[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

[Tarkatan Trash]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Lets be honest here, its probably both.

The one we've been seing is Bi-Han, and Kuai will be the other costume.

Once is an accident.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is a pattern.

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[Subz 711]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Once is an accident.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is a pattern.

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Kuai Liang clearly said in the last game that his soul was corrupted.

Let's forget that ish was even said though. Throw it out.

That line would STILL be relevant to Kuai Liang because he was in the netherrealm (a place which corrupts you) and
he said he has been FREED. Which also goes along with what the Sub-Zero in the comic book says when he says "Quan Chi is in his past" meaning he has been released or FREED from Quan's slavery.

I will be honest too. These lines even sound like Kuai Liang.
Sub-Zero: How many souls do you have?
Ermac: Thousands
Sub-Zero: Yet, you have no heart.

That just sounds like something Kuai Liang would say. He sounds like a really GOOD guy.

The reason you guys die for Bi-Han back is because you want the "evil" or "neutral" Sub-Zero, but this is not sounding like that. So, what you are all clamoring for is basically the name Bi-Han. You don't even want Bi-Han's characteristics back you want him in name alone.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Kuai Liang clearly said in the last game that his soul was corrupted.

Let's forget that ish was even said though. Throw it out.

That line would STILL be relevant to Kuai Liang because he was in the netherrealm (a place which corrupts you) and
he said he has been FREED. Which also goes along with what the Sub-Zero in the comic book says when he says "Quan Chi is in his past" meaning he has been released or FREED from Quan's slavery.

I will be honest too. These lines even sound like Kuai Liang.
Sub-Zero: How many souls do you have?
Ermac: Thousands
Sub-Zero: Yet, you have no heart.

That just sounds like something Kuai Liang would say. He sounds like a really GOOD guy.

The reason you guys die for Bi-Han back is because you want the "evil" or "neutral" Sub-Zero, but this is not sounding like that. So, what you are all clamoring for is basically the name Bi-Han. You don't even want Bi-Han's characteristics back you want him in name alone.

I'm not saying it's Bi-Han, I'm saying it's either him or Kuai Liang, or perhaps one costume is one and an alternate is the other (which was the case in MK9), but either way, it's one of the two and absolutely nobody else. Pre-fight intros make it far too clear that this Sub-Zero is a returning one.

And for the record, Kuai Liang is my favorite version of Sub-Zero.

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[Subz 711]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

I'm not saying it's Bi-Han, I'm saying it's either him or Kuai Liang, or perhaps one costume is one and an alternate is the other (which was the case in MK9), but either way, it's one of the two and absolutely nobody else. Pre-fight intros make it far too clear that this Sub-Zero is a returning one.

And for the record, Kuai Liang is my favorite version of Sub-

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Nah that wasn't directed at anyone in particular Tarkatan_Trash.

I was told in the other thread about Kuai that I was "Smug", "In-denial", "Reaching".

I definitely am not saying this IS NOT Bi-Han. I simply display facts. Yet, people get mad when I do.

Here it is I won't be as mad if this is Bi-Han because I like Sub-Zero as a good guy. I just do. I don't want him evil. This guy definitely is a good guy so I win. I also win in the fact that even IF it is Bi-han then you guys aren't getting the character you have thought he would be. This guy is a servant of Raiden, a good guy, and grandmaster of the Lin Kuei. All past traits of Kuai Liang. So, basically what you're getting is a copycat of Kuai.

 

[Sn202]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Nah that wasn't directed at anyone in particular Tarkatan_Trash.

I was told in the other thread about Kuai that I was "Smug", "In-denial", "Reaching".

I definitely am not saying this IS NOT Bi-Han. I simply display facts. Yet, people get mad when I do.

Here it is I won't be as mad if this is Bi-Han because I like Sub-Zero as a good guy. I just do. I don't want him evil. This guy definitely is a good guy so I win. I also win in the fact that even IF it is Bi-han then you guys aren't getting the character you have thought he would be. This guy is a servant of Raiden, a good guy, and grandmaster of the Lin Kuei. All past traits of Kuai Liang. So, basically what you're getting is a copycat of Kuai.

