[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!
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Aldo Moreno
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Dear God! What if there's a chance why Sub-Zero said "I'm tired of maintaining or innocence" is because Shao Kahn killed Scorpion's family this time instead of Quan Chi
Dear God! What if there's a chance why Sub-Zero said "I'm tired of maintaining or innocence" is because Shao Kahn killed Scorpion's family this time instead of Quan Chi
BBBLP
Robot Rock
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The more I look at it, the less it looks like Shao Kahn.
People before were right, those are just random spikes coming from his body.
The ones on his neck in particular create the illusion of Kahn's helmet, at least in the OP's video. The spikes coming from his forehead were probably just small details, not meant to foreshadow anything.
The more I look at it, the less it looks like Shao Kahn.
People before were right, those are just random spikes coming from his body.
The ones on his neck in particular create the illusion of Kahn's helmet, at least in the OP's video. The spikes coming from his forehead were probably just small details, not meant to foreshadow anything.
Viking_Poodle
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There is still the matter of the win-pose and Sub Zero's random creation of hammers.
A thought I had in regards to him saying "I tire of maintaining our innocence" --
It's Shao Kahn speaking through Sub Zero. Obviously Kahn didn't kill Scorpion's family and clan and he more than likely knows that Sub Zero didn't either. Hence "I tire of maintaining OUR innocence"
Meh, just a thought. But I honestly really like the idea of Sub Zero being possessed by Kahn.
There is still the matter of the win-pose and Sub Zero's random creation of hammers.
A thought I had in regards to him saying "I tire of maintaining our innocence" --
It's Shao Kahn speaking through Sub Zero. Obviously Kahn didn't kill Scorpion's family and clan and he more than likely knows that Sub Zero didn't either. Hence "I tire of maintaining OUR innocence"
Meh, just a thought. But I honestly really like the idea of Sub Zero being possessed by Kahn.
Minh Giang
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Shao Kahn my ass!!
Shao Kahn my ass!!
Eclipso
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yea, except that's not the round pose everyone is talking about.
Shao Kahn my ass!!
yea, except that's not the round pose everyone is talking about.
Commander
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THIS!!!
It could be a new Sub-Zero, given that Boon said that Cassie likely won't be the only descendant, but I really don't think that NRS went with that far-fetched MK9 CSZ ending.
The ice clone of himself when he wins resembles the Shredder helmet from Deception.
You could then counter with the whole "hammer" argument, but that's really pulling at straws.
It could just be Sub-Zero's new ice weapon in MK X.
I clearly remember Raiden having a hammer in MK4 too.
Sub-Zero in the select screen gave it away with "Grandmanster," "Cyromancer" and "Unbreakable."
1 of those fighting styles is Bi-Han ("Unbreakable"), the other fighting style refers to Kuai-Liang ("Grandmaster," as in Lin Kuei grandmaster in the DA thru Armageddon era), and the 3rd fighting style ("Cyromancer") is a term that could apply to both previous versions of Sub-Zero.
Why Sub-Zero Kahn would have either of those variations is beyond me.
It makes more sense that a new Sub-Zero (son of either Kuai-Liang OR son of Bi-Han) learned those variations from BOTH his father and uncle.
*ahem*
THIS!!!
It could be a new Sub-Zero, given that Boon said that Cassie likely won't be the only descendant, but I really don't think that NRS went with that far-fetched MK9 CSZ ending.
The ice clone of himself when he wins resembles the Shredder helmet from Deception.
You could then counter with the whole "hammer" argument, but that's really pulling at straws.
It could just be Sub-Zero's new ice weapon in MK X.
I clearly remember Raiden having a hammer in MK4 too.
Sub-Zero in the select screen gave it away with "Grandmanster," "Cyromancer" and "Unbreakable."
1 of those fighting styles is Bi-Han ("Unbreakable"), the other fighting style refers to Kuai-Liang ("Grandmaster," as in Lin Kuei grandmaster in the DA thru Armageddon era), and the 3rd fighting style ("Cyromancer") is a term that could apply to both previous versions of Sub-Zero.
Why Sub-Zero Kahn would have either of those variations is beyond me.
It makes more sense that a new Sub-Zero (son of either Kuai-Liang OR son of Bi-Han) learned those variations from BOTH his father and uncle.
