What they are pretty much doing to Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) (spoilers in a way)

[ishler82]

I'm sorry but if anyone of you guys are seriously hardcore fans of the storyline or even into the game in general....Yall need to have more trust in the people that have given us so much to enjoy....I'm old school....did mk1...2...or 3 dissapoint you? THEN SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! The story needs to develop before people "freak out" haha!!!
I mean honestly.....what did everyone think when sub showed up without a mask and a big red scar in mk3? HOLY SHIT right!!!!?
I was like...what???????? but ended up liking it...and was like...hell yeah...a new version of a character that is O.G. as well as the storyline!
I think everyone needs to chill and just wait...cuz I bet anyone of yall that both subs are gonna kick ass...and maybe even tie into eachother somehow in a way that nobody thought of! So FREEZE!!!!! Wait and see!!! I know I can't wait to find out what happens next!
And the funny thing is.....I'm a Reptile fan! hahaha! Both Sub Zeros will be the shit...storyline and all!

 

[subzerosmokerai]

Does anybody read my posts?

You seem a bit new so i'll fill you in; meaningful posts, no matter how short they are, are skipped over when people are reading threads. A funfact about the members of TRMK. Although you've been here a month it has been a couple of months til I realized this. TRMK is loving though, just not... you know, understanding.

 

[KiShiDo]

Yeah if people want a 1 to 1 copy of the old story... than play the old game. This is a new story... If you like it or not. Everyone knew that things would change and this one was obivious... So dunno why people are shocked.

And now talking about the future is BS. We don't know it. You can't compare the old storyline of Sub to this one if we know whit what this new story will bring.

 

[ninja]

For example, thats like jk rowling writing another harry potter book thats a page long saying that future harry sends young harry a message and he just never goes to hogwarts and just makes a sandwich and watches tv instead.

I really wish that happens. Harry Pothead and the Magical Herb sounds way more important than anything harry potter related

but hey, back on topic.. yes I agree with you about Subzero, he's iconic.. which is why I don't think they'll stick with this.. this is a classic character, we're not talking about nightwolf, stryker or mokap, this is SUBZERO. I'd say that 99% we won't be seeing a cyborg Subzero in the upcoming games as the main one and having to unlock classic Subzero via some code or achievement or whatever. in fact in some leaks they said he doesn't even have a story? not too sure if I recall correctly on that one though. I think it's more of a fun character and also had to do with Smoke's rebirth in this game.. the problem is that in the next game, if they don't stick with cyborg Subzero, we'll probably be seeing a robot Smoke and a human Smoke that's not available or if we're lucky enough available and unlocked and with his new moveset they gave him this time around. it's easier for them to throw the bomb back to Smoke rather than stick with this story for Subzero, not to mention the fans they'd piss off if they killed him permanently and kept the CSZ version instead

 

[SUBZ808]

I really hope Cyber-Sub is non cannon, it really could go either way, but Sub Zero is an icon, and my favorite chracter since MK 1, I really don't want my favorite character turned into a soda can, its just unecessary. I was also wondering if this may be yet another member of the Lin Kuei thats been given the cyber treatment to hunt Kuai Liang, I guess we'll just have to wait 2 more weeks to see whats what, if they keep him a robot, I'll just stay away from the next game, at least worst case scenario I can enjoy using human Sub Zero in this game.

 

[Bruzzrad]

You seem a bit new so i'll fill you in; meaningful posts, no matter how short they are, are skipped over when people are reading threads. A funfact about the members of TRMK. Although you've been here a month it has been a couple of months til I realized this. TRMK is loving though, just not... you know, understanding.

Thanks bro. I just feel kind of confused when five people post the same thing. He still looks awesome though.

 

[KiShiDo]

Even if he may be human in the future games once again... For this game and for this story he is canon

Summasy once again
Story mode

Chapter: Sub Zero
Sub Zero goes after Scorpion fights him and it is able to win. But Cyray and Sektor steps in and capture him

Chapter Kabal:
Kabal want to use a portal but tadda... LK-52O aka Cyber Sub Zero is blocking him and both start to fight. Kabal wins and takes him with him

During this the Special forces and some others are able to reprogram him and bring his mind back... And tadda it is Kuai-Lang

Chapter: Cyber Sub Zero
After regaining his mind he is going and fighting some foes... And at the end he meets Noob Saibot... And both brothers are calling themselves by name. Cyber Zero wins and says that they aren't brothers anymore... he is going further to help the earthrealm warriors

Chapter ends.