Who said that the Sub-Zero we saw getting scarred is the same Sub-Zero as the one we've seen ingame and that made a cameo later in the comic?

I want to point out, both of them show up in the comic, with wildly different outfits.

Most likely Bi-Han (middle of second row):

Most likely Kuai Liang:

Now, they could flip those two, i dont know, but "Kuai's" outfit alludes to his previous outfits in MK9, MK Deadly Alliance, and MK3. Specifically the shirtless look with giant puffed straps, alluding to MK3/DA, same with the scar and the fact that he doesnt have a full mask (he has a mouth covering one, its knocked off before that page) also note that he has a goatee, and his gauntlets are very similar to the ones he had in MK9.

The one we've seen ingame shows up seperately in another panel, and noticably has the Grandmasters Dragon Medallion, the Mortal Kombat X outfit, and i can just assume that like in the actual game, he's clean shaven, off-model coloring errors aside, and though its a little difficult to make out, he doesnt have the eye scar. The comic so far hasnt been skipping through time, except for going back a little to lead up to the Cassie Cage vs. Frost fight, otherwise, its all happening at once, or atleast in sequence, as Kano is visible doing something else in the first pic. There is a minor continuity error with Jacqui though, but thats for another day.

Keep in mind, the "Kamidogu" dagger Sub-Zero goes to retrieve is very different compared to the one Raiden uses, so its not a lead up to that scene.

Its probably both, the one we've been seeing is most likely Bi-Han.

 

[kadell]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Nah that wasn't directed at anyone in particular Tarkatan_Trash.

I was told in the other thread about Kuai that I was "Smug", "In-denial", "Reaching".

I definitely am not saying this IS NOT Bi-Han. I simply display facts. Yet, people get mad when I do.

Here it is I won't be as mad if this is Bi-Han because I like Sub-Zero as a good guy. I just do. I don't want him evil. This guy definitely is a good guy so I win. I also win in the fact that even IF it is Bi-han then you guys aren't getting the character you have thought he would be. This guy is a servant of Raiden, a good guy, and grandmaster of the Lin Kuei. All past traits of Kuai Liang. So, basically what you're getting is a copycat of Kuai.

Now that you mention it, although I still believe it is Bi Han, he does not act like Bi Han personality wise. However, he also isn't as "forgiving" as Kuai Lang either (him taunting Scorpion and Raiden). I mean, unless we count Bi Han deciding not to kill Sareena, but he probably only did it for the puh (sorry if that's a bit too vulgar, but lets be honest here :laugh: ).

 

[kadell]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

[MENTION=7297]Sn202[/MENTION] Tbh, the Subzero in the top picture looks like some noob (not the wraith) Subzero. Like maybe the Sea of Subzeros will become the new Lin Kuei?

 

[Sn202]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

[MENTION=7297]Sn202[/MENTION] Tbh, the Subzero in the top picture looks like some noob (not the wraith) Subzero. Like maybe the Sea of Subzeros will become the new Lin Kuei?

Huh?

What do you mean.

Thats very clearly (albeit slightly miscolored) MK X Sub-Zero.

 

[BBBLP]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Kuai Liang may have been corrupt in the Netherrealm. But Bi Han was the definition of corruption. He turned into a heartless black demon lol. I don't see why you guys are still clinging to this.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

It is possible however that Bi-Han gets the scar in this timeline instead of Kuai Liang, just like Kuai Liang was robotized instead of Smoke.

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[Sn202]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

It is possible however that Bi-Han gets the scar in this timeline instead of Kuai Liang, just like Kuai Liang was robotized instead of Smoke.

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Thats true, i did mention that in my post after all.

 

[Viking_Poodle]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

It is possible however that Bi-Han gets the scar in this timeline instead of Kuai Liang, just like Kuai Liang was robotized instead of Smoke.

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Exactly what I've been saying. And I'd be willing to bet it heals over time. We'll probably have an alt costume with the scar. OR the costume that we've been seeing is the ALT like they hinted at in the stream.