Commander
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Same here.
Given the variations of Sub-Zero in MK X, I'm more inclined to believe that this NEW Sub-Zero is just a descendant of either one of the brothers.
Same here.
Given the variations of Sub-Zero in MK X, I'm more inclined to believe that this NEW Sub-Zero is just a descendant of either one of the brothers.
subzero ravenwood
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I think we have a new franchise forming!!
Since we've already been informed years ago that B-H killed Scorpion's clan not QL, possibly there's a new twist that QL did in fact kill them, or that the beloved Scorpion is so blind and jaded anyone wearing the blue garb is concidered his enemy and SK was protecting SZ all these years. Conjuring a story that Quan Chi did kill the clan, being a rival for SK's thrown the plan was for Scorpion to eliminate Quan Chi. And SZ has always worked for Khan liie Reptile did. (SPOILER ALERT!!)
Im not happy the idea of fusing SZ with SK but if thats the plan then thats what we get. CSZ was a crappy idea but it kinda worked ( or we numbed ourselves into thinking he was a decent character).
I honestly think at this point the ice hammer is just a new weapon. There are similarities in the taunt and victory pose between SZ and SK which could be coincidental. Suggestive thinking, we see what we're told to see. IE- this original post.
That being said, Raiden did have a hammer, Reiko was never Khan but in his own mind, Scorpion is really Kang in desguise. and this new SZ is the love child of SZ and Frost (SPOILER ALERT!!!)
I think we have a new franchise forming!!
Dear God! What if there's a chance why Sub-Zero said "I'm tired of maintaining or innocence" is because Shao Kahn killed Scorpion's family this time instead of Quan Chi
Since we've already been informed years ago that B-H killed Scorpion's clan not QL, possibly there's a new twist that QL did in fact kill them, or that the beloved Scorpion is so blind and jaded anyone wearing the blue garb is concidered his enemy and SK was protecting SZ all these years. Conjuring a story that Quan Chi did kill the clan, being a rival for SK's thrown the plan was for Scorpion to eliminate Quan Chi. And SZ has always worked for Khan liie Reptile did. (SPOILER ALERT!!)
Im not happy the idea of fusing SZ with SK but if thats the plan then thats what we get. CSZ was a crappy idea but it kinda worked ( or we numbed ourselves into thinking he was a decent character).
I honestly think at this point the ice hammer is just a new weapon. There are similarities in the taunt and victory pose between SZ and SK which could be coincidental. Suggestive thinking, we see what we're told to see. IE- this original post.
That being said, Raiden did have a hammer, Reiko was never Khan but in his own mind, Scorpion is really Kang in desguise. and this new SZ is the love child of SZ and Frost (SPOILER ALERT!!!)
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dp spandisk parafan
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OMFG!!! This happened to me!!!
Well it´s a really interesting theory, specially when someone mentioned that Sub-zero uses weapons and one of those weapons is the war hammer!!!.. So yeah, it could be possible since Shao Kahn has always been waiting for his return at the shadows (remember when the deadly alliance killed him or Kitana´s army tried to ambush him, he was trying to recover hiding).
That's a bunch of bullshit dude there's no wa-
*watches video*
OMFG!!! This happened to me!!!
Well it´s a really interesting theory, specially when someone mentioned that Sub-zero uses weapons and one of those weapons is the war hammer!!!.. So yeah, it could be possible since Shao Kahn has always been waiting for his return at the shadows (remember when the deadly alliance killed him or Kitana´s army tried to ambush him, he was trying to recover hiding).
Commander
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That's likely what it is.
Scorpion is so blinded by rage, that anyone going by the mantle of "Sub-Zero" is automatically branded as an enemy or "murderer," to put it in Scorpion's own words.
I'm fine with it too, and I'm not mad either way or sad about the idea of it either.
(I'm just happy that he's back human.)
The ice hammer just being a weapon was what I was also getting at.
To me, that helmet looks like the Deception Shredder Sub-Zero, and it could be coincidental or just a NRS jab at SK, just the same way that the Shang Tsung fatality in MK9 was a jab at the Joker's MKvsDC fatality, but Shang Tsung himself wasn't the Joker.
NRS has a habit of throwing jabs like that.