Why he MAYBE won't have a bio or ending in the arcade ending is simple... He is the same character... MAYBE he will be in cyborg form in the ending no matter with which version you will play

Point is... Cyber Sub Zero is canon and to make him non canon they have to make 3 Chapters + Smoke cut scenes non canon.

Only thing they can do is some silly explanation in his bio of the next game, that with the help of the SF after the war he was able to get rid of the cybernetic body. If not he will regain it somehow in the future

BUT once again... HE IS CANON. If no that 3 chapters of the whole story mode are non canon.

And I seriously don't understand the suprise of some people... ALL OF US KNEW THE STORY WILL CHANGE... and this was the most likely scenario from the very beginning, which was even hinted by Boon

 

[Reptikahn]

I agree KiShiDo, I think people need to get over the fact he is "transformed.

MK2: When people found out that MK1's Sub-Zero was a different one, I remember sites that existed back then (very few) used to complain about him being a different one from the elder Sub-Zero. (note not directly existed back in 1995, butaround 1996 when people discussed it UGH)

MK3: Don't even get me started on how people complained about his face was revealed. Most Sub-Zero fans don't remember but they used to get all nasty "OH NOES Sub-Zero is ruined. He's iconic and now he's not! WHY??!"

But in all seriousness, I hope CSZ is canon. MK needs to restart if people complained about every change, death, and or fabrication in the story, why would MK's story even exist? "Oh no, Liu Kang died in MKDA, oh no Sheeva died in MK3, oh no Smoke was transformed between MK2-3,etc.)

I think people who are so dedicated should calm down and give it a chance, more than likely you'll end up enjoying him. Seriously, the fanbase right now sounds like the Pokemon fanbase.

Gen V: "The new Pokemon suck! Nobody will ever like them, thanks GF you ******* up Pokemon!"

A month later:

"BFF Love the new generation"

Similar to that with this fanbase.

 

[REAL SNAKE]

100% Agree. I don't like the idea of ​​Cyber ​​Sub Zero, for me it's ridiculous. Sub
Zero has the best story and more fans in universe of MK. Spoil it would be
stupid, seems more Fanboyism of Boon.

Sub Zero = Human. Cyber Sub Zero = Fail. I don't think boon have courage to
maintain this.

 

[Reptikahn]

Yep, Boon is such an anti-Sub-Zero fanboy. I mean never mind Sub-Zero in this storyline beats Scorpion in MK2. Which possibly hints at Sub-Zero beating Scorpion MK4 timeline in this altered timeline, but no, because they altered him Sub-Zero no longer has a good story and Boon is just a Sub hater../sarcasm.

If Sub-Zero was such a great character, so iconic, and had such a great story, transitioning him into a cyborg would not change his fans views of the character. Pretty much (unless someone can explain this to me) it seems to be only aestetic looks that matter to the fanbase. --> Most of the events from the original timeline can easily be copied by CSZ or changed by him (Scorpion losing to Sub in MK2 in this timeline)

 

[REAL SNAKE]

Yes. It's Fanboyism of Boon => The Uppercut of Scorpion in Sub in initial Screen, the Dolls with Sub Zero impaled, the trailers where Sub aways have his ass kicked, now Sub Zero Cyborg... If this is not fanboyism, I do not know what it is. The fact is: Boon does not accept the most popularity of Sub on Scorpion and want to finish this. Sorry, but in my opinion, Boon need to be more impartial. Must comply all fans and not just Scorpion fans. You accept all imposition of Boon, just because it is a new Mortal Kombat and you're excited with this new game, but i not accept this.

Cyber Sub zero = Waste of best caracter of all MK. It's my opinion and i belive is the largest part of fans of Sub Zero.

 

[Reptikahn]

Yes. It's Fanboyism of Boon => The Uppercut of Scorpion in Sub in initial Screen, the Dolls with Sub Zero impaled, the trailers where Sub aways have his ass kicked, now Sub Zero Cyborg... If this is not fanboyism, I do not know what it is. The fact is: Boon does not accept the most popularity of Sub on Scorpion and want to finish this. Sorry, but in my opinion, Boon need to be more impartial. Must comply all fans and not just Scorpion fans. You accept all imposition of Boon, just because it is a new Mortal Kombat and you're excited with this new game, but i not accept this.

Cyber Sub zero = Waste of best caracter of all MK. It's my opinion and i belive is the largest part of fans of Sub Zero.

