generate buzz'. It makes you look selfish, and totally ignorant about how the gaming industry really works.
Edit:
This is not directed to anyone in particular, but in general to everyone.
Before some of you start riots at your local Gamestops and WB Headquarters.
First of all, the earliest news of info on a new game being made is usually either through retailers and the trademark/copyright offices. The game media picks up on this and passes the info on to the fans. This is before any acknowledgement of the game existing is made by the developer, because retailers and the trademark office HAVE to know about something new before it gets to the media. So leaks a lot of times happen from retailer lists. A game almost always appears on a retailer list before an announcement by the developer/publisher saying it exists at all. The only difference is the time delay between the retailers knowing about it, and the publisher making an announcement about the game to the media.
As long as a game is on the retailer list, the game store can take a preorder on it and get your money. If the game gets delayed, the game store holds onto your money until the new date. If the game gets cancelled or comes off of the list if there is no new date yet, the game store gives you your money back.
Second, games that are on retailer lists get pushed back and delayed to a new date, sometimes without a new date, and sometimes cancelled. This can happen without the game media and fans knowing anything about the game at all.
Third, games get delayed all of the time. Just look at Gran Turismo 5. It was delayed and delayed and delayed for a long time. But that time spent on it was to make it better. But a delay based on the retailer list date is not a delay at all - because the real date is not announced yet.
So, to conclude, Gamestop or anyone else CAN collect your preorder money for the game IF it comes out, because it is on their list. But the game being on their list does not mean that the game will come out at all. WB doesn't owe you ANYTHING because you are not supposed to know about this game yet because the game hasn't been announced. Gamestop doesn't owe you ANYTHING, besides your preorder money, or they will hold it until the game releases. Just because you are anticipating a game, doesn't mean you deserve anything when it gets delayed!
MK HD suddenly appearing on retailer lists with a date, and then coming off them again is NORMAL in the game world, especially when there hasn't been an announcement for it. Games get delayed, move around, cancelled, disappear, and then reappear on the list ALL THE TIME - go to your Gamestop and ask them!!! Do I really need to spell this out to all of you???
Also, DO NOT SPREAD LIES stating that WB purposely put false info on retailer lists to 'generate buzz'. It makes you look selfish, and totally ignorant about how the gaming industry really works.
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Commander
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
Using your Gran Turismo example:
WB should at least have the decency to say: "Yes, it's cancelled" or "Yes, it's delayed," as Gran Turismo 5 did.
Sure, Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed multiple times, but at least they had the decency to tell their fans it was being delayed.
They didn't leave their fans in the dark.
Using your Gran Turismo example:
WB should at least have the decency to say: "Yes, it's cancelled" or "Yes, it's delayed," as Gran Turismo 5 did.
Sure, Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed multiple times, but at least they had the decency to tell their fans it was being delayed.
They didn't leave their fans in the dark.
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I understand what you mean Kergon, but Araknyd03 is right, They should at least say "sorry guys, all this was a mistake, MK HD is not coming/got canceled, no need to expect it soon". If it was a mistake and they aren't saying anything about (because they can use that rumor to promote MK9) like when Ed said "We cant actually talk about that game", it's considered participating in a lie. And that is not cool at all.
I understand what you mean Kergon, but Araknyd03 is right, They should at least say "sorry guys, all this was a mistake, MK HD is not coming/got canceled, no need to expect it soon". If it was a mistake and they aren't saying anything about (because they can use that rumor to promote MK9) like when Ed said "We cant actually talk about that game", it's considered participating in a lie. And that is not cool at all.
jarvis653
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
kergon, I have to admit, your post states the very reasons that make me question my own campaign for info on this game. You do seem to be the voice of reason here. And yet, I'm still concerned about the situation, and I don't think it's due to curiosity. It's maybe hard to justify, but I feel (as many others do) that we've been treated unfairly. And I think that's due to a well known fact that the developers of these games DO pay close attention to the community, to the forums, to the outspoken fans. Which means they would have undoubtedly seen the unrest this rumour has caused.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that they didn't provide the initial information. It was outed, and I feel that at the very least they have the responsibility to address the leaks, if for nothing but to keep their loyal fanbase happy. That might sound naive and unrealistic, but I think it's actually uncommon that a company doesn't address a leak, or a delay. Enough people are convinced about this game's continued existence that they do get (if unjustly) frustrated about delays, especially if they pre-ordered. A company would want to give their customers peace of mind by providing correct information, wouldn't they? Otherwise, as ignorant as it sounds, it would seem like they are aiming to benefit from the controversy. Which may be a smart business move, but it's also dishonest and evasive. If that is what's actually occurring.
This collection is a hardcore fan's MK utopia, causing the rumour to be so widespread that surely it must have captured the developers' attention. I think the only thing that's keeping a backlash at bay is MK9, and I think that's what they're counting on. I know this because I myself forget all about MKHD, whenever I see the amazing development on MK9. But it's not because I'm attention-deficit or so impatient for another MK product, it's because I value both upcoming games. People will go a long way for nostalgia. Alternatively, you can say that no matter how much disappointment the fans go through, they will still buy the product in the end. Which is realistic, but backlash isn't so improbable either. Consumer mistrust bodes badly whichever way you cut it.
