Your wishlist for MK10

[BBBLP]

Nobody really asked for Kratos or Freddy. Although you never explicitly said it, you were strongly implying that the majority of MK9 fans only bought it for guest kharacters and that was the reason MK9 succeeded.

Freddy maybe, but damn near every single character wishlist had Kratos on it. He was pretty much made for Mortal Kombat.
Quote the implication.

Seriously learn to read? If I didn't know how to read, how would I read your posts and counter every point you make? Genius. Just freakin' genius.

You don't counter my points. You just flail your arms around and make unreasonable suggestions.

 

[Commander]

And since you want to bring up Freddy, what about Kenshi? Who came before Freddy, is higher tier than Freddy and is a real MK character unlike Freddy. Why didn't Kenshi outsell Krueger?

To start off, Kenshi was included as DLC because Ed Boon has a raging boner for him, just like he does for Scorpion.
Boon has mentioned various times that Kenshi is HIS 2nd favorite character, 2nd to Scorpion.

Also, the people who bought the MK9 season pass are also included in those sales DLC sales and download figures, and lots of them were pissed that Freddy was the 4th DLC character.
I'm pretty sure that if people knew that Freddy was going to be the 4th DLC character, a majority of them wouldn't have gotten him.

 

[BBBLP]

I can turn that weak ass logic around too.



I bet if people knew Kenshi would be one of the dlc characters they never would have bought the season pass.
*jazz hands*

 

[Commander]

I can turn that weak ass logic around too.



I bet if people knew Kenshi would be one of the dlc characters they never would have bought the season pass.
*jazz hands*

You're probably right, too.
*jazz hands*

Kenshi was the least requested character according to polls, when Boon asked which characters the fans wanted in MK9 as DLC between Rain, Cyber-Smoke, Kenshi, Fujin, Tanya and Reiko.
Rain and Cyber-Smoke were THE MOST requested characters, given that most people wanted to see a completed UMK3 roster.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Do you guys ACTUALLY believe guest characters hurt sales rather than helped them?

Also people using season pass or tournament players as a reason for Freddy being high on sales stop it.


If you have 500 people 100 are tournament players and 100 are season pass buyers taking a risk for a shot at a good deal.
You don't factor these 200 because they were buying all of them anyways. So your left with whatever difference there is for the other
300. Freddy still outsold meaning when givin a choice, more people DID pick Freddy over rain. They voted with their wallets.

 

[Commander]

Do you guys ACTUALLY believe guest characters hurt sales rather than helped them?

I never said that they hurt sales, but I sure as hell didn't say that they were the reason WHY people bought MK9 or why MK9 did so well, as BBBLP was heavily implying in previous posts.

A vast majority of people bought MK9 because they wanted a NEW MK game, and DLC / guest characters are just the cherry on that already baked and iced cake.
Period.

Also, yeah, Freddy did outsell Rain, but when asked by Ed Boon on Twitter, Rain and Cyber-Smoke were the 2 most requested characters (before Freddy was even announced).

 

[BBBLP]

Quote the implications

 

[Commander]

Quote the implications

OK, here they are:

I said the MAJORITY of people, were in FAVOR of guest characters.

False.
The falacy in your argument is that a large # of people =/= to or automatically mean MAJORITY.

I.E. --
If we are polling 100 people and 20 buy Freddy, 10 buy Rain, 5 buy Skarlet and 2 buy Kenshi. That's 20 out of 37 people not 100, which doesn't = majority.

You love to twist sales figures in your favor, but highest selling DLC doesn't automatically = most people bought it, just that it sold higher than the other DLC, which also includes plenty of people who didn't buy DLC.

So few people share your opinion of guest characters.

No so.
There are tons of people outside of TRMK and gaming websites who hate the idea of Freddy and Kratos in MK9.

30 people in a room want a piece of a cake on a table. 5 people want the cake locked in a puzzle box before anybody can eat it.

Implying that the majority of people bought MK for guest characters.
Not so.

