For those complaining about this game being a re-hash

Subz 711 said:
I definitely agree with you here. Deception saved a lot of characters, and out of those you mentioned I think Noob Saibot be added. Before Deception Noob Saibot was just the black ninja shrouded in mystery. Now, he is Sub-Zero's brother, and one of Scorpion's greatest enemies. He has connections to characters like Quan Chi, Shinnok, Smoke, Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Sareena, etc... and he had NONE of that before Deception.

Deception the B-list characters like Jade, Ermac, Noob Saibot, Nightwolf, Kabal, Sindel, Smoke, Baraka, and Mileena (All trilogy characters might I add) and gave them importance in the story. If not for Deception all of these characters would have been virtually forgotten. It also took some of those B-listers and made them certified A-listers. Mileena, Ermac, and Noob Saibot all have Deception to owe for their prominence in the lore of MK.

I think a lot of it was leaving out some of the more popular characters. I really do. Deception didn't have Kano, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Kung Lao, or Jax. Every one of those characters are staples in MK, but at the end of the day these characters are also not Scorpion, Sub-Zero, or Raiden. Those 3 are staples and I have always believed Sonya was kinda like the number 4 of the "Mascot characters". However, Cassie in a way represents Sonya. So, the gang of 4 (Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Raiden, and Sonya) were kind of covered for MKX.

MKX could have been a good chance at another deception, but now that Kitana has been revealed I feel like there isn't enough of a gap for the less popular characters to breathe. She will most definitely be a focal point of the story. Idk, I'm not ruling out other characters growing to prominence in MKX, but I wouldn't count on it at this point either.

We will see some new characters rise to prominence though as I believe Kotal already has. Don't expect to see characters like Nightwolf or Kabal get that prominence again.
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You actually made some really good points, and I agree with a lot of what you said. It has made me question the need to constantly pin popular characters in each installment.

I think the level of popular characters we have so far is fine, but I can happily agree with your theory that we do not need a whole bunch. But since this game is more likely to introduce brand new characters, then I guess post mk3 would be less essential, especially when the new designs have the potential to be far more superior.
 
Subz 711 said:
I definitely agree with you here. Deception saved a lot of characters, and out of those you mentioned I think Noob Saibot be added. Before Deception Noob Saibot was just the black ninja shrouded in mystery. Now, he is Sub-Zero's brother, and one of Scorpion's greatest enemies. He has connections to characters like Quan Chi, Shinnok, Smoke, Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Sareena, etc... and he had NONE of that before Deception.

Deception the B-list characters like Jade, Ermac, Noob Saibot, Nightwolf, Kabal, Sindel, Smoke, Baraka, and Mileena (All trilogy characters might I add) and gave them importance in the story. If not for Deception all of these characters would have been virtually forgotten. It also took some of those B-listers and made them certified A-listers. Mileena, Ermac, and Noob Saibot all have Deception to owe for their prominence in the lore of MK.

I think a lot of it was leaving out some of the more popular characters. I really do. Deception didn't have Kano, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Kung Lao, or Jax. Every one of those characters are staples in MK, but at the end of the day these characters are also not Scorpion, Sub-Zero, or Raiden. Those 3 are staples and I have always believed Sonya was kinda like the number 4 of the "Mascot characters". However, Cassie in a way represents Sonya. So, the gang of 4 (Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Raiden, and Sonya) were kind of covered for MKX.

MKX could have been a good chance at another deception, but now that Kitana has been revealed I feel like there isn't enough of a gap for the less popular characters to breathe. She will most definitely be a focal point of the story. Idk, I'm not ruling out other characters growing to prominence in MKX, but I wouldn't count on it at this point either.

We will see some new characters rise to prominence though as I believe Kotal already has. Don't expect to see characters like Nightwolf or Kabal get that prominence again.
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Once again, our most cunning assassin and thief is successful

Nice analysis once again IMO!

Deception for me had one, or probally the best theme and story. They also saved a lot of the classic games by putting a middle point that connected the new generation and the past.

IMO it was a formidable story, and they played with my feeling on that game. They killed our hero and twisted him into everything we would never wanted him to be. They picked up my three top on the list and one gave a free will that was called "corruption" for a god, with an awesome outfit and attitude; the other, transformed into the big mystery of the plot, being the Champion and the chosen one; and the other, gave a legendary status, reaching the peak of his abilities and doing what no other of his race has ever done.

That game was dark. And that was a game you finished, you beat a big foe that had revived from an ancient prophecy, and still you had that feeling that nothing has been saved, something was going to happen.

On other words: Deception rocks.
 
Lord Greyjoy said:
Very few people were, if the fact that he was missing from MK4 and Deadly Alliance is anything to go by. The rosters of those games tell me Cyrax is the only MK3 character that ended up resonating with fans as much as the MK1/2 cast. Deception also made Baraka and Mileena much bigger fan favorites.

The 3D games weren't that good, but we shouldn't write off the characters. That's unfair. Most of them had passable designs and were probably dismissed because of the terrible 3D gameplay. MK has changed since. They may adapt well to the 2D plane and NRS can revamp them as well as they did Kenshi and Quan Chi.
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I didn't say they should write off all of the 3D era characters. Everyone deserves another go in some form of fashion. Hsu Hao, for example, was given his second shot in the best possible way. A small role in the comic book. That was a lot more than he would have gotten in Boon's hands.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
It's more than that pos character deserved, honestly.
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He was good enough for Kano to steal his backstory and his most iconic visual attribute.