Alternatively again, we are all just getting worked up over something that really doesn't warrant it. But if so many people can feel the same way about it, obviously someone's doing something wrong. And as I've said before, I don't remember the last time a similar situation occured with another game; of course delays are to be expected, but being kept totally in the dark is not. I personally will continue to try and get to the bottom of this, if for only my own sense of entitlement, however misguided.
kergon, I have to admit, your post states the very reasons that make me question my own campaign for info on this game. You do seem to be the voice of reason here. And yet, I'm still concerned about the situation, and I don't think it's due to curiosity. It's maybe hard to justify, but I feel (as many others do) that we've been treated unfairly. And I think that's due to a well known fact that the developers of these games DO pay close attention to the community, to the forums, to the outspoken fans. Which means they would have undoubtedly seen the unrest this rumour has caused.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that they didn't provide the initial information. It was outed, and I feel that at the very least they have the responsibility to address the leaks, if for nothing but to keep their loyal fanbase happy. That might sound naive and unrealistic, but I think it's actually uncommon that a company doesn't address a leak, or a delay. Enough people are convinced about this game's continued existence that they do get (if unjustly) frustrated about delays, especially if they pre-ordered. A company would want to give their customers peace of mind by providing correct information, wouldn't they? Otherwise, as ignorant as it sounds, it would seem like they are aiming to benefit from the controversy. Which may be a smart business move, but it's also dishonest and evasive. If that is what's actually occurring.
This collection is a hardcore fan's MK utopia, causing the rumour to be so widespread that surely it must have captured the developers' attention. I think the only thing that's keeping a backlash at bay is MK9, and I think that's what they're counting on. I know this because I myself forget all about MKHD, whenever I see the amazing development on MK9. But it's not because I'm attention-deficit or so impatient for another MK product, it's because I value both upcoming games. People will go a long way for nostalgia. Alternatively, you can say that no matter how much disappointment the fans go through, they will still buy the product in the end. Which is realistic, but backlash isn't so improbable either. Consumer mistrust bodes badly whichever way you cut it.
Alternatively again, we are all just getting worked up over something that really doesn't warrant it. But if so many people can feel the same way about it, obviously someone's doing something wrong. And as I've said before, I don't remember the last time a similar situation occured with another game; of course delays are to be expected, but being kept totally in the dark is not. I personally will continue to try and get to the bottom of this, if for only my own sense of entitlement, however misguided.
ShawnBronald
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
To kergon:
I get your point, but I'm not entirely sure you understand how this whole process works. Are you drawing your information from actual knowledge or just what you perceive to know? I'm just curious.
I don't want to make another huge post (I'm sure no one wants to read these any more), but would like to just point out a few things. Firstly, companies of all sorts take out trademarks daily. That, in itself, does not entitle anyone to suddenly create a release date and start taking preorders. WB could, theoretically, take out a trademark for something called "Johnny Cage - You Got Caged" today and I highly doubt you'll be seeing it at Gamestop listed as "Coming Soon - TBA". Sorry. Now... however, if WB submits said game as "In Development" and gives a preliminary, targeted date, that would be entirely different. Most companies take out trademarks all the time so no one else registers it before them. That doesn't suddenly get the wheels rolling on any specific projects.... just gets them ready if they choose to go that route. Sometimes, they never do.
Regarding MK HD, a big time retail distributer had the game listed for companies to order. Basically, this distributor fullfills orders to retailers for their inventory. Gamestop, Walmart, Best Buy, etc... would order their stock from this company and then sell them to us, the general public. This particular company does not put up a listing unless they're mostly certain they can fulfill their orders. It's absolutely not the same as Gamestop taking a preorder.
Finally, and on a lesser note, the game had received an official bar code. That doesn't happen from rumors and hearsay.
Okay, okay... I made a semi-long post, but I wanted to make my points clear. Have at it! ;-)
To kergon:
I get your point, but I'm not entirely sure you understand how this whole process works. Are you drawing your information from actual knowledge or just what you perceive to know? I'm just curious.
I don't want to make another huge post (I'm sure no one wants to read these any more), but would like to just point out a few things. Firstly, companies of all sorts take out trademarks daily. That, in itself, does not entitle anyone to suddenly create a release date and start taking preorders. WB could, theoretically, take out a trademark for something called "Johnny Cage - You Got Caged" today and I highly doubt you'll be seeing it at Gamestop listed as "Coming Soon - TBA". Sorry. Now... however, if WB submits said game as "In Development" and gives a preliminary, targeted date, that would be entirely different. Most companies take out trademarks all the time so no one else registers it before them. That doesn't suddenly get the wheels rolling on any specific projects.... just gets them ready if they choose to go that route. Sometimes, they never do.
Regarding MK HD, a big time retail distributer had the game listed for companies to order. Basically, this distributor fullfills orders to retailers for their inventory. Gamestop, Walmart, Best Buy, etc... would order their stock from this company and then sell them to us, the general public. This particular company does not put up a listing unless they're mostly certain they can fulfill their orders. It's absolutely not the same as Gamestop taking a preorder.
Finally, and on a lesser note, the game had received an official bar code. That doesn't happen from rumors and hearsay.
Okay, okay... I made a semi-long post, but I wanted to make my points clear. Have at it! ;-)
jarvis653
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ShawnBronald
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
Something kind of interesting and worth noting. Just saw that Samsung's 3D games Twitter account just tweeted (did I just say that?) this message:
No one appears to have asked them, they just felt the need to post it. Hhm....
Something kind of interesting and worth noting. Just saw that Samsung's 3D games Twitter account just tweeted (did I just say that?) this message:
Samsung3DPro_ST via Twitter said:
No one appears to have asked them, they just felt the need to post it. Hhm....
kontankarite
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Re: MK Arcade Collection in November (?)
Man... seriously. *facepalm*
Man... seriously. *facepalm*
