Time_Bubbles
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It's literally one move that would greatly set her apart from Sub-Zero and help her offensive game as tekeporters tend to be very aggressive and fir good reason.
Frost for MKX
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It's literally one move that would greatly set her apart from Sub-Zero and help her offensive game as tekeporters tend to be very aggressive and fir good reason.
Time_Bubbles
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Misucra
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Kitty_55
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Sorry, I just don't see how having a teleport move would make her any better when she can literally HAVE a brand new, never before seen move.
I'd rather see that, than rely on old tactics, despite that we've seen that happen countless of times. People keep saying on here that they want to see her at least have something new, giving her a teleport isn't new. Yes, it's one move, but that one move makes a difference even if many doesn't think that.
As much as I want Frost to return, I definitely would appreciate the crap out of those who are responsible for making move sets to not rely on teleports anymore. To be perfectly honest, I hope they stop making teleports for new characters and just stick with those who has had them longer than one-two games. Her teleport, in my opinion, stuck out. Her Deadly Alliance abilities stuck out more than a measly teleport punch.
I'd rather see that, than rely on old tactics, despite that we've seen that happen countless of times. People keep saying on here that they want to see her at least have something new, giving her a teleport isn't new. Yes, it's one move, but that one move makes a difference even if many doesn't think that.
As much as I want Frost to return, I definitely would appreciate the crap out of those who are responsible for making move sets to not rely on teleports anymore. To be perfectly honest, I hope they stop making teleports for new characters and just stick with those who has had them longer than one-two games. Her teleport, in my opinion, stuck out. Her Deadly Alliance abilities stuck out more than a measly teleport punch.
Time_Bubbles
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Nothing says that she cannot have a Teleport, which would GREATLY set her apart from Sub-Zero, and other new abilities. Remember, characters can have 3 Variations and not all characters even have the same number of Specials as some have more than others.
Teleports aren't going anywhere, though they did cut back on them.
That's nice but completely irrelevant as this isn't about them, this is about Frost. Though go ahead and make topics for each of those characters. Maybe people will show as much interest there as they do here for Frost.
FYI - Those are all MALE Characters while Frost is a FEMALE Character. If we get another Kombat Pack it will have at least 1 Female Klassic Character so those characters that you prefer? They aren't even competing for the spot Frost would be aiming for anyway. Instead they would be competing with each other. Let that sink in.
Thus the ONLY competition for Frost is...
Jade
Li Mei
Sareena
Sindel
And none of them are talked about or requested anywhere near as much as Frost. Only Tanya had more requests going for her and we're getting her already.
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Just making an observation that frost wouldnt be at the top of my list for DLC, surely a topic about frost would contain both comments about people who would prefer her in and people who wouldnt. i still think its relevant
Time_Bubbles
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Frost is one of the most requested and talked about characters (In fact, out of NPCs she is the most talked about Character with Fujin and Rain afterward) and with Tanya in she's bar none the most desired female character with Li Mei after her.
Despite Noob and Smoke being very popular no one is even talking about them all that much. Instead Fujin and Rain are getting a ton more requests and buzz for male additions.
Well you said your piece, you don't want her and would rather have male characters that she wouldn't be competing against anyway.
Kitty_55
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You know, you give me the impression that you think I'm not aware of certain things with several of your last posts to me. I would kindly ask to you stop with that because I am greatly aware that each character in X has three variations with the exception of the NPCs that you fight in story mode.
There's another reason why I would like to not see Frost have her teleport punch that I haven't listed and I'm kinda shocked in seeing how no one else has mentioned it. I guess I'll come out and say it:
Scorpion literally has her teleport punch
Yeah, you can easily sit there and type back "They can obviously change the ending to that move so that it's different than Scorpion's." The problem with that is you're basically saying that those in charge of coming up with special abilities for these characters are playing it safe with Frost's return. That, instead of doing something brand new with her, let's just cheat her out of impressing people by sticking with her old moves and not do anything differently.
Yeah, except you have an abundance of people in this thread literally saying to give Frost brand new moves so that she doesn't at all play like Sub-Zero. Giving her a teleport doesn't cut it because you're essentially giving her nothing new and this game doesn't need to play it safe anymore. It's already impressed a hell of a lot of people. If they are to make Frost become an actual, playable character, then make her unique. Scratch everything about her past abilities and give her something brand new that we haven't seen. There is no reason to keep going back in the past and bringing it back for a character to have but just changing a few things with it. That's not doing anything new.
It's like the episode of Ed, Edd, and Eddy where Eddy is bringing all of the kids down to this random area to get them all to play a game that's basically shooting marshmallows at Ed. When the kids get bored of it, they go find something different. Eddy brings them back again by getting them do to the same exact thing but changes things up again. It's virtually the same exact game but with a different look.
Eventually, the kids get bored and none of them wants to do with the trio anymore.
That is basically what you're doing every time you decide to bring back that kind of move and changing minor things to it so that it's not the same as last game's or whatever. Instead, the way to make her more unique and to play completely different is that you stop relying on similar moves to give her as well as giving her back her old set, and just do something brand new. It'll not only impress those who have never been impressed with her, but it'll also impress those who have never heard of her.
Time_Bubbles
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I'm merely pointing out that a Teleport would great help her and that MKX doesn't even have that many Teleporters. That and she would be the only Cyromancer with a Teleport anyway which instantly makes her far different from the Turtle Defensive Style of Sub-Zero.
They already did change the ending of the Teleport for her in Armageddon. So not seeing why that's an issue.
You assume I don't want new moves her for her as well. What I'm saying is that a Teleport would be perfect for her as a Teleport would greatly enhance a far greater offensive style and set her apart from Sub-Zero from the get go.