Fanboyism= dedication to a character to the point of blindness of the truth.
Anti-fanboyism=Hatred of a character to the point of removing them for no reason.

Sub-Zero is neither hated or treated with pure respect. For once I think Sub-Zero fans should stop ignoring facts:

Sub-Zero not only has had the biggest changes in the storyline of any character (being non-cliche), but also having the better sig. move and more.

You know, I love how other fans of Sub-Zero never brought up this argument when Reptile was being destroyed in previous MKs. (MK4= His ending is Reptile getting killed by Shinnok, come on now) but no, once they touch Sub-Zero, all logic sways to the point "Boon is a hater."

You know, many fans like yourself still never admit you hated MK3 when it first came out due to Sub-Zero being unmasked, by that logic, Boon hated Sub-Zero there too by unmasking him right?

Second, the uppercut could be at either Sub-Zero. You do know that the model of Sub-Zero in this game is of Elder and Younger Sub-Zero. The same one in which Scorpion killed, right? and the rivalry in the original timeline had Scorpion constantly beating Sub. Don't try to blame Boon on that, this was the original planned storyline. This game storyline, Scorpion not only Read this now: I know you can: Beat's Scorpion but also gains enhanced powers and regains his soul.

So what exactly is your complaint? Because in the media he loses to Scorpion? You do know Ryu always beats Ken right in the media.

"But he kills/beats on him"

This is Mortal Kombat, the game series known for brutality what is your point?

Seriously, people act like Boon hates Sub-Zero so much, but by changing him as a character still means he could be very important. Would you still have that tune if Cyber Sub-Zero beats Kahn this time in MKA timeline? I would hope you wouldn't be that blind. I don't know though, especially because most Sub-Zero fans are blind to their own reactions. (Cough *Unmasking MK3* cough)

All in all, I think Sub-Zero fanboys are ignoring the fact because for once Sub-Zero was put in a terrible light. Liu has had it, Sheeva has had it, Reptile has had it, Scorpion has had it (DA Quan Chi beating him down), Raiden, Kitana, JC, Sonya, Kano, and more. Why doesn't Sub-Zero deserve a beat down in the media and storyline for once but everyone else does? Fanaticism knows no bounds.

2c.

Edit: I correct myself, Sub-Zero doesn't get beat down in this storyline.

Not only does Scorpion lose to the younger Sub-Zero in this time line, but also, he beats Noob Saibot. Losing to Kabal. 2-1. Which is far better than the original timeline in which Sub only beat Frost, and Sektor, and thanks to Sareena preventing Noob/Smoke from killing him.

He has already gained more wins than the original timeline. Scorpion however loses more times in the story:

In the original: He loses 2X to Elder Sub, 2X to Quan Chi (Drah/Moloc) , and is defeated in MKA.
Sub-Zero is only beaten twice by Scorpion. Let's not add in the changes to this timeline.

So now Scorpion loses 1-3 to Sub-Zero in this timeline. If MK4 plays out the same way that means Scorpion is 1-4'd to Sub. Boon, how could you be such a fanboy, Sub-Zero deserves to win everytime./sarcasm.

 

[REAL SNAKE]

You talk of Reptile changes, but Reptile never had the weight of Sub in History of MK, much less a base of fans as Sub Zero. You can’t compare. Boon was most impartial Before when work with Tobias. Now is ridiculous for everything that I mentioned before.

About the Sub Zero unmasked, Not bad I thought the change at the time, the only change was in the laundry, not in the Status quo of Him. Is completely different.

About Scorpion or Sub win in ancient history, this is irrelevant, the story of Sub always remained. I don’t think this is a justification positive to the new history.

I hope Boon rethink about what is causing with Sub, the majority will not like.

 

[Reptikahn]

You talk of Reptile changes, but Reptile never had the weight of Sub in History of MK, much less a base of fans as Sub Zero. You can’t compare. Boon was most impartial Before when work with Tobias. Now is ridiculous for everything that I mentioned before.

About the Sub Zero unmasked, Not bad I thought the change at the time, the only change was in the laundry, not in the Status quo of Him. Is completely different.

About Scorpion or Sub win in ancient history, this is irrelevant, the story of Sub always remained. I don’t think this is a justification positive to the new history.

I hope Boon rethink about what is causing with Sub, the majority will not like.

