[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

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Same here, [MENTION=17726]Noob-Zer013[/MENTION]

I'm just stating my opinions on the matter, based on what's been said in MKX.
I don't ultimately care who's under the MKX "Sub-Zero" mask, as long as he's human (which he is) and that the reason for MKX Sub-Zero being in isn't some random, lame, Lin Kuei stranger that isn't related to either the 2 brothers or the Cryomancer race.

I also want Johnny and Sonya to be confirmed already, so all the "Cassie is in, so those 2 can't be in" debate can also die down.
I have no personal like or dislike if those 2 (Sonya and Johnny) make the cut or don't make the cut.
If they make the cut, great.
If they don't make the cut, great.
 
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Commander said:
Same here, [MENTION=17726]Noob-Zer013[/MENTION]

I'm just stating my opinions on the matter, based on what's been said in MKX.
I don't ultimately care who's under the MKX "Sub-Zero" mask, as long as he's human (which he is) and that the reason for MKX Sub-Zero being in isn't some random, lame, Lin Kuei stranger that isn't related to either the 2 brothers or the Cryomancer race.

I also want Johnny and Sonya to be confirmed already, so all the "Cassie is in, so those 2 can't be in" debate can also die down.
I have no personal like or dislike if those 2 (Sonya and Johnny) make the cut or don't make the cut.
If they make the cut, great.
If they don't make the cut, great.
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Agreed. I feel the same way. No matter how it turns out, I trust Netherrealm to make something great as usual. The only piece of evidense on the Sub-Zero subject that I find impressive is the different voice actor. It still doesn't confirm anything but I'm anxious for Raiden, I mean Netherrealm, to reveal the truth.

I understand how you feel about the Sonya/Johnny situation. Having Cassie in the games does not mean her parents can't be in either. Its just my personal preference that they didn't. But as you said, either way is just fine.
 
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Same here.
There's a reason why John Vogel is the lead story writer at NRS, and not any of us here.
The voice actor thing does cast a certain suspicion, but then again, when I look at the whole MGSV: TPP voice actor situation, it doesn't hold up too much ground for me.
David Hayter voiced Big Boss in previous titles (MGS3 and MGS: Peace Walker), and Konami got Keifer Sutherland to do it for MGSV.
Maybe NRS couldn't get the same person to do the voice in MKX, or maybe 1 of the brothers sounds different due to either being dead (Kuai) or being cleansed / transformed back (Bi-Han).

Yup.
I expect them to be in, due to all the Ed Boon semi-confirmed hints and rumors, but I'm fine either way.
 
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BBBLP said:
The name Sub-Zero wasn't strictly given to the two brothers. It's a name that belongs to the Lin Kuei. There have been many Sub-Zeros, long before Bi Han was even born. This new one, if he is in fact new, would be taking the name up to honor the clan. Not the man.


And the entirety of the Lin Kuei was not yet put through the cyber initiative. We can see that in Sektor's ending.

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While it would be nice for one of the brothers to come back, the majority of fans do not give a shit. But I feel like bringing them back would only cheapen their deaths (Deception Liu Kang lol). Besides, I'd bet you that 75% of the people who buy MKX will have no idea who Bi Han is.
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I know Sub Zero was a code name. That Bi-Han was the original (that we're aware of) and that Kuai Liang took the Mantle to honor his brother but became better. But has it ever been mentioned of other Sub Zero's? I mean yeah Ed Boon recently stated the Lin Kuei have many SZs but i dont recall any other mention of any SZs besides Bi-Han/Kuai Liang?

I mean i always thought of the Lin Kuei of a melting pot of beings with special abilities. Of course there could be more SZs i just find 8t funny ive never heard of any other SZs. I thought tuey sere the lazt of the Cryomancer decendents.

Just my opinion of this...
 
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The Sub-Zero you meet in the beginning of Deception's Konquest isn't Bi Han iirc.
 
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jdnice11 said:
But has it ever been mentioned of other Sub Zero's? I mean yeah Ed Boon recently stated the Lin Kuei have many SZs but i dont recall any other mention of any SZs besides Bi-Han/Kuai Liang?
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IIRC, Bi-Han is the 5th Sub-Zero and Kuai-Liang is the 6th Sub-Zero.
Their father was the 4th.
I think [MENTION=12345]Tarkatan Trash[/MENTION] had the link to this, but I'm not sure.




On a completely different note:

As for MKX Sub-Zero's eyes turning white; It doesn't necessarily have to mean that he's dead.
In the old timeline his eyes also turned white after he came into contact with the Dragon Medallion.
 
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Tarkatan Trash said:
Right here.
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Thank you, sir. :rock::thrasher: :top:



This also lends credence to Cryomancer powers being passed down from generation to generation, and is why I think that the Sub-Zero in MKX (if it IS a new Sub-Zero) is related to the 2 brothers.