Not seeing the point of that reference here as what you described is nothing what I'm suggesting.
Are people tired of Sub-Zero having an Ice Ball? Or Scorpion having his Chain? They aren't so why are you making this an issue? Besides, her Teleport was unique as it had a different Hit Box, Priority, was an Uppercut, Speed, and Damage as well as being Grounded.
They already did change the ending of the Teleport for her in Armageddon. So not seeing why that's an issue.
You assume I don't want new moves her for her as well. What I'm saying is that a Teleport would be perfect for her as a Teleport would greatly enhance a far greater offensive style and set her apart from Sub-Zero from the get go.
Not seeing the point of that reference here as what you described is nothing what I'm suggesting.
Are people tired of Sub-Zero having an Ice Ball? Or Scorpion having his Chain? They aren't so why are you making this an issue? Besides, her Teleport was unique as it had a different Hit Box, Priority, was an Uppercut, Speed, and Damage as well as being Grounded.
p.W
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Cheers, man. I'm glad you were able to see the humor in it.
I really dig your design, btw. That mask is killer.
Rocanrol
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In that aspect, i kind of like what KI is doing with their own characters. Each on their own have distinctive mechanics and gameplay, different style and pace. Maybe there is one classic shoto, but the next one is another version, having their own advantages and disadvantages, while retaining some structure.
NRS could learn a bit from that (i think this take on different fighting styles it's on the right track), and not making every character have a projectile, or a teleport, a command grab or else...
NRS could learn a bit from that (i think this take on different fighting styles it's on the right track), and not making every character have a projectile, or a teleport, a command grab or else...
Time_Bubbles
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Just because a character has a Projectile, for example, doesn't make it the same as another's.
Take Liu Kang's multiple Projectiles. No other is like it. Or Sub-Zero's Ice Ball or the Poison Balls from Reptile.
They're all on varying speeds as well and do very different things that allow different combo set ups.
From playing MKX a lot lately I can say that no character plays the same or even alike. Even Cassie is so very much different from both her parents.
Such as, I'm really good with Cassie but I cannot play Sonya or Johnny all that well.
Misucra
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Thanks, mate. Pretty strange that I am getting now way more positive feedback about the mask, than before. She had that mask on previous versions of her, but people didn't like it that much. Maybe her outfit did the magic.
Also [MENTION=16500]Kitty_55[/MENTION] and [MENTION=17833]Time_Bubbles[/MENTION]
I am getting a feeling that you're talking about teleport, like the one scorpion or ermac uses. Goes to a different side, than appears on the opposite side and punches the opponent. No... Hell no. We already have enough of those teleports.
I was thinking of a teleport where Frost is always on the screen, but she just moves through the ground.
Imagine like running with Frost towards the opponent, and then opponent is about to attack. Frost shatters and travels through the ground as this ice/snow "puddle" and then jumps out from behind and mess his day up. Of course if you would mess up it could be punishable.
Of course such teleports could be exclusive to one variation. Just like Raiden's DISPLACER. But instead of just jumping around the opponent, you could actually toy with him and do surprise attacks, without even leaving the screen. I never saw any character do that. They would always disappear off screen.
Also it would fit Frost's ego. To show her superiority, I bet she would love to toy with opponent in such way.
Time_Bubbles
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On another note.
Frost is one of the few characters who got a vast improvement to her model, like Cassie did, after her initial appearance.
Compare the Original to the Final Version.
Original
Final
That's a ton of extra work to put in someone whose supposed to just be an NPC, no?
Now compare her to Baraka.
Much more detailed than Baraka.
And now Smoke.
About the same detail though Smoke didn't even get a new costume, that's his MK9 Alt. He's also a Faction Kill which is just his alt for MK9.
Frost is one of the few characters who got a vast improvement to her model, like Cassie did, after her initial appearance.
Compare the Original to the Final Version.
Original
Final
That's a ton of extra work to put in someone whose supposed to just be an NPC, no?
Now compare her to Baraka.
Much more detailed than Baraka.
And now Smoke.
About the same detail though Smoke didn't even get a new costume, that's his MK9 Alt. He's also a Faction Kill which is just his alt for MK9.
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theincubuslord
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I utterly hate that she is dressed almost exactly like Subbie's main...
Tarkatan Trash
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Once a Sub-Zero copycat, always a Sub-Zero copycat.
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Rocanrol
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I did said that NRS was on the right track with the variation system, although you can't argue that balance and variety aren't their greatest strenght. They are well known for adding palette swap chars one after the other, same goes with clone characters... NRS did made some ridiculous characters such as kobra, mavado, hsu hao, etc...
Lately they have been making great games and each instalment feels better than the last
Time_Bubbles
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She's his Protege. This shows her position and importance in the Lin Kuei as everyone else wears the generic Lin Kuei outfit.
She even dressed sorta like him in Deadly Alliance. Sure it was his alt but that alt eventually got updated and made his main in Armageddon. So this isn't anything new, Frost was always made to sport and outfit that has strong ties to her Sifu.
Not to mention that there is details upon her outfit that are completely MIA on Sub-Zero's outfit and vice versa. They don't even wear the same pants, belt, and the torso has clear differences as well as the arm area.
So saying she's almost exactly like Sub-Zero is highly inaccurate.
Do I need to post Sub-Zero's outfit as well to reinforce that fact?
Yet there are no clones or palette swaps in MKX so that isn't an issue. NRS has also been culling characters like Hsu Hao.
As baseless as ever, I see. When will you familiarize yourself with the characters? If you don't desire to ever do as such then please tell me now so I can just put you on ignore.
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theincubuslord
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Exactly. "This isn't anything new". That's exactly why I hate it. If Frost is to be her own character, she should have her own outfit, not just a female size Sub-Zero costume.