I joke about MK X SZ being the love-child of Frost and SZ, but with Ed stating that Cassie Cage isn't the only descendant in MK X, it does send a red flag that maybe before they died in MK9, either Bi-Han or Kuai-Liang could have had a son or a student that they mentored who is now this NEW SZ.
That's likely what it is.
Scorpion is so blinded by rage, that anyone going by the mantle of "Sub-Zero" is automatically branded as an enemy or "murderer," to put it in Scorpion's own words.
I'm fine with it too, and I'm not mad either way or sad about the idea of it either.
(I'm just happy that he's back human.)
The ice hammer just being a weapon was what I was also getting at.
To me, that helmet looks like the Deception Shredder Sub-Zero, and it could be coincidental or just a NRS jab at SK, just the same way that the Shang Tsung fatality in MK9 was a jab at the Joker's MKvsDC fatality, but Shang Tsung himself wasn't the Joker.
NRS has a habit of throwing jabs like that.
I joke about MK X SZ being the love-child of Frost and SZ, but with Ed stating that Cassie Cage isn't the only descendant in MK X, it does send a red flag that maybe before they died in MK9, either Bi-Han or Kuai-Liang could have had a son or a student that they mentored who is now this NEW SZ.
Shang_Heihachi
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Glad to see this has so many people speculating, which is the whole point of the post. Also not surprised to see that instead of people just ignoring the thread, the typical childish raging which has always been the reason why I choose to distance and disassociate myself with this game's primary fanbase (an it's amazing that the most childish ranting comes from people in my age range) is coming from those that don't like the speculation.
In any case, it's only speculation and observation. If it's not true, great! I'm still interested in seeing just exactly what brought Sub-Zero back to mortality, whether he is Bi-Han or Quai-Liang. If it IS true, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone who raged out choke on that for a while after the reveal.
I mean seriously...Bradley Abbot Turner? You should probably get on blood pressure meds ASAP and chill the heck out, pal. You rage like a 2 year old.
Remember - like I said in the op...arcade endings are NOT canon, BUT events that occur specific to character identities can sometimes turn out to be true. Use the original Sub-Zero/Scorpion storyline as an example.
MK2
We learn that Sub-Zero is the younger brother of MK1 Sub-Zero. TRUE
We learn MK1 Sub-Zero was killed by Scorpion. TRUE
Scorpion is surprised to see Sub-Zero showing mercy to an opponent. TRUE
Scorpion realizes this is the younger brother and vowed to protect younger Sub-Zero. FALSE
MK3
The story between Sub/Scorp was essentially put on hold at this point since Scorpion did not factor into MK3.
UMK3
No further development in the Sub/Scorp storyline
MK4
We discover that Scorpion still blames Sub-Zero for the death of his clan and family. TRUE
Scorpion still seems to believe that this is the same Sub-Zero who murdered him. TRUE
Scorpion learns that it is Quan Chi who is responsible for the death of his family and clan. TRUE
Scorpion takes Quan Chi to the Netherrealm with him TRUE
Scorpion kills Quan Chi (Sub-Zero ending) FALSE
Scorpion releases Sub-Zero from his curse(Sub-Zero ending) FALSE
So, remember - arcade endings may contain facts about a character without actually being canon.
Hence, if this Shao Kahn/Sub-Zero theory IS true, the Cyber-Sub ending MIGHT have something to do with that. You follow me?
Glad to see this has so many people speculating, which is the whole point of the post. Also not surprised to see that instead of people just ignoring the thread, the typical childish raging which has always been the reason why I choose to distance and disassociate myself with this game's primary fanbase (an it's amazing that the most childish ranting comes from people in my age range) is coming from those that don't like the speculation.
In any case, it's only speculation and observation. If it's not true, great! I'm still interested in seeing just exactly what brought Sub-Zero back to mortality, whether he is Bi-Han or Quai-Liang. If it IS true, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone who raged out choke on that for a while after the reveal.
I mean seriously...Bradley Abbot Turner? You should probably get on blood pressure meds ASAP and chill the heck out, pal. You rage like a 2 year old.
Remember - like I said in the op...arcade endings are NOT canon, BUT events that occur specific to character identities can sometimes turn out to be true. Use the original Sub-Zero/Scorpion storyline as an example.
