Ricochetmatt
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So not very professional, you mean...
Final thoughts on MKX?
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So not very professional, you mean...
NathanCorsini
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Sorry for not explaining exactly what i meant... technically, it really have a movie feel, different from MK9.
Ricochetmatt
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Imo, story-mode was incredibly half-assed. There was no consistency, plot holes at every turn, moments in which it felt like a Saturday morning cartoon, crucial characters within the MK lore are written off with little to no explanation, the dialogue was atrocious at times... Nothing professional about it, really.
But again, the concept was great. NRS just needs better writers.
But again, the concept was great. NRS just needs better writers.
BBBLP
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MKX story just cemented the fact that Shinnok is the most useless villain in the series.
Shao Kahn's forces managed to kill off half of the MK9 roster, and it took the combined might of the Worlds' gods themselves to take him out. And this was after almost dying from having a hole punched in this chest.
Only casualties in MKX were fukking villains. Shinnok didn't merc a single notable soul. And and top of it, got his ass whooped by a little girl, while in his final God form. Get that clowny ass piece of shit out of here. See you in Armageddon 2 you funking loser
Also really pisses me off that they chose to focus the story on these useless brats, than on one of the biggest events in MK history. The Outworld civil war.
This could have been the greatest MK cutscene since the Shaolin Monks intro
Shao Kahn's forces managed to kill off half of the MK9 roster, and it took the combined might of the Worlds' gods themselves to take him out. And this was after almost dying from having a hole punched in this chest.
Only casualties in MKX were fukking villains. Shinnok didn't merc a single notable soul. And and top of it, got his ass whooped by a little girl, while in his final God form. Get that clowny ass piece of shit out of here. See you in Armageddon 2 you funking loser
Also really pisses me off that they chose to focus the story on these useless brats, than on one of the biggest events in MK history. The Outworld civil war.
This could have been the greatest MK cutscene since the Shaolin Monks intro
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Ricochetmatt
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While I think Shinnok was a step up from when he was introduced in MK4... It still bothered the fu** out of me that he really wasn't as powerful and threatening as he should have been. He's a fu**ing fallen Elder God. How does NRS keep missing the damn mark with him?!
I absolutely love the concept and story of Shinnok. I really really REALLY want to call him my favorite villain of the series. But Boon and friends are making that incredibly difficult for me.
And like BBBLP said - The Outworld Civil War SHOULD have been a bigger focus in MKX. Period.
I like the MK juniors and all... But holy fu** were they overpowered and overplayed to death.
MKX's story bugs me so much in fact, that every time I think about it I'm tempted to write my own version of the story.
But again - Great concept. Terrible execution.
I absolutely love the concept and story of Shinnok. I really really REALLY want to call him my favorite villain of the series. But Boon and friends are making that incredibly difficult for me.
And like BBBLP said - The Outworld Civil War SHOULD have been a bigger focus in MKX. Period.
I like the MK juniors and all... But holy fu** were they overpowered and overplayed to death.
MKX's story bugs me so much in fact, that every time I think about it I'm tempted to write my own version of the story.
But again - Great concept. Terrible execution.
Nasty_Freak
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Actually, Shinnok's is more powerful than ever as his Corrupted form. He is very intimidating and annoying to fight against a lot of times. NRS did a good job of revamping him. It's enough that Corrupted Shinnok keeps throwing the flames numerous times barely allowing the player to move. But none the less, I still manage to defeat him and he does put quite of a challenge as a boss though sometimes very cheap. I think Shinnok's left his mark a final boss (and I mean how a final boss really is).While I think Shinnok was a step up from when he was introduced in MK4... It still bothered the fu** out of me that he really wasn't as powerful and threatening as he should have been. He's a fu**ing fallen Elder God. How does NRS keep missing the damn mark with him?!
I absolutely love the concept and story of Shinnok. I really really REALLY want to call him my favorite villain of the series. But Boon and friends are making that incredibly difficult for me.
And like BBBLP said - The Outworld Civil War SHOULD have been a bigger focus in MKX. Period.
I like the MK juniors and all... But holy fu** were they overpowered and overplayed to death.
MKX's story bugs me so much in fact, that every time I think about it I'm tempted to write my own version of the story.
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But again - Great concept. Terrible execution.
theincubuslord
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It must also be hard to balance a character like Shinnok. He's supposed to be this really powerful god-like character, but he can't be overpowered in his gameplay, as that would be unfair and unbalanced.
And like Nasty Freak says, he then has a boss form, Corrupted Shinnok, who IS this powerful/overpowered character gameplay wise, as a boss character should be, to give the players some extra challenge.