"These abilities are passed on from generation to generation and honed throughout the experiences of life."
 
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Commander said:
IIRC, Bi-Han is the 5th Sub-Zero and Kuai-Liang is the 6th Sub-Zero.
Their father was the 4th.
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This was retconned, no?
They were kidnapped as children in the new timeline.


Neither his vignette, nor his MK9 bio mention him being a Cryomancer. His bio specifically says, "As an assassin of the Lin Kuei, Kuai Liang commands the power of ice and cold" Making it seem like the Lin Kuei taught them how to use their powers.

Bio also confirms that Bi Han is older.
 
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BBBLP said:
This was retconned, no?
They were kidnapped as children in the new timeline.


Neither his vignette, nor his MK9 bio mention him being a Cryomancer. His bio specifically says, "As an assassin of the Lin Kuei, Kuai Liang commands the power of ice and cold" Making it seem like the Lin Kuei taught them how to use their powers.

Bio also confirms that Bi Han is older.
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Is Bi Han an older twin or just much older than Kuai Liang?
 
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BBBLP said:
This was retconned, no?
They were kidnapped as children in the new timeline.


Neither his vignette, nor his MK9 bio mention him being a Cryomancer. His bio specifically says, "As an assassin of the Lin Kuei, Kuai Liang commands the power of ice and cold" Making it seem like the Lin Kuei taught them how to use their powers.

Bio also confirms that Bi Han is older.
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No.
It was never retconned in MK9 that their powers weren't passed down from generation to generation.
In the original timeline they were also kidnapped by their father, where as in MK9 they were kidnapped by the Lin Kuei.
If their mother was the legal guardian and the father takes them away, that is kidnapping that was done against the mother's wishes.

Their mother wanted a normal life for her sons, who had already been chosen by the Lin Kuei to become warriors for the clan. She tried in vein to hide them from their father whose own life in America was only a cover for his true identity and purpose. Eventually they were found and their father returned with them to his homeland.
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His MK9 Bio states that he was trained in the techniques of being an assassin, not trained in the techniques of Cryomancy, thus it was still something passed down from generation to generation.
2 totally different things, on their own.

Bi-Han is the older brother.
I never said that Bi-Han was younger.


Grandmaster Sub Zero said:
Is Bi Han an older twin or just much older than Kuai Liang?
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He's the older brother, not a twin.
 
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But their father isn't in the Lin Kuei in MK9. That's the point I'm trying to make.


I never said that Bi-Han was younger.
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That was meant for somebody else.
 
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BBBLP said:
But their father isn't in the Lin Kuei in MK9. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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Their father wasn't mentioned in the bio but it doesn't mean that he wasn't in the Lin Kuei, in MK9.
They were still kidnapped in MK9, just like they were in the old timeline.
The insignificant detail being that this time the Lin Kuei did the kidnapping, as opposed to their father.
It's doesn't say anywhere in the MK9 Bio that their father didn't teach them.
 
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Which is why I also mentioned the vignette.

Which shows them being taken away from their mother and father. Then mentions the Lin Kuei training them to become assassins.
 
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BBBLP said:
Which is why I also mentioned the vignette.

Which shows them being taken away from their mother and father. Then mentions the Lin Kuei training them to become assassins.
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Still.
The vignette doesn't dispel the notion that they still learned Cryomancer powers (aka freezing abilities) from their father.

The Lin Kuei trained them to be assassins, but they didn't train them to be Cryomancers.
That's my point.
Cryomancy (freezing ability) is something that's passed down from generation to generation, through that race.
Frost was supposedly the last member of the Cryomancer race, thus why she also had the ability to freeze.
 
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Maybe cryomancy is something you can just learn.
I don't see their father teaching them anything about it since they were just toddlers when kidnapped.


Also the fact that the father isn't in the Lin Kuei in this timeline makes me believe he isn't a cryomancer at all.
 
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Their father likely taught them how to hone into their powers that they were born with, before being abducted.
As for the vignette;
Kuai-Liang and his brother Bi-Han were abducted as children and trained to be ultimate assassins, by the Link Kuei.
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Children, not toddlers, trained to be assassins by the Lin Kuei, not cryomancers.
Someone can be considered a child until the age of puberty.
Either way, it seems like Superman's powers, no one taught him how have his powers, he was just born with those powers.
Same goes for the the Sub-Zero brothers and Cryomancer race, and Reptile in the Saurian race.

It doesn't state anywhere that their father isn't in this timeline.
 
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Not toddlers? How old do they look here to you?


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I think this raises a strange unanswered question about MK9's retconn mania mess.
 
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