Mortal Kombat 11 General Discussion Media Thread

[p.W]

He doesn't have to be a jobber though.

If not him, then who? Every chapter in the game needs 4 characters to job. There are only so many villainous characters. Even if not every chapter is from the good guys' POV, most chapters certainly will be.

Every single bad guy jobs. The only question is how much. Weaker bad guys job more because they're at the bottom of the totem pole. And uglier bad guys job more because ugly characters are less likely to be important. (When someone is delivering a dramatic speech, it helps if they're not fugly as sin while doing it.)

And Baraka is both ugly and weaker compared to a lot of the other bad guys on the roster. The math doesn't look good.

Pre MKX comic Reiko was essentially the same "General" role as Baraka as far as villains go, but he wasn't used as a punching bag every game he was in.

Pre-MK9 games followed a very different storytelling format so I don't think comparing them to post-MK9 games is very useful.

 

[Guyver Spawn]

Spawn?? Boons response kinda seemed a bit off when asked about him. I'm calling it, hes in!!

Ed Boon was probably being sarcastic when he said: "Do they?". He did a lot of teasing for Spawn for IJ2 and nothing came out of it. He knows that people want him in a video game and knows that Spawn is not a normal typical superhero.

 

[Commander]

I think the real bad thing here is that Raiden is probably going to purge all evil of existence, and he started with the greatest evil of all (and I'm not exaggerating, Shao Kahn being purged was totally ok for Kronika).

I think that this is the main issue, as well.
Raiden has disrupted the balance of “good” and “evil” by killing the major villain characters, and perhaps this somehow threatens the existence or role of Kronika, as she seems to be an Elder god type of figure.
Perhaps she feels that if Raiden can take out Shinnok and incapacitate him like that, then he wouldn’t think twice about doing the same to her, and by going back in time she can build a resistance against him.
I mean, aside from Baraka, the only other villain / “evil” character showcased in the reveal was Geras, as we don’t know whether or not Skarlet will pull an Injustice 2 Harley Quinn move and switch side or not.
Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya are likely on Raiden’s side, defending EarthRealm, so the currently revealed roster seems unbalanced as it is between heroes and villains.
Kabal and Cassie were also good and we don’t know yet if the playable default version of Liu Kang, Kung Lao and Kitana are the younger selves or revenant versions.
Johnny Cage is a good guy character.
Kano is likely still a jobber villain, as he usually tends to be, unless he somehow retired in Outworld and opened up his own bar. :laugh:

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

I think that this is the main issue, as well.
Raiden has disrupted the balance of “good” and “evil” by killing the major villain characters, and perhaps this somehow threatens the existence or role of Kronika, as she seems to be an Elder god type of figure.
Perhaps she feels that if Raiden can take out Shinnok and incapacitate him like that, then he wouldn’t think twice about doing the same to her, and by going back in time she can build a resistance against him.
I mean, aside from Baraka, the only other villain / “evil” character showcased in the reveal was Geras, as we don’t know whether or not Skarlet will pull an Injustice 2 Harley Quinn move and switch side or not.
Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya are likely on Raiden’s side, defending EarthRealm, so the currently revealed roster seems unbalanced as it is between heroes and villains.
Kabal and Cassie were also good and we don’t know yet if the playable default version of Liu Kang, Kung Lao and Kitana are the younger selves or revenant versions.
Johnny Cage is a good guy character.
Kano is likely still a jobber villain, as he usually tends to be, unless he somehow retired in Outworld and opened up his own bar. :laugh:

The way Ed said that she was fine until MKX, seemed like even Shao Kahn, who let's agree is one of the greatest konquerors of all time, wasn't that relevant, but Shinnok, "now when you pissed all over my black kettle, you must have been high!". So I think the others she was like "ok, fine".

It's interesting the way you put here. Kronika seems to be acting out of balance, but you are right: if Raiden is purging evil from the universe, I'm not saying she is evil at all, but she is totally going to be to make balance, maybe she sees him as a threat. Also, if we do a headcount here, even Scorpion and Sub-Zero, as you said, are at the least in the side of good. Red Dragon may be eliminated, Black Dragon who knows where (lol he does have a bar), Outworld could have been dominated.