The only problem I have is that he is given this move, the chest cannon fire move, that is almost impossible to react to (at least for me) and feels too unbalanced. But I can only imagine how hard it must be to balance a character like that.
And like Nasty Freak says, he then has a boss form, Corrupted Shinnok, who IS this powerful/overpowered character gameplay wise, as a boss character should be, to give the players some extra challenge.
The only problem I have is that he is given this move, the chest cannon fire move, that is almost impossible to react to (at least for me) and feels too unbalanced. But I can only imagine how hard it must be to balance a character like that.
Nasty_Freak
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I hope in MK11 JADE WILL BE THE ONE TO FINISH THE FINAL BOSS IN STORY MODE!!!
Commander
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I share the same complaint about the Outworld Civil War that BBBLP does.
So much could have been done to showcase the Outworld Civil War and those events, but nope.
I always had the feeling that Boon and NRS were like "Welp, Kittlesen has that covered in the comics, so we don't have to," and that feeling feels more right to me now, than ever.
It's 1 of the main reasons why I didn't want comics for MKX.
For that very reason.
The game's story mode suffered because (IMO) they relegated the more interesting parts of the story to the comics.
Civil war in the game? Why? The comics cover some of that.
Origins of Kotal Kahn? Nope. The comics cover that.
Sub-Zero turning human again? Nope. The comics cover that.
Havik and Reiko and their involvement in all of the Outworld Civil War? Nope. The comics cover that.
On top of all of those examples of how story stuff in the comics was more interesting, there was also some cool stuff in the comics that never made the light of day in the game.
The Blood Dagers storyline was pretty interesting, and it could have been used to better tie into Shinnok, IMO.
Instead, we get a brief mention of the Reiko accords in story mode, with Raiden saying that to Bo Rai Cho, but if you blink you'd miss it.
So much could have been done to showcase the Outworld Civil War and those events, but nope.
I always had the feeling that Boon and NRS were like "Welp, Kittlesen has that covered in the comics, so we don't have to," and that feeling feels more right to me now, than ever.
It's 1 of the main reasons why I didn't want comics for MKX.
For that very reason.
The game's story mode suffered because (IMO) they relegated the more interesting parts of the story to the comics.
Civil war in the game? Why? The comics cover some of that.
Origins of Kotal Kahn? Nope. The comics cover that.
Sub-Zero turning human again? Nope. The comics cover that.
Havik and Reiko and their involvement in all of the Outworld Civil War? Nope. The comics cover that.
On top of all of those examples of how story stuff in the comics was more interesting, there was also some cool stuff in the comics that never made the light of day in the game.
The Blood Dagers storyline was pretty interesting, and it could have been used to better tie into Shinnok, IMO.
Instead, we get a brief mention of the Reiko accords in story mode, with Raiden saying that to Bo Rai Cho, but if you blink you'd miss it.
londonhellgate
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My final thought, is like mk9, a game with certain productive resources but with a big incredible sad and stupid result. I am agreed about the civil war at story wise that you are complaining. But mk juniors are shit for nothing. Also Stupid NRS have erased alot potential characters and mk juniior should be an stupid npc like appeared at the stages. Honestly most stupid error is bring back to life ppl that was gone in previous game and too some of them appear like if nothing were happened cof cof cof, kintana, kang, jax and kung lao. Too the final boss, a big beast is beaten by a milatary weak babe? really? what the ´fn hell nrs have in mind? also the stupid green aura like an excuse wow NRS just wow!!!!!!! you means that weed green smoke is the key for destroy shinnok ´fn ´fn ´fn ´fn ´fn ´fn ´fn pathetic. Ah about dlc content well, i still thinks that the invited character should to be showed in the end of releases for avoid problems. Also again, they should brings back characters that were few worked from the past, not just making a new one character or bring an invite character. Honestly Mk10 has taken the same error Like diablo 3 game, yeahh a game with huge sales but with a horrible, pathetic, stupid, unpurist, and ridicule quality, f-u.c.k you the reboot and f-u.ck you boon/ NRs that since mk3 and then since MKD they are ruining to MK. Tobias should back here.
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Xenon
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Gameplay: I dunno. I just cannot grasp a some things, it feels weird. Minimal exposure to online, and that's a big plus from what I hear. 6/10.
Story mode: Nonsensical and boring. 1/10.
Sound: Good, but some of the soundtracks are garbage tier. 7/10.
Graphics: It just doesn't feel like a "next gen" title. UE3 is simply too outdated at this point. Some of the design decisions were awesome, some just plain stupid. 5/10.
