The 2004 Election

Who will you be voting for on November 2nd

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KillKano! said:
There are just a few flaws in your post. Humans are about the most non-unique species in the world. That is how we thrive. We are able to adapt because we weren't designed by evolution to be in one specific climate/region what have you.

And many species throughout the wild kingdom are their own enemies. Wolf packs fight against each other, and will kill members from ostracized from the pack. Many pack type animals act the same way. Male gerbils, hamsters and other rodents will eat their own young to ensure they are the dominant force within their small world. Species of fish are also known for this.

Even though I am pointing out the flaws in your argument, I do agree that each human should be a given a chance at life. If the parent doesn't feel they will be able to raise the child, then they (mother) should have kept their legs closed, (father) should have never ventured betwixt those legs.

What it mainly boils down to is how responsible we are as a species, and when you look at that as a whole, it's very disappointing. Otherwise, most of the ails that we suffer in this world would be non-existent excluding death and illness.
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The human specie unique in that we have a choice in what we do. Our actions are not controled by anyone or anything except our own mind. That is what makes us different from an animal.

And responsibility as a species? Do not get me started on this. Convoluted, ignorant, hippocritical, greedy, arrogant fools that do nothing for the betterment of humanity as a whole except when they die and rid us of their presence. Yet while they breathe no one stands up against them because of the "discomfort" they would encounter when standing up for what they believe is right. Responsibility lies within the individual and taking action, not as the specie as a whole.
 
God of thunder said:
The theory of evolution is thrown out the window with abortion. The weak perish and the strong survive. Even in the wild, all creatures are born and given even standing to live. There life is not stolen from them before they have drawn an earthly breath, unless the mother is killed or injured by an outside force. In fact, human beings are the only specie on the planet that is its own enemy.
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What if abortion is a form of evolution? Maybe by abortion we are eliminating part of our collective unconscious that continually makes poor decisions. It is the survival of the fittest, because the part of the gene pool that thrives is the part that makes more responsible decisions regarding childbirth. The ones who make poor decisions as far as birth control, aborting the fetus, and not being able to support a child are eliminated.
 
jgreenwo said:
God of thunder said:
The theory of evolution is thrown out the window with abortion. The weak perish and the strong survive. Even in the wild, all creatures are born and given even standing to live. There life is not stolen from them before they have drawn an earthly breath, unless the mother is killed or injured by an outside force. In fact, human beings are the only specie on the planet that is its own enemy.
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What if abortion is a form of evolution? Maybe by abortion we are eliminating part of our collective unconscious that continually makes poor decisions. It is the survival of the fittest, because the part of the gene pool that thrives is the part that makes more responsible decisions regarding childbirth. The ones who make poor decisions as far as birth control, aborting the fetus, and not being able to support a child are eliminated.
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Macro-evolution is a theory and does not and has not been proven to happen. There are six different types of "evolution" and the one you're talking about is microevolution( The only form of "evolution" ever proven.). Micro-evolution is a natural part of nature. Abortion is not part of nature, it is un-natural. Therefore it can not be part of micro-evolution.
 
The human specie unique in that we have a choice in what we do. Our actions are not controled by anyone or anything except our own mind. That is what makes us different from an animal.

And responsibility as a species? Do not get me started on this. Convoluted, ignorant, hippocritical, greedy, arrogant fools that do nothing for the betterment of humanity as a whole except when they die and rid us of their presence. Yet while they breathe no one stands up against them because of the "discomfort" they would encounter when standing up for what they believe is right. Responsibility lies within the individual and taking action, not as the specie as a whole.
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Human's are nothing more than more intelligent animals. We are still driven by the same instincts as the rest of the Animal Kingdom. Sex, Food, Sleep, Power, Will to survive and sometimes the wish to no longer live. Our instincts have just become tainted throughout evolution as we have learned to master our surroundings. Animals have the same ability to choose, and show plenty of signs of intelligence in the choices they make. You won't see a lone wolf hunt a buffalo usually, it would be suicide and he'd most likely get trampled. Put a pack of wolves on a buffalo and the tides turn. Sacrifice a little meat so that you gain enough to survive, sounds like solid reasoning from a mere beast. Basically what I'm getting at is, Unique in our ability to choose for better or worse we are not. We are merely pawns of a greater driving force within all of us.