I think Kronika's true motive is to ensure MK12 :rofl:

But as I have seen some ppl commenting, despite she has been overlooking the whole universe since forever, I hope she is not the ultimate boss. The One Being should have been the ultimate boss. They lost this opportunity in Armageddon, I hope they don't do it now.

 

[JinCA]

I like that Ed said this was their biggest story yet, I was worried that with the quality of the production values that they'd have to cut back on length, clearly that's not the case.

 

[p.W]

"Sometimes you're playing as the younger version of a character, then later you're playing as the older version of the character." - Ed Boon ~4:20

Ed hinting that someone gets the Batman treatment, and is playable as both their younger self and their older self at different times in the story?

If that's true the only characters it could be, IMO, are Raiden and Liu Kang. Raiden is the obvious choice. But I kind of hope it's Liu. Have a chapter of him being an asshole early in the story, then towards the end he can save the day. He hasn't done that in a while. Better him than Kung Jin, right?

 

[Nasty_Freak]

I'm officially gonna at least try Skarlet especially after seeing her do a brutality where she suck's her opponent with her hands and make them explode. It reminds me of something! LMAO

 

[Prince Alucard]

I don't remember a character being a jobber mattering all that much until MK 2011. Which makes sense, as obviously before then the story wasn't cinematic as it is now. So the combat capabilities of each fighter can be left more so to the imagination.


But in media pretty much any bad guys serving bad guys would always job pretty hard for the most part. Even Scorpion was pretty much a mindless evil goon in the movie and cartoon. Same goes for Bi-Han. My point being that when you go for the cinematic approach you have to really streamline the story. Especially when it comes to the balance of fights. Because the standard is to build up the good guys to overcome the bad guys, who in a streamlined story are all just obstacles, usually with the exception of the villain is stirring up the plot in the first place.(Even then they can job pretty hard.)

Luckily I think this game MIGHT make the jobbers be less, well, jobbers for the most part the more the lines of good and evil get blurred. MKX was a step up from MK9 in that regard IMO, especially in the comics rather than the story mode. So I hope to see Netherrealm improve, from what I've seen of Baraka and Geras so far I think they've already improved. I'm also glad to see that Scorpion seems a lot more calm and level headed than before.

 

[Xenon]

Hey at least Baraka has a part in the story now. Now if they could do the same thing for Reptile... and now saying one sentence like he did in MKX doesn't count.

 

[JinCA]

Hey at least Baraka has a part in the story now. Now if they could do the same thing for Reptile... and now saying one sentence like he did in MKX doesn't count.

He's always been everyone else's henchman so I don't know how many lines he'll have. That was one cool thing about the old MK tv series, he actually had a purpose.

 

[JinCA]

"Sometimes you're playing as the younger version of a character, then later you're playing as the older version of the character." - Ed Boon ~4:20

Ed hinting that someone gets the Batman treatment, and is playable as both their younger self and their older self at different times in the story?

If that's true the only characters it could be, IMO, are Raiden and Liu Kang. Raiden is the obvious choice. But I kind of hope it's Liu. Have a chapter of him being an asshole early in the story, then towards the end he can save the day. He hasn't done that in a while. Better him than Kung Jin, right?

I like Kung Jin but he could have also been talking about Kung Lao, both are shown in the trailer as their younger selves and revenants.

 

[Prince Alucard]

Hey at least Baraka has a part in the story now. Now if they could do the same thing for Reptile... and now saying one sentence like he did in MKX doesn't count.

Still a step up from one whisper to the ear of Shang Tsung. But yeah, Reptile's one of those characters that has potential to set up motivations and scheming within the story. But I think one of the reasons why Reptile doesn't get much focus(other than the fact that there's already so many characters they have to focus on in a cinematic format) is that, well, he's a lizardman. Of course he's a bad guy that has to be beaten up.

I find it similar to how the non-video games portray Scorpion. Oh well he's a specter ninja from hell, so he's got to be pure evil. When really much like Scorpion, Reptile's more of a neutral character that serves a more central bad guy in hopes of getting back his people and such.

Not that you even have to make him have a face turn like Scorpion. But it's definitely something that can be built upon along with other characters who have similar motivations. These relations likely exist with the rest of the outworlders in some shape or form, but in X it was never fleshed out, despite being an intriguing B plot to the main story going on.

