[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

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Why though? It was established that Quan Chi accused Bi-Han for killing Scorpion's family. He did this so that he could resurrect Bi-Han into Noob Saibot. Sure you couldn't tell in the vision, but it was (apparently) confirmed by Quan Chi that "Bi-Han" murdered Scorpions family. At the time, Bi-Han was the only one in the Lin Kuei known as Sub-Zero.

Plus, I don't see how it's even relevant to the MKX SZ.

Tell that to Subz 711........
No offence to him but to actually believe that it isn't meant to be Bi-Han in that vid is ridiculous. (at that point you are just kidding yourself if you believe that)
Kuai Liang didn't don sub zero's identity/attire till after Bi Han's death. (Yep let's ignore facts that were established in story mode lol.)

The fact that in the story mode Scorpion said to Kuai Liang that "You are not Sub Zero" which imply's that he knew it wasn't Bi-Han under that mask. (yep let's plead ignorance to this fact lol)

To Scorpion Kuai Liang is just another lin kuei member.
Scorp has shown the same level of disgust to Cyrax and Sektor it was no different with Kuai Liang but with Bi-Han he was far completely consumed with rage.

To really believe that Scorpion doesn't know which sub zero killed his clan..... at this point is far beyond retarded.
 
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Scorpion knew Kuai Liang wasn't Sub-Zero because he killed Sub-Zero with his own hands.

It was like killing someone and then of a suddenly the guy appears like nothing happened (the same reaction I will have if some dead characters return on MKX ALIVE, BREATHING AND HEALTHY for no reason).

I know he is a wraith and someone coming back for life is pretty normal on a world he came back too but...

he knew Kuai Liang wasn't that one's brother because he killed Bi-Han for sure, picked up his burnt skull and showed everybody, and not by recognizing his nice blue eyes lol

That's why I think a new Sub-Zero is an useless continuation of the rivalry. Murderer? I mean, did "someone" "mistakenly" charged the new guy as killer of who? Don't tell me it's his family. And don't even tell me it's another person who was the victim!!!

And don't even tell me Scorpion is thinking he is one of the two without being one of the two.

The continuation of this rivalry is to make Scorpion an idiot and Sub-Zero (no matter who) the worst person to complete a dialogue.

Really hope this ends, that's why I WANT Bi-Han. Why I think it's him is another story, and just a bet based on cracked dialogues and "what ifs" that I love.
 
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The continuation of this rivalry is to make Scorpion an idiot and Sub-Zero (no matter who) the worst person to complete a dialogue.

Really hope this ends, that's why I WANT Bi-Han. Why I think it's him is another story, and just a bet based on cracked dialogues and "what ifs" that I love.

This is pretty much how i feel about the entire feud.
Regardless this game is where the rivalry should finally end.
Sub zero (all of them lol) and scorpion need to have more interaction with other characters, further developing themselves in the process.
The interaction between Scorpion and Raiden in MK9 was done pretty well imo, glad to see they took some elements from that and implemented it into their MX intro's in vs mode.

I wish NRS spent more time on other rivalries.
 
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Its bi-han in his ceremonial armor/ war garb. The new sub-zero is a new sub-zero. I don't think kuai was a master seamstress that had time to make his own costume. He "assumed" his brother's identity. He dined bi's outfit and went to outworld
 
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[MENTION=11689]Reptile3[/MENTION]

Except I am not saying that Quan Chi wasn't convincing Scorpion to kill Bi-Han. That is OBVIOUSLY what he was trying to do.

What I am saying is that in MK4 Quan Chi convinced Scorpion that it was Kuai who murdered his family. Now, combine that with the fact that Bi-Han said "that is not me" before he died. Now, combine those facts with the fact that all Scorpion could see in the vision was Sub-Zero (unidentifiable which Sub-Zero) and you can draw the conclusion that Quan Chi absolutely still could say another Sub-Zero was responsible for the murder of his family.

It's not retarded to think either because imagine you have twins both going under the same name/dressed the same and one of them hurt someone in your family. Could you identify which one in a lineup? It's pretty much the same concept here.
 
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It's not retarded to think either because imagine you have twins both going under the same name/dressed the same and one of them hurt someone in your family. Could you identify which one in a lineup? It's pretty much the same concept here.
Twins? Isn't Kuai Liang the younger brother?
 
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I always assumed there was a 10 year age difference. That's probably stretching it...

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I'm don't remember if the old or new timeline clarifies or not. I always thought the age difference was from 5 to 8 years. I thought the story informed me that they were twins. I honestly forget.
 
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Perhaps its not Bi-Han or Kuai Liang. It's probably one of the Lin Kuei soldiers that was a friend of one of the brothers and took their place in honor. In hopes of revealing the truth to Scorpion of the deaths of his family and clan. Plus gaining the brothers' innocence.