Sex-self explanatory

Food-we all hunger after not eating, work is just a way to put food on the table and a necessary evil

Sleep-self explanatory as well, you don't get enough, and your body will quit on you till you have rested enough.

Power-just like animals vie for the highest spot in the pride/pack/school etc. humans try to gain power in society, be it through money, force or what not. Most animals, humans included, realize at some point in their existance that they will never be the top dog, and settle into an obediant and subserviant role.

Will to survive-most people don't want to die, and when cornered with one option or the other, will fight, even knowing they will lose just like an animal.

And the choice not to live-it's an escape for the weak not to mention a very selfish act. But hooray for the ones that do, thats true Darwinism shining through :D

I agree with the second part of your post entirely. It's just to the point now where a few bad apples have spoiled the bunch :cry:

Whats silly is we are arguing for the same thing (pro life) whilst we try to disprove each others reasons for believing that abortion is wrong. Unless of course I didn't go to the beginning of this particular thread within a thread...
 
KillKano, note that only Dolphins, besides humans, take any pleasure whatsoever from sexual intercourse. Animals do not use sex as a "goal" in life, with that stated.
 
Im voting for Bush.....and about the abortion thing. i think its just wrong. Sure people say the baby is part of the woman but still, it is its own life and it doesnt give her the right to kill it. If you dont want a baby dont have sex, its as easy as that. And if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant then that is sad, but they shouldnt kill a baby for what 2 other people had done. The baby had nothing to do with her being raped, so why should it die? No matter if the lady keeps it, give it for adoption, or has an abortion, she will always have it in her mind, so why kill it? Besides 100% of everyone for abortion are still alive. Thats like asking 2 men, one who raped and one who never raped, if a guy should be killed for raping someone. Sure the rapist will say no, and the non rapist will say either yes or no.... my point is that everyone that was murdered by abortion cant have their say.....its just wrong.

but thats not the only reason im voting for bush.....
 
I was using sex in terms of procreation of one's species, not just for pleasure.

It's only enjoyable for human's because otherwise they would be too damn lazy to procreate for the sake of carrying on the race most likely.
 
KillKano! said:
The human specie unique in that we have a choice in what we do. Our actions are not controled by anyone or anything except our own mind. That is what makes us different from an animal.

KillKano! said:
And responsibility as a species? Do not get me started on this. Convoluted, ignorant, hippocritical, greedy, arrogant fools that do nothing for the betterment of humanity as a whole except when they die and rid us of their presence. Yet while they breathe no one stands up against them because of the "discomfort" they would encounter when standing up for what they believe is right. Responsibility lies within the individual and taking action, not as the specie as a whole.
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Human's are nothing more than more intelligent animals. We are still driven by the same instincts as the rest of the Animal Kingdom. Sex, Food, Sleep, Power, Will to survive and sometimes the wish to no longer live. Our instincts have just become tainted throughout evolution as we have learned to master our surroundings. Animals have the same ability to choose, and show plenty of signs of intelligence in the choices they make. You won't see a lone wolf hunt a buffalo usually, it would be suicide and he'd most likely get trampled. Put a pack of wolves on a buffalo and the tides turn. Sacrifice a little meat so that you gain enough to survive, sounds like solid reasoning from a mere beast. Basically what I'm getting at is, Unique in our ability to choose for better or worse we are not. We are merely pawns of a greater driving force within all of us.

Sex-self explanatory

Food-we all hunger after not eating, work is just a way to put food on the table and a necessary evil

Sleep-self explanatory as well, you don't get enough, and your body will quit on you till you have rested enough.

Power-just like animals vie for the highest spot in the pride/pack/school etc. humans try to gain power in society, be it through money, force or what not. Most animals, humans included, realize at some point in their existance that they will never be the top dog, and settle into an obediant and subserviant role.

Will to survive-most people don't want to die, and when cornered with one option or the other, will fight, even knowing they will lose just like an animal.

And the choice not to live-it's an escape for the weak not to mention a very selfish act. But hooray for the ones that do, thats true Darwinism shining through :D

I agree with the second part of your post entirely. It's just to the point now where a few bad apples have spoiled the bunch :cry:

Whats silly is we are arguing for the same thing (pro life) whilst we try to disprove each others reasons for believing that abortion is wrong. Unless of course I didn't go to the beginning of this particular thread within a thread...
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As I listen to your (or read, which metaphor you people prefer) incessant, uneducated, formulated opinion, which has absolutely no fact at all behind the statement. And frankly I don't give a damn if you support me or you don't, I could care less.

