Jade & Noob are the most "wtf happened to them" chars IMO.
I rewatched Raiden's chapter from MK9 and all the revenants from MK9 are in MKX except Jade.. Noone knows why is that.. Also in Kitana's ending we see
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Jade & Noob are the most "wtf happened to them" chars IMO.
I rewatched Raiden's chapter from MK9 and all the revenants from MK9 are in MKX except Jade.. Noone knows why is that.. Also in Kitana's ending we see
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Vogel already implied via Twitter that he didn't.
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My point isn't that we need updates on the Trilogy cast, though.
My point is that with those things getting absolutely NO explanation in MKX, it also leaves questions to be answered.
Do I think that Shang will be back later?
Who knows?
Will Jade be back? Maybe.
The problem with these characters getting no explanation in MKX is that we don't know if they'll get the Hsu Hao treatment or if they will come back later.
Vogel said that his power wasn't transferred into Sindel, but he never said that Shang Tsung didn't die.
Shang Tsung and Noob Saibot are currently in a "Schrodinger's Cat" state of being.
They could be considered both dead and alive at the same time.
There's no definitive answer on either.
My point is that with those things getting absolutely NO explanation in MKX, it also leaves questions to be answered.
Do I think that Shang will be back later?
Who knows?
Will Jade be back? Maybe.
The problem with these characters getting no explanation in MKX is that we don't know if they'll get the Hsu Hao treatment or if they will come back later.
No.
Vogel said that his power wasn't transferred into Sindel, but he never said that Shang Tsung didn't die.
Shang Tsung and Noob Saibot are currently in a "Schrodinger's Cat" state of being.
They could be considered both dead and alive at the same time.
There's no definitive answer on either.
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I think 'leaving questions to be answered' is a good thing for an ongoing series.
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IF they eventually get answered, it's a good thing. Just leaving it behind, never taking it up again, becomes a plothole.
Imperatrix Sindel
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Sure, but declaring something 'never answered and never going to be' because it wasn't addressed in the very next installment feels premature to me.
Commander
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When it comes to cliff-hangers, I agree with you 100%.
When it comes to characters being in an unknown status for the next game, I disagree.
Trust me, if it were up to me, there would be 10 (combined) MK1 thru MKD characters in MK11, and the rest would be MKX / new characters.
That said, with this fickle MK fanbase, look at how many people are pissed and annoyed that Noob Saibot, Cyrax, Smoke, Kabal and Jade aren't playable in MKX.
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Honestly, I think those are the last people NRS should be worried about. They (we) will buy the game anyway. I'm bummed Sindel and Jade aren't playable; they were my mains in UMK3/Trilogy and in MK9. I'm still here. Casuals, who make up the vast majority of the $$base, are not going to cry their eyes out because Noob or Cyrax misses a game.
This is generally true of core fanbases all across media. It sucks to be one of those superfans, because we're basically disposable and they know they've got us on the hook, but it's smart business.
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As I've said in an other thread, I was disappointed that Bi Han and the events of Mythologies weren't referenced as much as they could have been in pre fight banter.
But as far as his current status, I'm fine with him being kept in the dark. If they've got something planned for him, I'd rather have it be one of those twists you don't see coming, as opposed to it being teased in a random Kameo that leaves you with nothing but more anticipation to see him return.
But as far as his current status, I'm fine with him being kept in the dark. If they've got something planned for him, I'd rather have it be one of those twists you don't see coming, as opposed to it being teased in a random Kameo that leaves you with nothing but more anticipation to see him return.
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Baraka - pointless henchman
Sheeva - pointless something
Striker - all he does is getting accepted to earth forces. Than he just dies.
Kano - Never does anything but getting beat. He even sell useless weapons which are never used.
Jax - Just saves Sonya.
Sonya - Just saves Jax. Twice.
Cyrax - Did he do anything really? No plot at all. And he is POV.
Jade - Most pointless plot thread ever.
Smoke - Again, no plot what so ever for this POV.
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You're on an MK forum, so no you're not a causal.
I'm talking about people who are on general game forums like IGN and Gamespot or who don't go to game forums at all.
Those people sure as hell are mad that those characters that I mentioned aren't playable and they make up the majority of the consumer bulk, so yeah NRS will worry about them, and they're the reason why MK is stuck in the Trilogy era.
Go look at any IGN article that merely mentions MKX, and people are pissed that their "favorite" ___________ didn't make the cut.
I'm the opposite.
As someone who's also a fan of the character (Bi-Han), I'd rather have a hint or cameo that says what's up with him, rather than leaving me in the dark.
If they have something planned for him, I'd prefer to know rather than wondering if he got the Hsu Hao treatment.
It builds up frustration, not hype (at least for me).
I want that small tease to let me know that he may be back.
It's 1 of the many reasons that I love the Metal Gear franchise and why I love the Marvel movies, because there's always a small post-credits scene, hinting at what may be next to come.