Compare the amount of people who didn't buy MK9 because of guest characters to the people who did.

Heavily implying that the people who didn't buy MK9 on Xbox didn't buy it because of lack of a guest character.
Not true.
Other factors go into this as well, such as people preferring the DualShock on PS3 for fighters.
Way more people bought MK because it was MK, and not because of guest characters.
As I stated before, guest characters were likely the cherry on an already perfect cake, but not the reason for people buying MK9.

The amount of people who didn't give a shit and just wanted the characters vastly outnumber the people who were crying about it here.

Again, not true.
Lots of people that I know offline, IRL, were also pissed about Freddy being the 4th DLC character, rather than an MK character.

Again, Just because Freddy sold well doesn't mean a MAJORITY of people got him, as you are implying.
It just means that lots of people got him.
NRS never actually said HOW MANY people got him, just that it was a lot.
That doesn't mean majority.
Learn the difference.

Hell yeah! Kill 90% of the sales!
Then the pure fans can enjoy past games since the franchise will die soon after! Major success!

The dumbest thing I've heard.
Pure fans =/= <10% of fans.
Pure fans / fanatics are likely closer to the 45% margin, while regular fans are about another 20%, and the other about 35% are casual fans.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Can we agree it was a multitude of things that made it sell well?

Good gameplay, reboot, solid promotion, guest characters.

Where are you getting your sales figures araknyd?

I personally know 2 people who bought mk9 because of a guest character.

I don't care about guest characters but I think they do help sales a pretty decent amount. Enough that it's worth any negativity.

 

[Commander]

Can we agree it was a multitude of things that made it sell well?

Good gameplay, reboot, solid promotion, guest characters.

Where are you getting your sales figures araknyd?

I personally know 2 people who bought mk9 because of a guest character.

I don't care about guest characters but I think they do help sales a pretty decent amount. Enough that it's worth any negativity.

Yes. A multitude of things made it sell well, not only DLC characters / guest characters as BBBLP is implying.

I don't have sales figures, but I know 30 people (old highscool friends and family members) on FB who are on my friends list on PS3 as a result of MK (and are not hardcore MK fans in the least), who I talk to and are friends or family in real life, that got MK because they saw the trailers for it in 2010 are were all "HOLY SHIT!!! A new MK on PS3 and 360, and MK looks even more badass than ever!!!"
Both of my cousins who stopped playing MK or being interested in after MKII, also just recently got the game (2 months ago) because they found out that MK was out on PS3 and 360.
1 of them who used to love Raiden was even like "Noob Saibot is my main go-to character now."

The ONLY person that I personally know, who bought MK for a guest character is Ames.

I don't care for guest characters either, and a 30 to 1 ratio may not represent millions, but when someone says or heavily implies that the high sales of MK9 were due to guest characters, I have to call bullshit on that, based on personal experience with people that I know who aren't huge fanatics, and were happy to see MK going back to its "glory days" (aka the MK1 thru UMK3 era).

 

[Critical-Limit]

Ya your sample size is too small IMO to scale that larger as of it were accurate.

 

[Commander]

Ya your sample size is too small IMO to scale that larger as of it were accurate.

Which is why I also said:

and a 30 to 1 ratio may not represent millions, but when someone says or heavily implies that the high sales of MK9 were due to guest characters, I have to call bullshit on that

The sample size isn't big enough to represent that, but if you don't know what MK is for the past 22 years, then you're living under a rock.
Some people buying MK9 for guest / DLC characters is one thing (and I agree), but MOST people buying MK9 for guest / DLC characters is completely false.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Which is why I also said:




The sample size isn't big enough to represent that, but if you don't know what MK is for the past 22 years, then you're living under a rock.
Some people buying MK9 for guest / DLC characters is one thing (and I agree), but MOST people buying MK9 for guest / DLC characters is completely false.

I don't remember anyone claiming most people who bought mk did it for guest characters.

I only saw "most people like them"

Which Freddie's sales would more or less prove to be true. Liking something doesn't mean you wouldn't buy it without it.