Beyond the basic necessities of drawing breath and and existing on the planet. Human beings are more than you seem to be able to realize. In fact, if we so fueled by our petty and base impulses, could you explain Ghandi? (Muhatmha something...not sure how to spell it, some one is welcome to help and correct me.) This man gave up a life of "Power, Wealth, Money, and whatever he could possibly imagine to do with it" to live a virtuous life. Now, I know you have no idea what that means, hopefully some one here in this forum will point out to you the teachings of Socrates and Plato. I know you've at least heard of the two Greek philosophers, although by the simple minded rambling you seem to fart along with is truely annoying, and I have yet again lost my patience with the ignorant and misinformed. Ghandi isn't the only individual to do this, to give up a rather "easy" and "fantasized" lifestyle. The man was born into anything you could possibly imagine and found it to be empty. I wonder why the Rich give so much to the poor. The passions or hungers of the soul you so narrowly expressed have nothing to do with life or human beings as finding the meaning of life or living a virtuous one.
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(off topic, maybe)I read something recently that made me think. It is conceivable that, granted evolution is an accepted and documented observable fact, evolution is the only construct that should be allowed to govern our actions, lives, and society as a whole. The basic principle and goal of evolution is to naturally develop genetic "skills" that promote ones survival over others. What would folllow this doctrine of Ethics of Evolution would be a world quite different. Mating would be a constant and mandatory activity when not otherwise involved with survival activities. The more reproduction of genetic material the more likely a mutation will occur, and the more mutations, the more likely one will be useful for survival. Any inferior specimen, deformed, sickly, or otherwise handicapped, will be immediately destroyed. This eliminates the need for medicine or medical care in society. Any creature that cannot hack it on its own is weak and unfit for life and most importantly ineligible for procreation. Survival of the Fittest. Death to the Rest. Ultimately we would be chasing perfection for eternity, living by these creeds. Continually improving the genetic pool. Legitimizing murder and promiscuity. I could go on forever, but this message is already too wordy.

Bush? Kerry? Both would be eliminated in the best of all possible worlds, along with their progeny.
 
ADullBoy said:
(off topic, maybe)I read something recently that made me think. It is conceivable that, granted evolution is an accepted and documented observable fact, evolution is the only construct that should be allowed to govern our actions, lives, and society as a whole. The basic principle and goal of evolution is to naturally develop genetic "skills" that promote ones survival over others. What would folllow this doctrine of Ethics of Evolution would be a world quite different. Mating would be a constant and mandatory activity when not otherwise involved with survival activities. The more reproduction of genetic material the more likely a mutation will occur, and the more mutations, the more likely one will be useful for survival. Any inferior specimen, deformed, sickly, or otherwise handicapped, will be immediately destroyed. This eliminates the need for medicine or medical care in society. Any creature that cannot hack it on its own is weak and unfit for life and most importantly ineligible for procreation. Survival of the Fittest. Death to the Rest. Ultimately we would be chasing perfection for eternity, living by these creeds. Continually improving the genetic pool. Legitimizing murder and promiscuity. I could go on forever, but this message is already too wordy.

Bush? Kerry? Both would be eliminated in the best of all possible worlds, along with their progeny.
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I could waste my time pointing out the several flaws with your statement. IE: The one about evolution, "any creature that cannont hack it on it's own," procreat mandatory, etc....

Out of the six different evolutional theories, only one of them has been documented to be remotely true, and even then takes time to change. Of course, I wonderi if they take into chemical and biological changes do to surroundings, but of course you wouldn't know about such things because you are blithering neanderthal. In fact, one human alone in these "conditions" you list would do well just to survive. A lone human accomplishes little. It's "team work," you know, like pack animals use, such as wolves, or family animals, such as whales. But you blither on like some third world nazi who has done no research.

It's kinda of like how marcism works in theory, yet is never possible in the real world. Please, think before you open your mouth.
 
So much hate, can't we all smoke a little peace pipe and get along?

And if you don't like smoking, there's always opium.
 
You won't find anyone in the military now that likes clinton. Though, they're not really to fond of Bush. B
 
Natsu said:
You won't find anyone in the military now that likes clinton. Though, they're not really to fond of Bush. B
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Oh. So, because he isn't off getting his troops killed in a pointless war, he's a bad president. I agree completely :?
 
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