Sub-Zero was never important in any MK game. Scorpion didn't even have any importance in any MK game until MKD. [Thanks to becoming the Elder God Champion, but Shujinko beat Onaga before him thus killing his importance, and he lost in MKA] Sub-Zero's only important plot point was losing to Scorpion thus causing the DA [which wasn't directly him, it was Scorpion attacking him making this plot point Scorpion's not Sub-Zero's] and second taking the Lin Kuei back from Sektor. That's it. Taking the Lin Kuei back wasn't important because he still died in MKA.

Sub-Zero only has one factor going for him, popularity. That's it. He didn't decide the outcome of any tournament, nope. Not even Elder Sub-Zero. He's pretty much just a more popular Reptile. On that note: Reptile is very popular. Has been since forever, just because people hated his changes to his character does not mean his popularity was dropped but moreso that the change of his design was disliked.

On the unmasking, it is irrelevant how you act towards it but moreso the entirety of Sub-Zero fans who are acting now as they were on the subject of Cyber Sub-Zero, except a majority of Sub-Zero fans are tolerant of Cyber Sub's. Only a very minor vocal group are actually complaining about the change, especially when they acknowledge Sub-Zero can now do the same things as before + additonal things.

On the history: Wait, how is it irrelevant? Tobias left after MK3/around MK3. That means Boon was in charge, he even made designs for Sub to make him stand out over the repetitive and cliche Scorpion. Like remember the Shredder costume? Many fans love that design, his DA unmasked costume? Again I bring up raise in popularity. This CSZ is also very popular, because every site I've been to with a survey has said "Although they aren't sure of it, they generally like the design."

So in other words this design: Has increased his popularity. This time: Scorpion is made out to be a loser in the storyline. This time: Scorpion has nothing better, this time Scorpion lost everything [Sig. move, storyline victories, family/clan/ revenge, etc.]. So aside from media what does Scorpion have? Nothing. That's relevant.

Aside from that Sub-Zero and Scorpion are used in the media because it is called smart marketing. Everyone outside of MK knows Scorpion or his famous "Come Here/Get over here" it's practically a meme. Some people know Sub-Zero outside of MK but not many, and everything else is probably not known. Thus to appeal to the casual "don't know MK" crowd they threw a market of Scorpion who is commonly known with his rival. Similar to marketing of Sol Badguy and Ky Kiske in GG. (Especially on the beatdowns department)


The obvious truth is Boon does not have some hidden agenda against Sub-Zero, if anything, Sub-Zero is becoming more important this time, more important than Scorpion and more popular. /truth.


Also, stop talking on behalf of the majority of the Sub-Fans. Maybe on this site all Sub-Zero fans [lol impossible I'm a Sub-fan] hate CSZ, but the majority have come to terms with two major things: 1. It doesn't hurt Sub-Zero's character in anyway. [Argue this all you want, him regaining his soul= Being the same person with a coat of paint on] 2. His popularity is increased because of it. 3. His importance to the story potentially increases. [Instead of it being Scorpion's plot point during MK4=leading to the DA, Sub-Zero's victory instead could lead to that.]

Either way, Boon is actually glorifying Sub-Zero. Yet, anyone who dislikes or hates CSZ wants to bag him because Sub-Zero lost in the media, and because They don't like CSZ.

No, just no.

 

[REAL SNAKE]

All characters have their share of importance in MK.
Winning the tournament or not, does not make a character less important in the
history. Sub Zero has his personal history and never bothered to win the
tournament, your mission away was another.

The Idea of Cyber Sub Zero kills everything that has been built to date.

Cyber Sub Zero seems only an intention to controversial and Boon want to do it fair
with the rival of Scorpion, this sounds very strange. I give the impression he wants to make scorpion the largest in mk.

sub does not need to be transformed in Cyborg to increase you popularity.

I don’t like that idea, I hope everything is back to normal in the end of history.

 

[Reptikahn]

All characters have their share of importance in MK.
Winning the tournament or not, does not make a character less important in the
history. Sub Zero has his personal history and never bothered to win the
tournament, your mission away was another.

The Idea of Cyber Sub Zero kills everything that has been built to date.

Cyber Sub Zero seems only an intention to controversial and Boon want to do it fair
with the rival of Scorpion, this sounds very strange. I give the impression he wants to make scorpion the largest in mk.

sub does not need to be transformed in Cyborg to increase you popularity.

I don’t like that idea, I hope everything is back to normal in the end of history.

No, that's not true. Importance=Importance to the overall storyline. What would happen if Shao Kahn killed every human in his storyline from MK3? Sub-Zero would not exist thus Sub's isn't important.