I like star crafts story mode and custom maps. But I would still buy it for the multiplayer if they were removed.


I think I can agree with most people like guest characters, but I'd also agree most people bought mk cuz mk.

 

[Commander]

I only saw "most people like them"

That statement is a fallacy in itself.
Most people would = over 2 million people liking them (considering that MK9 sold 4 million units, according to Ed Boon).

(I.E. - If 500,000 people bought the DLC / guest characters, it's a lot of people, but saying "most people" would be inaccurate, given that 500,000 is not a majority of 4 million.)

Since we don't know exactly HOW many people got the Freddy DLC or how much the DLC made, then saying "most people" is just a blanket statement.
That's my point.

 

[Critical-Limit]

You'd have to argue more than Freddy. You have kratos factor as well.


We didn't get dlc sales numbers. Only that Freddy sold the most.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Your claim that most people don't like guest characters is also a fallacy.

If people cared about mk as much as you say, rain should've outsold Freddy. And that's even factoring diminishing returns on people keeping their mk interest high.

Anyone who didn't buy Freddy also wasn't apparently going to buy any other dlc. So you can't auto assume people don't like them. Some people just don't buy DLC.

 

[Commander]

You'd have to argue more than Freddy. You have kratos factor as well.

Kratos can't be argued for because he was on the PS3 main roster (already included), and millions of people also bought MK9 on 360.
If 4 million people bought MK9, as was stated by Boon, then it's safe to say that roughly less than half of those sales were also on 360, considering that people slightly prefer PS3 over 360 for fighters, due to the d-pad.

We didn't get dlc sales numbers. Only that Freddy sold the most.

Exactly my point.
Selling the most as DLC without an accurate DLC sales number comparison to the 4 million total MK9 buyers doesn't = most people.
It just means lots of people.

Your claim that most people don't like guest characters is also a fallacy.

If people cared about mk as much as you say, rain should've outsold Freddy. And that's even factoring diminishing returns on people keeping their mk interest high.

Not true.
Freddy was a highly popular 80s horror icon, so it's not impossible.
That's like saying that more people bought Michael Jordan memorabilia, so it means that people think Larry Bird was less important.
No so.
Michael Jordan, much like KISS made himself into a better marketing icon, and marketed his name on all sorts of products.
NRS didn't market Rain as well as they did with Freddy, and Freddy is obviously more popular than Rain and most of the MK roster, save for Sub-Zero and Scorpion.

Anyone who didn't buy Freddy also wasn't apparently going to buy any other dlc. So you can't auto assume people don't like them. Some people just don't buy DLC.

Also false.
You can't auto assume that people not buying Freddy = people not buying all other DLC.
I bought Rain, Kenshi and Skarlet, but only got the Freddy compatibility pack.

 

[TimeofTheChimps]

You don't counter my points. You just flail your arms around and make unreasonable suggestions.

Like you don't? Here, I've got some tips for you:
1. Get up out of your chair.
2. Enter the nearest bathroom.
3. Flail your arms around.
4. Stare into the mirror REALLY hard.
5. Who do you see?

 

[TimeofTheChimps]

A few people? What is a few to you?

God of War fans.

And who gives a shit if they aren't MK fans you close minded fanboy? Ames wasn't exactly your definition of a fan when he bought MK9, but he became one. Shouldn't that be the only thing that matters?

Ames isn't a Mortal Kombat fan, he's a GOW fan. I bet you when Kratos isn't in MK10, those "fans" will no longer play MK. Fanboy? Yes. I am an MK nerd. Close minded? Hell no. If we want to see close minded, all we have to do is look right at you.

And since you want to bring up Freddy, what about Kenshi? Who came before Freddy, is higher tier than Freddy and is a real MK character unlike Freddy. Why didn't Kenshi outsell Krueger?

Because he's a horror icon, like Araknyd said. Just how long have you been living under a rock?

 

[Aldo Moreno]

3 years after guest characters are revealed and people still going at it lol.