Just a theory.
 
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Perhaps its not Bi-Han or Kuai Liang. It's probably one of the Lin Kuei soldiers that was a friend of one of the brothers and took their place in honor. In hopes of revealing the truth to Scorpion of the deaths of his family and clan. Plus gaining the brothers' innocence.

Just a theory.

Interesting theory, but I kind of debunked that with my quote below. If you didn't see the post here it is.

Im re-posting this in case you didn't catch it. I apologize if this counts as double posting.

Something just came to my attention. I don't think this is a random Lin Kuei. In the last game, the cyber initiative was being pushed by the current grandmaster of the Lin Kuei. This "new" Lin Kuei has no cybernetic enhancements. It's gotta be Bi-Han or Kuai.
 
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Interesting theory, but I kind of debunked that with my quote below. If you didn't see the post here it is.

I really have to say, your logic really does debunk the new Subzero theory to the point where my Bi-Han/Kuai/New chances are at 50%/45%/15%. I forgot about that.
The only reason I still hold on to the belief of a new subzero is because:
1) I can't find a logical way for Bi-Han to be human again without using that fan-made soulnado theory.
2) Subzero reformed the Lin Kuei in MKDA with humans so I can't see why another cryomancer can't do the same.
 
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New Sub-Zero could possibly stop Sektor too.
 
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I really have to say, your logic really does debunk the new Subzero theory to the point where my Bi-Han/Kuai/New chances are at 50%/45%/15%. I forgot about that.
The only reason I still hold on to the belief of a new subzero is because:
1) I can't find a logical way for Bi-Han to be human again without using that fan-made soulnado theory.
2) Subzero reformed the Lin Kuei in MKDA with humans so I can't see why another cryomancer can't do the same.

Thanks for hearing me out. Think about it though, MK universe defies a lot of logic. In MK, nearly everything is possible. Ex: Raiden can deny the laws of gravity, and control lightning. Sub-Zero can shoot ice from his palms. ;)

New Sub-Zero could possibly stop Sektor too.

That's very true, but to me that's pretty lame. So this new Sub-Zero also happens to be a Cryomancer, and he also happened to escape the Lin Kuei's cyber initiative. Not only that, but he's taken up the name Sub-Zero in the brothers' honor, while looking for a way to take over, and re-shape the Lin Kuei in his image.

No offense dude, but that's the lazy way to make a story. Not only that, but to me it kinda sounds like Kuai Liang's story, except with some random cryomancer behind the mask. That to me, seems like a really odd, and unexciting point in the story. Don't get me wrong, it's an ok theory and it's possible, but don't you think that's pretty dull. Why do that when you have the power to resurrect fan favs in your story, ya know?
 
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The name Sub-Zero wasn't strictly given to the two brothers. It's a name that belongs to the Lin Kuei. There have been many Sub-Zeros, long before Bi Han was even born. This new one, if he is in fact new, would be taking the name up to honor the clan. Not the man.


And the entirety of the Lin Kuei was not yet put through the cyber initiative. We can see that in Sektor's ending.

sektor-mk9end3.png



While it would be nice for one of the brothers to come back, the majority of fans do not give a shit. But I feel like bringing them back would only cheapen their deaths (Deception Liu Kang lol). Besides, I'd bet you that 75% of the people who buy MKX will have no idea who Bi Han is.
 
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The name Sub-Zero wasn't strictly given to the two brothers. It's a name that belongs to the Lin Kuei. There have been many Sub-Zeros, long before Bi Han was even born. This new one, if he is in fact new, would be taking the name up to honor the clan. Not the man.


And the entirety of the Lin Kuei was not yet put through the cyber initiative. We can see that in Sektor's ending.

sektor-mk9end3.png



While it would be nice for one of the brothers to come back, the majority of fans do not give a shit. But I feel like bringing them back would only cheapen their deaths (Deception Liu Kang lol). Besides, I'd bet you that 75% of the people who buy MKX will have no idea who Bi Han is.

Sub-Zero is a code name that the individual can choose to go by. You do bring up an extremely good point though. I guess my opinions biased, because I'm REALLY hoping that one of the bros returns as SZ. Lol. Scratch that. My opinion is definitely biased, because it would mean a lot to me if one of the bros returned from the dead.

I'd say there is a fair chance for both of our opinions though. I guess we'll see when the game comes out. Man, it's ridiculous how excited I am for this game. I can't hardly wait anymore. :rofl:
 
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No he didn't. Scorpion was accusing Bi-Han and Quan Chi fed off of that because he knew Scorpion was vulnerable. He showed him a vision of A Sub-Zero. You cannot tell who that is in the vision. Was he accusing Bi-Han at the time? Yeah because it was convenient. That doesn't change the fact that the guy was masked (which means you can't see an IDENTIFIABLE face). What I'm saying is the vision is just A Sub-Zero. You cannot identify who it is. You can't. Sorry.