The misc things like those living towers, DLC and etc I simply didn't bother with.
PC port? You know, the port I gave £50 for? Shit. 0/10.
Overalls: a very, very average game at best, awful at worst.
Story mode: Nonsensical and boring. 1/10.
Sound: Good, but some of the soundtracks are garbage tier. 7/10.
Graphics: It just doesn't feel like a "next gen" title. UE3 is simply too outdated at this point. Some of the design decisions were awesome, some just plain stupid. 5/10.
The misc things like those living towers, DLC and etc I simply didn't bother with.
PC port? You know, the port I gave £50 for? Shit. 0/10.
Overalls: a very, very average game at best, awful at worst.
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Yellow Ledbetter
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Well...
1- Gameplay: it has always been secondary to me, but I think it's smooth, has pretty good kombos and animations, I can have fun with it.
Shinnok has too few kombos, just like Scorpion, sometimes that's bad (for Shinnok, for exemple).
2- Story: with a cool head, more foot to the ground to say.
Mostly I liked it, IMO they made a good connection with MK9.
As said by fellow users above, Outworld's civil war was pretty much bad explored.
The game itself could have spared Earthrealm from becoming an eternal camp of invasion and center on Outworld, and they could have done it without going away from their idea, except for the obvious Jinsei (which is a very good idea about life of the realm, IMO).
I liked how the plot has evolved, I liked the new characters, I absolutely loved the ending.
Scorpion: pretty nice twist, but, in the end, they made him do some BS as always.
Sub-Zero: wish I've seen more. Thank Elder Gods, human again.
Raiden: too absent of the story, possibly to balance with his latest appearances. Won't add here at all (remember that I said that it was a "cold headed" comment) that I thought he should have beaten Shinnok (passionate comment).
Cassie's victory: to tell you the truth, I don't think MK fights are based on strenght, but skill, and I'm not saying that an Elder God doesn't have more skills than a 20 year old human, but, you know, chances are chances.
Kotal: as said about Outworld, I think that in the end he acted like dumb. They should have let D'vorah's allegiance more clear to him.
Erron Black and Ermac: little screentime, if Outworld had more attention...
Johnny & Sonya: too much complaints, but none from me. Never cared about both, but I liked them in MKX. Seriously, they were "Adam and Eve" of MK9, it was obvious they would play major roles. Finally Cage got a little more serious. Sonya looks pretty badass. About "just humans", well, they are not like us, right?
Shinnok: absolutely awesome, he was what he should always should be. Not very climatic ending for him, but extremely good entrance. Showed himself as a true boss (story).
Revenants: I'll show more of my opinion later on roster topic, but inside the story, Liu Kang was awesome, still, I expect a future about Jade. Nice to see Sindel and the other NPC again.
3- Roster: You know, the same way they could have given more attention to Outworld, our roster could have been differently.
Revenant characters should have been the big surprise. I hate those old versions, what ifs that scammed us all, in the main roster.
Liu Kang, Kitana and Kung Lao should have never been in the MAIN roster. Unlockable? That would be the best. DLC? Maybe. But never older versions that serve no purpose.
The story have dealt with quite few villains, since the story basically make Outworld as neutral. In the end, we had 1-3 villains, and one of them absorbed the others.
We discussed many things about characters like Reiko, Havik, Onaga, etc., they could have served well MKX, but let's talk about'em more o next topic.
4- Komics: Look, when I firstly put my very eyes into the komics, I loved them.
I felt Kittelsen was a good writer, he indeed is, and everything was fine.
Then, the game came out.
Seriously, I pretty much don't care about anything outside the game.
Now, looking to the whole ground of MKX, I can say the komics suck so hard, they are inconsistent, incoherent, they kill every millimiter of canon and of the story.
I know we have changes, but dude, the comics simply pick a character, ignore their very substance and start inventing a lot of BS.
They created an idiotic story about blood, put the One Being in it, then said it was Nitara, gave Havik lots of powers totally outside his character, created a possibly promising Reiko just to kill him in a very anti-climatic way, expressely destroyed Onaga's origins and give me the feel that Kittelsen is there just to erase what we call 3D era.
It seems NRS gave Kittelsen freedom to erase everything, and most MK fans are so desperate to see their favorite characeters that they just don't care if they are coming in a distorted and incoherent way from the original, also, considering the number of chars, many fans simply don't care about coherence of the whole plot, and discard those that they dislike/don't care/are neutral, but in the end these changes complicate the whole story.