Who stopped Shao Kahn? Liu. Liu is very important, more so than any other character bar Raiden, Shinnok, Shao Kahn, Onaga, Quan Chi, and on a slight note Shang Tsung.

Now, you're just arguing semantics here and not making any sense.

First you argue "CSZ" is a ploy by Boon to lower his popularity. Which it can be shown from other sites and people who once never had interest in Sub-Zero to becoming as such. Thus means it has expanded his popularity which is a positive thing to do. How does that hurt Sub-Zero? It doesn't.

Then you argue that Scorpion will be bigger because Sub-Zero will be more popular. lolwut? Now, I'm sure you're in a blind rage but at least think this out for a second.

If Scorpion is made out to be a loser in the story, revenge wise, [which was his story], sig. move, and more. People will see Sub-Zero>Scorpion. That means Scorpion will be degraded and lowered in popularity.

Contrary to popular belief marketing is not ever cared about. In the SSB commercial DK smacks a few characters in the face and beats them down, but did that improve his popularity? lol. No.

The same here, will Sub-Zero losing in the marketing decrease his popularity? lol. No.



Second, how does it kill everything that has been done before? Are you talking on behalf of cyborgs, because it could be argued that Scorpion being the first Ninja, that Sub-Zero's existence is uncalled for because it's been done before. ---> Or Smoke, or Noob, or Ermac, or Rain, or Reptile.

If you're talking about the alt. timeline. Everything that was a major event in that timeline can be repeated. Beating Sektor for the Lin Kuei, check, training Frost/taking a subordinate? Check. Him being human or cyborg didn't make a difference. Really. Unless you were expecting some sort of romance sub-plot with Sub and Frost, which was never going to happen. The major point is it shouldn't happen the same. Nobody wants a god awful soap opera from MK's storyline. We don't need a repeat of events because that's the point, changes.

So for instance the Liu Kang conflict at the end of this game's story, I think it's a good outcome, because it was such a cliche of seeing Liu Kang beat everyone. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Mk's story was crap due to it, just like the "filler" plots like Sub-Zero, Scorpion and more. They had no direct influence on the storyline. That's why they were less important overall.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Even if he may be human in the future games once again... For this game and for this story he is canon

Summasy once again
Story mode

Chapter: Sub Zero
Sub Zero goes after Scorpion fights him and it is able to win. But Cyray and Sektor steps in and capture him

Chapter Kabal:
Kabal want to use a portal but tadda... LK-52O aka Cyber Sub Zero is blocking him and both start to fight. Kabal wins and takes him with him

During this the Special forces and some others are able to reprogram him and bring his mind back... And tadda it is Kuai-Lang

Chapter: Cyber Sub Zero
After regaining his mind he is going and fighting some foes... And at the end he meets Noob Saibot... And both brothers are calling themselves by name. Cyber Zero wins and says that they aren't brothers anymore... he is going further to help the earthrealm warriors

Chapter ends.

Why he MAYBE won't have a bio or ending in the arcade ending is simple... He is the same character... MAYBE he will be in cyborg form in the ending no matter with which version you will play

Point is... Cyber Sub Zero is canon and to make him non canon they have to make 3 Chapters + Smoke cut scenes non canon.

Only thing they can do is some silly explanation in his bio of the next game, that with the help of the SF after the war he was able to get rid of the cybernetic body. If not he will regain it somehow in the future

BUT once again... HE IS CANON. If no that 3 chapters of the whole story mode are non canon.

And I seriously don't understand the suprise of some people... ALL OF US KNEW THE STORY WILL CHANGE... and this was the most likely scenario from the very beginning, which was even hinted by Boon

Did not know all of this stuff. And what I am going to say about all of this: this is AWESOME. I love it, love it, love it, love it!!!

I hope Cyber Subby stays canon; the cyborg version looks so much better, IMO, than his human version. I bet his gameplay and finishers will be the same way.

 

[Nathan Smith]

May I interject with my two cents?

We have no idea what happens next. I for one HATE the idea of CBZ, but am willing to see where it goes and take it for what it is. Where will the story go?

Sub-Zero has yet to acquire the Dragon Medallion or the Cryomancer armor, which could "mystically" return him to normal.

More bad-ass option: The forces of Earthrealm de-cybrog him for MK 10, but the process leaves him with A SCAR AND NO ARMS, SO HE CREATES ARMS OUT OF ICE, because, if you look, HE HAS NEITHER SCARS NOR ICE ARMS AS OF NOW IN MORTAL KOMBAT 9. This is a re-telling, a changing, sure, but I think this will be akin to Ultimate Spider-Man/X-Men or the last Star Trek movie- Similar end results, different roads there. I think this option would be crazy cool, but just speculation/wishful thinking here.