MK2
We learn that Sub-Zero is the younger brother of MK1 Sub-Zero. TRUE
We learn MK1 Sub-Zero was killed by Scorpion. TRUE
Scorpion is surprised to see Sub-Zero showing mercy to an opponent. TRUE
Scorpion realizes this is the younger brother and vowed to protect younger Sub-Zero. FALSE
MK3
The story between Sub/Scorp was essentially put on hold at this point since Scorpion did not factor into MK3.
UMK3
No further development in the Sub/Scorp storyline
MK4
We discover that Scorpion still blames Sub-Zero for the death of his clan and family. TRUE
Scorpion still seems to believe that this is the same Sub-Zero who murdered him. TRUE
Scorpion learns that it is Quan Chi who is responsible for the death of his family and clan. TRUE
Scorpion takes Quan Chi to the Netherrealm with him TRUE
Scorpion kills Quan Chi (Sub-Zero ending) FALSE
Scorpion releases Sub-Zero from his curse(Sub-Zero ending) FALSE
So, remember - arcade endings may contain facts about a character without actually being canon.
Hence, if this Shao Kahn/Sub-Zero theory IS true, the Cyber-Sub ending MIGHT have something to do with that. You follow me?
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Noob-Zer013
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I challenge you to a rage!
I challenge you to a rage!
Taj Gill
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[MENTION=5942]Shang_Heihachi[/MENTION]
Without going into great detail on how flawed your points are regarding the Arcade endings, you do realize with the implementation of Story Mode in the current MK games that Arcade/Ladder endings are 99% NOT canon anymore?
Yes, before we would have to wait for the next game to see who's endings are canon or not, but Story Mode negates that almost entirely.
[MENTION=5942]Shang_Heihachi[/MENTION]
Without going into great detail on how flawed your points are regarding the Arcade endings, you do realize with the implementation of Story Mode in the current MK games that Arcade/Ladder endings are 99% NOT canon anymore?
Yes, before we would have to wait for the next game to see who's endings are canon or not, but Story Mode negates that almost entirely.
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Commander
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THIS!
I can't give "Thanks" at the moment, Taj.
Ever since Story Mode in MK games (Deadly Alliance), the story predicts what will happen in the next game.
THIS!
I can't give "Thanks" at the moment, Taj.
Ever since Story Mode in MK games (Deadly Alliance), the story predicts what will happen in the next game.
Noob-Zer013
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Cyber Kahn Sub, toasted or non toasted?
Cyber Kahn Sub, toasted or non toasted?
Shang_Heihachi
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It is shocking how little people actually read posts. I am aware that arcade endings are NOT canon. I have mentioned this in every post I made so far. That does NOT mean that they do not contain factual information regarding the future of the character in future MK games. This is how it has always been in mk games. The story progresses on its own path, but individual character developments may be hinted at in their individual endings. That is the point.
I'm sorry taj, no disrespect at all, but I can't fathom why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
Think logically. Why would they even include arcade endings with such specific character developments or information if they didn't potentially have some bearing on the future of the character, or if not for simple foreshadowing to future story development for the next game in general? That is how it had always been. We know nothing about the next game other than basic info. One of us, or both of us, is right or wrong. We still find out in time.
In any case, it's clear that this topic has lost civility for most people, and again i sit here trying to figure out why I bothered trying to interact with an overly hostile mortal kombat community. So long kids, I tried.
It is shocking how little people actually read posts. I am aware that arcade endings are NOT canon. I have mentioned this in every post I made so far. That does NOT mean that they do not contain factual information regarding the future of the character in future MK games. This is how it has always been in mk games. The story progresses on its own path, but individual character developments may be hinted at in their individual endings. That is the point.
I'm sorry taj, no disrespect at all, but I can't fathom why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
Think logically. Why would they even include arcade endings with such specific character developments or information if they didn't potentially have some bearing on the future of the character, or if not for simple foreshadowing to future story development for the next game in general? That is how it had always been. We know nothing about the next game other than basic info. One of us, or both of us, is right or wrong. We still find out in time.
In any case, it's clear that this topic has lost civility for most people, and again i sit here trying to figure out why I bothered trying to interact with an overly hostile mortal kombat community. So long kids, I tried.
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