 

[p.W]

I like Kung Jin but he could have also been talking about Kung Lao, both are shown in the trailer as their younger selves and revenants.

Yeah it could be Kung Lao, it could also be Kitana and a bunch of other characters, but would you really expect anyone else to get a role that big and be promoted to protagonist?

 

[Jion_Wansu]

Well, according to all NRS interviews, everything was going pretty fine, even MK9, but when Raiden took Shinnok out of picture, he unbalanced good making it way bigger than evil. So I guess she'll start messing old timeline people into the present because they said she wants to reset time and start all over.

But you see, what's interesting is that everything Raiden has done was ok. The real problem, according to Ed, was cutting Shinnok's head, and when they mentioned unbalancing good, I think this makes sense.

I can't rule out the thing that like a broken record I say: Armageddon is inevitable. BUT, the whole Battle of Armageddon thing wouldn't have happened if Shinnok did not corrupt it. So, screw Shao Kahn, Shinnok was the big bad of Armageddon, and no matter what they did to him, he was always there. So I guess cutting his head off was too much.

Hope my boy Shinnok have his villain role made solid in this game, because ma boi Raiden is surely going to rock.

As for the realms, I hope NRS is more clear if the Elder Gods are inside time.

Shinnok and Shao Kahn can finally interact. Epic!!!

Sounds like Raiden's Mortal Kombat 1 ending... "unbalancing the furies"...

 

[Commander]

But as I have seen some ppl commenting, despite she has been overlooking the whole universe since forever, I hope she is not the ultimate boss. The One Being should have been the ultimate boss. They lost this opportunity in Armageddon, I hope they don't do it now.

In the “behind the scenes of MK11” video, Ed Boon already confirmed Kronika as the final boss, and in the UK stream when Shaun Himmerick was being interviewed he confirmed Geras as the sub-boss.
I’m actually glad that they didn’t go the One Being route and decided to do something different with regards to the final boss.

I like Kung Jin but he could have also been talking about Kung Lao, both are shown in the trailer as their younger selves and revenants.

That’s who I was thinking as well.
In the behind the scenes video, Kung Lao is shown in a cut-scene facing his younger self.

 

[mandead]

There's no way Shinnok will be playable in this, and he looked very NPC in that prologue trailer; he had that kind of under-finished, rough quality to him that Fujin did in MKX.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

There's no way Shinnok will be playable in this, and he looked very NPC in that prologue trailer; he had that kind of under-finished, rough quality to him that Fujin did in MKX.

You can't play as a character that doesn't have a head in the first place.

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[Commander]

You can't play as a character that doesn't have a head in the first place.

If NRS can come up with a bullshit excuse as to why you can play as previously dead characters (Liu Kang, Kitana, Kung Lao, Joker) with a lame cameo or Bio / concept art explanation as to why their default skin has aged, then yeah, they can put in a previously decapitated Shinnok.

Obviously I’m being a bit tongue-in-cheek with that, but unless NRS flat-out states it or says otherwise, with a story that involves time manipulation anything is possible.

 

[kadell]

Still a step up from one whisper to the ear of Shang Tsung. But yeah, Reptile's one of those characters that has potential to set up motivations and scheming within the story. But I think one of the reasons why Reptile doesn't get much focus(other than the fact that there's already so many characters they have to focus on in a cinematic format) is that, well, he's a lizardman. Of course he's a bad guy that has to be beaten up.

I find it similar to how the non-video games portray Scorpion. Oh well he's a specter ninja from hell, so he's got to be pure evil. When really much like Scorpion, Reptile's more of a neutral character that serves a more central bad guy in hopes of getting back his people and such.

Not that you even have to make him have a face turn like Scorpion. But it's definitely something that can be built upon along with other characters who have similar motivations. These relations likely exist with the rest of the outworlders in some shape or form, but in X it was never fleshed out, despite being an intriguing B plot to the main story going on.

I remember when someone said that Reptile would be part of a group hosting random MK Tournaments in MKX. Idk what happened with that one, lol. But they should at bare minimum give him about as much motivation as his MK4 Counterpart.

 

[Xenon]

You can't play as a character that doesn't have a head in the first place.

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Sure you can. It's called Headless Kombat.