Star Trek Into Darkness (teaser trailer now out)

LC, while I agree with your core point that Trek and Star Wars are more dissimilar than they are alike, you're also...wrong.

Star Wars is indeed Science Fiction. It's not hard science fiction (neither is Star Trek), which would be something more akin to the work of Clarke or Greg Bear, Larry Niven, etc. But it is Science Fiction, specifically, Science Fantasy. It uses a Science Fiction setting to facilitate the telling of a story. Science fiction is chiefly any story that postulates the existence of beyond conventional technology and science as a backdrop for telling a story (usually with a social or philosophical commentary theme). Science Fiction is a very...broad genre, ranging from the soft science fiction like Space Operas (of which both Star Trek and Star Wars are) to hard science fiction, such as Larry Niven's Ringworld, Greg Bear's Eon, most of Alastair Reynolds' work. Generally speaking, 'true', hard SF never becomes a movie.
 
Well all sci-fi SW vs. ST talk aside I'm stoked about this movie especially since they are obviously trying to play with the wrath of kahn concept like the dude's jacket lapel has similar thready designs as kahn's (as well as many other cast members in WoK) I'm hoping its NOT Kahn though honestly. The other theory being the "where no man has gone before" set up with Gary Mitchel as the antagonist sounds more interesting (again J.J. using pilot episode material) than just moving on to Kahn repeating the old order of things.
 
Freyith said:
LC, while I agree with your core point that Trek and Star Wars are more dissimilar than they are alike, you're also...wrong.

Star Wars is indeed Science Fiction. It's not hard science fiction (neither is Star Trek), which would be something more akin to the work of Clarke or Greg Bear, Larry Niven, etc. But it is Science Fiction, specifically, Science Fantasy. It uses a Science Fiction setting to facilitate the telling of a story. Science fiction is chiefly any story that postulates the existence of beyond conventional technology and science as a backdrop for telling a story (usually with a social or philosophical commentary theme). Science Fiction is a very...broad genre, ranging from the soft science fiction like Space Operas (of which both Star Trek and Star Wars are) to hard science fiction, such as Larry Niven's Ringworld, Greg Bear's Eon, most of Alastair Reynolds' work. Generally speaking, 'true', hard SF never becomes a movie.
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I'll take your word for it, since I don't generally keep up with the latest trends in nomenclature. Still, it seems silly to me that a story that could be told just as well without the technology aspect suddenly becomes sci-fi just because the technology is there. I do agree that Star Trek isn't quite what you call hard science fiction either, but you must agree that it is a few degrees closer that direction on the spectrum than Star Wars is... especially when you consider the franchise as a whole. The Abrams film is certainly a bit closer to Star Wars than everything else Star Trek is, which probably touches on the reason why Brucelord actually liked it. Perhaps Shirayuki ought to check that one out.

D3THF15T said:
Well all sci-fi SW vs. ST talk aside I'm stoked about this movie especially since they are obviously trying to play with the wrath of kahn concept like the dude's jacket lapel has similar thready designs as kahn's (as well as many other cast members in WoK) I'm hoping its NOT Kahn though honestly. The other theory being the "where no man has gone before" set up with Gary Mitchel as the antagonist sounds more interesting (again J.J. using pilot episode material) than just moving on to Kahn repeating the old order of things.
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You can tell we're on an MK site when Khan is misspelled "Kahn." lol.

We're just being trolled with the Khan stuff. They can't bring back Khan in today's PC climate. Khan was an Indian character played by a Hispanic actor with an iconic accent who didn't change his accent one bit for the role. In order to not alienate the fanbase, they'd have to do that again. And they can't.
 
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