Hell, maybe Noob in some weird form of half-hearted redemption or ounce of honor finds a way to turn in back to normal in MK 10, or maybe it's Scorpion in a shocker or Sareena in a surprise role or, hell, EVEN RAIDEN. There's no reason, to me, not to wonder and be excited if things will go back to how they were.

Either way, I am more than content to give Ed Boon and Co. a chance.

And side note, though I don't want to get embroiled in a massive flame war here, but;

I would argue that Sub-Zer, Liu Kang, Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, Raiden and Scorpion are the big players of MK. Anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to their opinion, but their amount of time in media, storylines, merchandising, marketing, etc makes them pretty much the main characters. And though neither of them are the "protagonists" of the story (MK 1-3 Liu Kang, MK4 about Raiden/Shinnok, DA is more about Quan Chi and ST than anyone else, Shaolin Monks is LK and KL, and Deception is Shujinko and MKA is Taven), BOTH Scorpion and Sub-Zero are the faces of the series. Both characters have had cameos in other games, toys, everything- Heck, both are even in the Spec Ed statue, and Sub-Zero already has more figures than anyone in the upcoming Jazzwares toys. I think Ed Boon might have a bit of fanboyism towards Scorpion, but I don't think he has any hate for SZ. I'd argue that he even shows SZ beating Scorpion almost regularly, other than MK4. Shaolin Monks has SZ soudly trouncing Scorp towards the end of the opening cinematic, and countless fights in multimedia end with Sub Zero the victor, however small a margin.

But again, Scorpion is iconic with the series, and has major roles, just as Sub-Zero. As he should.

My point here is that every character (okay, main characters. Sorry Red and Black Dragons, Order and Chaos realms, etc) gets to shine in Mortal Kombat, and arguing either way, to me, is just finding facts that support your perspective.

 

[Fox17]

I really hope Cyber-Sub is non cannon, it really could go either way, but Sub Zero is an icon, and my favorite chracter since MK 1, I really don't want my favorite character turned into a soda can, its just unecessary. I was also wondering if this may be yet another member of the Lin Kuei thats been given the cyber treatment to hunt Kuai Liang, I guess we'll just have to wait 2 more weeks to see whats what, if they keep him a robot, I'll just stay away from the next game, at least worst case scenario I can enjoy using human Sub Zero in this game.

It is canon, we are not discutting that, it is confirmed that he is.

 

[Reptikahn]

May I interject with my two cents?

We have no idea what happens next. I for one HATE the idea of CBZ, but am willing to see where it goes and take it for what it is. Where will the story go?

Sub-Zero has yet to acquire the Dragon Medallion or the Cryomancer armor, which could "mystically" return him to normal.

More bad-ass option: The forces of Earthrealm de-cybrog him for MK 10, but the process leaves him with A SCAR AND NO ARMS, SO HE CREATES ARMS OUT OF ICE, because, if you look, HE HAS NEITHER SCARS NOR ICE ARMS AS OF NOW IN MORTAL KOMBAT 9. This is a re-telling, a changing, sure, but I think this will be akin to Ultimate Spider-Man/X-Men or the last Star Trek movie- Similar end results, different roads there. I think this option would be crazy cool, but just speculation/wishful thinking here.

Hell, maybe Noob in some weird form of half-hearted redemption or ounce of honor finds a way to turn in back to normal in MK 10, or maybe it's Scorpion in a shocker or Sareena in a surprise role or, hell, EVEN RAIDEN. There's no reason, to me, not to wonder and be excited if things will go back to how they were.

Either way, I am more than content to give Ed Boon and Co. a chance.

And side note, though I don't want to get embroiled in a massive flame war here, but;


But again, Scorpion is iconic with the series, and has major roles, just as Sub-Zero. As he should.

.

I don't disagree with what you say, that Scorpion and Sub are known for being the faces, but I don't think that makes them important to the storyline in the central figure which is normally what people mean when they say someone is importnat. It could be argued that since the Elder ("Original") Sub-Zero died, that Noob Saibot and Scorpion are the icons not (Y) Sub-Zero. However, I'd rather not start an argument on that.

More or less, all I'm saying is Boon isn't a hater, especially with the ways Boon/co/team keep boosting his popularity. Shredder costume again.