Many komics were pretty bad drawn, and Kittelsen himself says to be a MK fan, but, seriously, I really doubt how wide is his knowledge, judging by how he destroys the characters. Pretty easy to earn money like this, I pick up an original creation and start doing my stories inside the universe of the original creator and changing the characters the way I want, without any care about harmony.
I will repeat: MKX komics are FORMALLY canon, because Boon said it. Essentially, it's absurdely non canon, but market speaks louder.
5- Kombat Packs: The first one looked cooler, Jason was announced before, so I thought he would be the only guest.
Then came Predator, well, I really like the character, but I will always expect and want more MK chars, whatever market speaks.
Tanya and Tremor were well added.
Then came KP2. Fujin was highly asked, his story appearance was pretty good, and we do have some MK chars on story.
Nope. We got Bo' Rai Cho (expected, those farts on a Kombat Stream, and he was in the story, needs more justice)and Tri-Borg (I must admit it's a pretty clever idea, I wanted Sektor back, Cyrax was welcome, but the random Lin Kuei...I assume it's not Smoke for obvious reasons) from MK. Then, instead of genuine MK chars,we got two (IIIIIIMMMMMMMOOOOOOO) unnecessary guest characters. This is MK, not AvP.
But we can't pretend there isn't people that like guests, even to the point to make a new Marvel vs Capcom inside MK (sales, right?), but it's annoying that they mix this what ifs fan fictional things into MK chars. I seriously believe there should be guest packs and MK character packs. Every guest that is added to a KP means, to me, -2 MK characters.
Notice that we could have, despite the clever idea, Sektor AND Cyrax, but they put both into one, and a random-dude-that-if-it's-Smoke-then-What-If-went-beyond-measures, just to leave two spots for guests. Imagine, when they put Ronald McDonald and Bozo in KP3, maybe they want to put more one guest, so they could make one MK character that every variation is another. Don't doubt it.
So far, that's it, I have much fun with the game, love the beginning, enjoy the course, love the end of the story, dislike the comics with every canon corner of my existence, dislike too many guests and want more MK inside MK.
1- Gameplay: it has always been secondary to me, but I think it's smooth, has pretty good kombos and animations, I can have fun with it.
Shinnok has too few kombos, just like Scorpion, sometimes that's bad (for Shinnok, for exemple).
2- Story: with a cool head, more foot to the ground to say.
Mostly I liked it, IMO they made a good connection with MK9.
As said by fellow users above, Outworld's civil war was pretty much bad explored.
The game itself could have spared Earthrealm from becoming an eternal camp of invasion and center on Outworld, and they could have done it without going away from their idea, except for the obvious Jinsei (which is a very good idea about life of the realm, IMO).
I liked how the plot has evolved, I liked the new characters, I absolutely loved the ending.
Scorpion: pretty nice twist, but, in the end, they made him do some BS as always.
Sub-Zero: wish I've seen more. Thank Elder Gods, human again.
Raiden: too absent of the story, possibly to balance with his latest appearances. Won't add here at all (remember that I said that it was a "cold headed" comment) that I thought he should have beaten Shinnok (passionate comment).
Cassie's victory: to tell you the truth, I don't think MK fights are based on strenght, but skill, and I'm not saying that an Elder God doesn't have more skills than a 20 year old human, but, you know, chances are chances.
Kotal: as said about Outworld, I think that in the end he acted like dumb. They should have let D'vorah's allegiance more clear to him.
Erron Black and Ermac: little screentime, if Outworld had more attention...
Johnny & Sonya: too much complaints, but none from me. Never cared about both, but I liked them in MKX. Seriously, they were "Adam and Eve" of MK9, it was obvious they would play major roles. Finally Cage got a little more serious. Sonya looks pretty badass. About "just humans", well, they are not like us, right?
Shinnok: absolutely awesome, he was what he should always should be. Not very climatic ending for him, but extremely good entrance. Showed himself as a true boss (story).
Revenants: I'll show more of my opinion later on roster topic, but inside the story, Liu Kang was awesome, still, I expect a future about Jade. Nice to see Sindel and the other NPC again.
3- Roster: You know, the same way they could have given more attention to Outworld, our roster could have been differently.
Revenant characters should have been the big surprise. I hate those old versions, what ifs that scammed us all, in the main roster.
Liu Kang, Kitana and Kung Lao should have never been in the MAIN roster. Unlockable? That would be the best. DLC? Maybe. But never older versions that serve no purpose.
The story have dealt with quite few villains, since the story basically make Outworld as neutral. In the end, we had 1-3 villains, and one of them absorbed the others.