Commander said:
Thanks.
Havik has always come off as a pretty interesting character, to me, but if he wasn't in I wouldn't be bothered too much.
I do think that Fujin should get his chance to be in MKX, though, given the possible role that he could play in the story, plus the possibility of awesome Wind move variations.
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If Fujin isn't in MKX, I may have lost hope for NRS, and MK really will be MKTrilogy + Quan Chi forever.
The dude has been screwed over out of being on the roster for years. There is ZERO reason why he shouldn't be on the roster.
Story importance? Absolutely. Gameplay Potential? Higher than freakin Goro. Ignored 3D Character? Yep.

It seems some people forget too, Frost, Li Mei, Mavado, Drahmin, Kira, Kobra was NRS's first attempt at making the 'next generation' of fighters.
 
I guess there is a silver lining in all of this. The more dead/useless old characters they announce, the more my hype for this game goes away so waiting of it has been pretty easy :D

I remember at this stage, waiting for MK9 was excruciating. Every day I was frantically searching for any and all MK9 news. As we got closer to launch, I was like a kid waiting for Xmass every day. April 2011 was one of the longest months of my life.

Here we are almost in Feb 2015 and I aint even hyped and will stay unhyped until I see some more brand new characters for post MK3 characters
 
natedoggcata said:
I guess there is a silver lining in all of this. The more dead/useless old characters they announce, the more my hype for this game goes away so waiting of it has been pretty easy :D

I remember at this stage, waiting for MK9 was excruciating. Every day I was frantically searching for any and all MK9 news. As we got closer to launch, I was like a kid waiting for Xmass every day. April 2011 was one of the longest months of my life.

Here we are almost in Feb 2015 and I aint even hyped and will stay unhyped until I see some more brand new characters for post MK3 characters
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I would say the 2 dead characters they revealed attracted plenty of hype from other fans, it is the most viewed reveal video so far.

Look at the Tekken forum, it is actually filled with many threads praising MKX. MK9 was back to basics, and ironically a brand new direction for the franchise, since they have not done the 2D fighter since the 90s. This is why everyone was so hype back then
 
Lord Greyjoy said:
The bandwagon has came to a permanent stop. No need to pretend that Hsu Hao raped your dog and killed your grandparents anymore.
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Please don't pretend that he was anything more than a pointless character. He brought absolutely nothing to the table, his design was cheap and forgetful, he had like one memorable move that could have easily gone to a different character... I mean, of all the 3D era flops, he is the floppiest. To say otherwise is obnoxious.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
Please don't pretend that he was anything more than a pointless character. He brought absolutely nothing to the table, his design was cheap and forgetful, he had like one memorable move that could have easily gone to a different character... I mean, of all the 3D era flops, he is the floppiest. To say otherwise is obnoxious.
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Jarek and Taven are much more dull and uninteresting, for instance, but they don't get nearly as much flack. Why? Because Boon doesn't have a hate boner for them. Hsu Hao could easily be redeemed; look how intimidating he looked in the comic. Give him a good storyline and a revamped moveset and he's at least as compelling as most of the MK3 cast. That applies to most of the MK4+ cast, but it's a lot harder to make generic cardboard cutouts interesting than somebody who already has an ounce of personality. I don't like Hsu Hao. He wasn't a very good character, but he's not the worst MK character by any stretch.
 
Lord Greyjoy said:
Jarek and Taven are much more dull and uninteresting, for instance, but they don't get nearly as much flack. Why? Because Boon doesn't have a hate boner for them. Hsu Hao could easily be redeemed; look how intimidating he looked in the comic. Give him a good storyline and a revamped moveset and he's at least as compelling as most of the MK3 cast. That applies to most of the MK4+ cast, but it's a lot harder to make generic cardboard cutouts interesting than somebody who already has an ounce of personality. I don't like Hsu Hao. He wasn't a very good character, but he's not the worst MK character by any stretch.
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*cough* Actually... I despise Taven. As well as his brother. And Jarek is only a step up from Hsu Hao. I only give Taven and Daegon some credit due to them actually have a role within the original timeline's story. Otherwise, they were still sh**y characters.
 
Lord Greyjoy said:
Jarek and Taven are much more dull and uninteresting, for instance, but they don't get nearly as much flack. Why? Because Boon doesn't have a hate boner for them. Hsu Hao could easily be redeemed; look how intimidating he looked in the comic. Give him a good storyline and a revamped moveset and he's at least as compelling as most of the MK3 cast. That applies to most of the MK4+ cast, but it's a lot harder to make generic cardboard cutouts interesting than somebody who already has an ounce of personality. I don't like Hsu Hao. He wasn't a very good character, but he's not the worst MK character by any stretch.
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Hsu Hao just looked ridiculous and uninspired and I am not jumping on any bandwagon here, because I have thought this since his debut. What is the point in trying to revamp an already tarnished character, it is just a waste of roster space.
 
chackalacka said:
Hsu Hao just looked ridiculous and uninspired and I am not jumping on any bandwagon here, because I have thought this since his debut. What is the point in trying to revamp an already tarnished character, it is just a waste of roster space.
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That's not my angle here. There's only a few MK4+ characters that I would like revamps for. I'm just arguing that he's not the worst MK character, as Boon and everyone and their mothers seem to think so. The hate for him is pretty much a meme, while characters that are just as bad, if not worse, go unnoticed. It just irks me a bit.
 
It wouldn't change anything, as all that happened long before MK9, and nothing Raiden did would change how things are/were with neither Taven or Daegon. However, it would most likely change what Taven will experience after he's awaken from his slumber.
 
Might be blatantly obvious, but the Hsu Hao supporters attribute 99.9% of his likeability to the fact that Boon doesn't like him.

Pretty sad IMO.
 
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