Araknyd you are acting dumb right now because you are saying Kuai came along later and drastically changed the costume. The costume in the vision is the one Kuai is wearing! You are so damn hardheaded it's like you don't fully think out what I'm saying.

We have also established that Scorpion most likely thought the Sub-Zero in Kahn's arena was not Sub-Zero because he KILLED Sub-Zero earlier in the story. Scorpion HELD his damn spine. That's why he said immediately "you are not Sub-Zero". It's not like he could just look at him and know. .

At the end of the day what happened was Quan Chi showed a guy dressed up as Sub-Zero in the vision.

1. Scorpion heard Bi-Han say "that is not me"
2. The guy in the vision is NOT identifiable. It could be literally anybody behind the mask.

I literally cannot make it any clearer. You can't identify a masked man Araknyd or Commander. That's the whole purpose of a mask. It conceals your identity.

Quan Chi's quote to Scorpion sounded more like he had accused Bi-Han of killing Scorpion's family and clan, after he resurrected Scorpion.
Notice how before he shows Scorpion the false images, how Quan chi says the following:
Quan Chi: "Have you forgotten?"
Scorpion obviously never remembered Bi-Han killing his family, and that was a false vision that was put there by Quan Chi.
Also, as for identity, as [MENTION=4889]BBBLP[/MENTION] mentioned, when only 1 "Sub-Zero" existed at the time of pre-MK1 thru MK1, you sure as hell can identify who that is under the mask.
Whether you can tell who the person is under the mask or not is irrelevant, as the only person wearing that gear at that time, was Bi-Han.
Despite someone else possibly masquerading in the costume, the automatic assumption for pre-MK1 thru MK1 "Sub-Zero" IS Bi-Han.


I'm acting dumb?
The explanation for Kuai's costume in Quan Chi's vision is simple.
Kuai-Liang's costume either didn't exist until AFTER Bi-Han died or was originally meat to be Bi-Han's costume, and that's a FACT.
It's even in the Story Mode.
"But assuming Bi-Han's identity is the best way to honor him."
"Let us proceed then, Sub-Zero."
Did you even pay attention to story mode?

Scorpion likely also said "You are not Sub-Zero" because the costumes look different to him.
I'm pretty sure that if Bi-Han cam back from the dead wearing his MK9 blue costume, Scorpion would have easily recognized him as being the original Sub-Zero that he feuded with.
The fact of the matter remains that Scorpion easily recognized that Kuai's costume =/= this VVVVVV:

MK9 Bi-Han costume.jpg


At the end of the day, what Quan Chi showed was someone in Bi-Han's costume killing his clan and family.
Again, whether or not that actually was Bi-Han under the mask, the mask and costume were his during that time period, so the automatic assumption is Bi-Han.

I cannot make it any clearer.
The only guy wearing that mask and costume, during pre-MK1 and MK1 was Bi-Han.
The fact that Kuai took up the costume and mantle later is irrelevant to the vision, which took place in the past.




New Sub-Zero could possibly stop Sektor too.

Another great point.

Just because MKX Sub-Zero has a "Grandmaster" variation, why do people (not you [MENTION=4889]BBBLP[/MENTION]) automatically assume that he becomes the new Grandmaster.
Why can't MKX Sub-Zero kill the current Grandmaster, possibly Sektor in this timeline (if that ending does come to fruition in MKX), and just take the Dragon Medallion for himself???
Thus, he would have the medallion that the Grandmaster previously was in possession of, and the variation name would be appropriate.
 
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While it would be nice for one of the brothers to come back, the majority of fans do not give a shit. But I feel like bringing them back would only cheapen their deaths (Deception Liu Kang lol). Besides, I'd bet you that 75% of the people who buy MKX will have no idea who Bi Han is.

Yeah but the 25%, which DO know who Bi Han is, want to see one of the brothers return. These are the 25% which actually matter. Fans kept this franchise alive when it was dying because we buy and watch even the shitty stuff that was produced by Midway.

I would hate the fact that you can always bring a new Sub-Zero. Subby already loses and dies in every f***ing commercial or spot because of Scorpion being Boon's favorite character. Scorpion kicks Subby's ass even when I start MK9. They don't kill Scorpion or turn him into a shitty cyborg which dies too. They could do it as well and bring just another Scorpion which can be created in the Netherrealm. Sub-Zero earns more respect. I don't care whether the MKX human Sub is Bi Han or Kuai. But please, do not make Sub-Zero just a random guy.
 
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