We discussed many things about characters like Reiko, Havik, Onaga, etc., they could have served well MKX, but let's talk about'em more o next topic.
4- Komics: Look, when I firstly put my very eyes into the komics, I loved them.
I felt Kittelsen was a good writer, he indeed is, and everything was fine.
Then, the game came out.
Seriously, I pretty much don't care about anything outside the game.
Now, looking to the whole ground of MKX, I can say the komics suck so hard, they are inconsistent, incoherent, they kill every millimiter of canon and of the story.
I know we have changes, but dude, the comics simply pick a character, ignore their very substance and start inventing a lot of BS.
They created an idiotic story about blood, put the One Being in it, then said it was Nitara, gave Havik lots of powers totally outside his character, created a possibly promising Reiko just to kill him in a very anti-climatic way, expressely destroyed Onaga's origins and give me the feel that Kittelsen is there just to erase what we call 3D era.
It seems NRS gave Kittelsen freedom to erase everything, and most MK fans are so desperate to see their favorite characeters that they just don't care if they are coming in a distorted and incoherent way from the original, also, considering the number of chars, many fans simply don't care about coherence of the whole plot, and discard those that they dislike/don't care/are neutral, but in the end these changes complicate the whole story.
Many komics were pretty bad drawn, and Kittelsen himself says to be a MK fan, but, seriously, I really doubt how wide is his knowledge, judging by how he destroys the characters. Pretty easy to earn money like this, I pick up an original creation and start doing my stories inside the universe of the original creator and changing the characters the way I want, without any care about harmony.
I will repeat: MKX komics are FORMALLY canon, because Boon said it. Essentially, it's absurdely non canon, but market speaks louder.
5- Kombat Packs: The first one looked cooler, Jason was announced before, so I thought he would be the only guest.
Then came Predator, well, I really like the character, but I will always expect and want more MK chars, whatever market speaks.
Tanya and Tremor were well added.
Then came KP2. Fujin was highly asked, his story appearance was pretty good, and we do have some MK chars on story.
Nope. We got Bo' Rai Cho (expected, those farts on a Kombat Stream, and he was in the story, needs more justice)and Tri-Borg (I must admit it's a pretty clever idea, I wanted Sektor back, Cyrax was welcome, but the random Lin Kuei...I assume it's not Smoke for obvious reasons) from MK. Then, instead of genuine MK chars,we got two (IIIIIIMMMMMMMOOOOOOO) unnecessary guest characters. This is MK, not AvP.
But we can't pretend there isn't people that like guests, even to the point to make a new Marvel vs Capcom inside MK (sales, right?), but it's annoying that they mix this what ifs fan fictional things into MK chars. I seriously believe there should be guest packs and MK character packs. Every guest that is added to a KP means, to me, -2 MK characters.
Notice that we could have, despite the clever idea, Sektor AND Cyrax, but they put both into one, and a random-dude-that-if-it's-Smoke-then-What-If-went-beyond-measures, just to leave two spots for guests. Imagine, when they put Ronald McDonald and Bozo in KP3, maybe they want to put more one guest, so they could make one MK character that every variation is another. Don't doubt it.
So far, that's it, I have much fun with the game, love the beginning, enjoy the course, love the end of the story, dislike the comics with every canon corner of my existence, dislike too many guests and want more MK inside MK.
The fact that not a single good character died is sad.
BAdass Liu Kang
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MKX gameplay wise it was pretty good. Very smooth very responsive. Most characters felt how they were supposed to, especially Liu Kang. As for story mode it could have been much better chapter one was the best chapter in the entire story, following chapters failed to capture the aura. I felt like they forced the new generation of characters down our throats. And it helped we hate them even more. What really made me mad was the fact that I felt like characters didn't have power levels there is no way any of the new kids should be able to even touch Sub Zero. I was really annoyed at the fact in one of the cutscenes that Jackie was actually keeping up with Liu Kang. Everyone knows Liu Kang is one of the strongest characters in the entire Mortal Kombat universe why is Jackie going toe to toe with him? I feel like it the story had some semblance of power levels between characters it would have felt much better to me. I also felt like they could have explored much more between the conflict of Liu Kang and Raiden. Rather than it being relegated 1 cutscene. You would expect that bsttle to be cataclysmic and epic , the student vs the master
Destroyer_13
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not to mention D'Vorah just stood there like an idiot while Scorpion killed Quan Chi. I dont remember why Quan Chi didn't release Shinnok a bit earlier. He might not have died then.
mandead
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He had the spell, D'Vorah had the amulet.