All which had more than 2 or 3 lines unlike Ferra / Torr, Erron Black, Liu, Kitana and Kung Lao in MKX, and most of those also had their own chapter in MK9.
Jax, Sonya, Jade, Smoke, Cyrax and Stryker all had their own chapters explaining their different situations.
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Imperatrix Sindel
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Yes, I'm not a casual, that's my point. I'm still here because I'm a big fan and I'm going to buy it anyway. They have us on the hook.
I honestly don't think people pissed their fave didn't make the cut are actually making a dent in sales. This is the biggest MK launch ever. All the complaints about the roster seem to be hot air without any financial consequence.
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That "hot air" does get listened to, though, otherwise Tremor wouldn't be DLC.
The same goes for the people b****ing and whining that "We want Kitana, Liu and Kung Lao back in MKX," and now they're back for no apparent reason, other than pleasing the casuals so they will buy the game.
Kung Lao's concept are even says that the costume is a "what if" scenario IF he had lived through MK9 and aged.
My final point still stands that regardless of being story relevant or not, if people cry loud enough, the character will be in.
Doesn't matter if Liu, Kung Lao and Kitana make sense to be in (story-wise), just throw them in there so that the cry babies buy the game.
Then people wonder why this series isn't expanding as much as it should.
I truly believe that at 1 point during the early stages of development (E3 2014) that Ed Boon's "more characters than any MK game" was probably true, and that they probably changed that up somewhere in the process because Liu, Kitana and Kung Lao fans would have been butthurt.
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Nope. Baraka and Sheeva barely says anything. All the revanats on the other hand explain their motives better in Rayden and Jax chapters. Moreover, they actually mattered to the plot. Moreover, in their few lines of dialogue they were more fleshed out than any of the characters in the list I mentioned. Even the POV ones.
A year ago everyone would agree with me that half of MK9 story mode is useless filler and most characters are one dimensional. Now, when the story mode improved over all, suddenly people are stating that those paets were more than that? I dont buy that.
Ferra Torr and Erron Black are sadly just henchmen. But there are many like them in all of past games. This is not unique to MKX and all fighting games has some like those. They are, never the less, well designed henchmen which presents ore style and character than 50 percent of previous installment style. Combined. Also, they are much more explored in differentbways than story mode: Bio, endings and especially fighting dialogue
Commander
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Yup. Sheeva and Baraka have more speaking lines in MK9 than Liu Kang and Kitana do in MKX. Combined.
Yaniv Shmuel Avizrats
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Srsly?
Except pre fight dialogue all Baraka ever says is "this weapon is not a toy " to some soldier and suggests Mileena as empress. Sheeva... She mocks Sonya and Kitana a bit. About two or three sentences per each of them (Barka and Sheeva)
All the revenants get more lines during cutscenes and QTE of Jax and Raiden Chaptets. Liu Kang whines a bit two much to my taste.
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Yes. Seriously.
Baraka talks during the time after he was listening in on Cyrax and Raiden's conversation.
He speaks again saying that Mileena should rule when Shao Kahn is thought to have been killed by Liu Kang in the MKII part of the story.
He speaks a 3rd time again when Jade goes to see Kitana who is captured.
Sheeva also has a few speaking roles and has more story relevance being that she is the one who held both Sonya and Kitana captive.
Liu Kang doesn't have that much story involvement in MKX, but OK.
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So 4 spoken lines makes him story relevant but 3 do not? In which bible does is this rule written?
And the Sheeva bit had me LOL. She is not the one which holds Sonya or Kitana captive. She does not even capture them. She is just the mook which guards them This does not make her relevant. She can be replaced by any other henchman.
On the other hand, the revenants tormenting Raiden... this was much stronger than giving that tole to Havik or something. Its called story telling.
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I honestly don't care for Baraka, but to say that Liu Kang had a bigger role in MKX than Baraka did in Mk9 is quite laughable. :laugh:
Liu Kang, Kitana and Kung Lao could have also been replaced by Sindel, Smoke, Nightwolf, Stryker and Kabal who were also all dead revenants in MKX, so what's your point?
Those 3 (Kitana, Kung Lao and Liu Kang) are irrelevant to the MKX plot, as a whole.
So my point still stands that they're only in because people would have cried if they weren't playable.
Not really.
The revenants didn't seem to torment Raiden in MKX.
In fact, Raiden decapitated Shinnok and told Liu Kang and Kitana that there are fates worse than death.
So, it really goes to show how much Raiden was "tormented" by the revenants.
The only 2 revenants that Raiden cared for and regretted dying were Liu Kang and Kung Lao, but when those 2 insisted on being evil, Dark Raiden at the end was like saying "Alright, f*** you guys, then."
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Both were henchmen. One has awesome QTE and storyline with emotion and themes continuing from the previous installment. The other looks and behaves like thousands of nameless ones.I honestly don't care for Baraka, but to say that Liu Kang had a bigger role in MKX than Baraka did in Mk9 is quite laughable.
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