 

[kadell]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Huh?

What do you mean.

Thats very clearly (albeit slightly miscolored) MK X Sub-Zero.

Pretty much the miss color. It makes the costume look less like a vest and more like something the foot ninjas from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would wear.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Could each of the three variations of Sub-Zero represent Kuai Liang, Bi-Han & the new one?

 

[Subz 711]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Who said that the Sub-Zero we saw getting scarred is the same Sub-Zero as the one we've seen ingame and that made a cameo later in the comic?

I want to point out, both of them show up in the comic, with wildly different outfits.

Most likely Bi-Han (middle of second row):

In this exact same vision Raiden sees Reptile standing next to Kotal Kahn. Yet, he is not in his MKX costume. So, is that a different Reptile? Oh, and cassie is in street clothes in her fight against frost. So, is there a different Cassie Cage?

Viking_Poodle just flatout said that the scar could fade, yet this is in favor of it fading on Bi-han correct? Okay, gotcha.

So, defining evidence which points to Bi-han:

1. Sinister or Dark Attitude.
2. Rivalry with Scorpion

Defining evidence which would point to Kuai Liang if we didn't give everything to Bi-han.
1. Kitana and Kung Lao have both been raised from the dead.
2. MK3 costume in the comic which is roughly 10 YEARS before Raiden's vision.
3. Kittelsen hinted that Sub-Zero would receive the Lin Kuei gear later in the comic (which we see Sub-Zero wearing in Raiden's vision)
4. Receives a scar in the comic
5. Although he has a "dark attitude" his lines in game come across as a good guy. Just listen to some of them.
6. Grandmaster variation which was previously Kuai Liang's storyline.

That is me not looking through rose tinted glasses. Honestly I want someone to point out other evidence which is really defining of Bi-han.

The whole corrupt thing I ADMIT could be Bi-han, but I do not rule it out as Kuai either because he was a SLAVE to quan chi. He was also a slave to his cyber armor which he could now be FREED of. Kuai also had the direct line of "My soul was corrupted, now it is cleansed" in MK9. Yeah, it was cleansed, but then he died and went to hell. So much for being cleansed.

All I'm saying is that there still is no way you can say Bi-Han CONFIRMED.

 

[Viking_Poodle]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

In this exact same vision Raiden sees Reptile standing next to Kotal Kahn. Yet, he is not in his MKX costume. So, is that a different Reptile? Oh, and cassie is in street clothes in her fight against frost. So, is there a different Cassie Cage?

I don't think anyone is saying that. Characters can wear different clothing, ya know?

So, defining evidence which points to Bi-han:

1. Sinister or Dark Attitude.
2. Rivalry with Scorpion

I don't see where you're getting the sinister/dark attitude thing from. Or the rivalry with Scorpion. Didn't Kenshi help Hanzo to see the truth and to control the Scorpion side of him? I'd be willing to bet that'd put a damper on the whole 'rivalry' thing.

Defining evidence which would point to Kuai Liang if we didn't give everything to Bi-han.
1. Kitana and Kung Lao have both been raised from the dead.

But we don't know that yet either. Not everything is as it seems.

2. MK3 costume in the comic which is roughly 10 YEARS before Raiden's vision.

Like I said.. Characters can wear different clothing. Also, from what we heard in the KombatKast, it's likely that a lot of what we have seen are alt costumes.

3. Kittelsen hinted that Sub-Zero would receive the Lin Kuei gear later in the comic (which we see Sub-Zero wearing in Raiden's vision)

And? How exactly is that a hint towards Kuai?

4. Receives a scar in the comic

And Kuai Liang never became a cyborg in the last timeline. So your point here is? It could be either of them getting the scar.

5. Although he has a "dark attitude" his lines in game come across as a good guy. Just listen to some of them.

And Although Bi Han was a heartless assassin, he helped Raiden throughout MK: Mythologies and generally was a good guy. So?

6. Grandmaster variation which was previously Kuai Liang's storyline.

Yep, and things are different know. Which could very well place Bi Han in his position.

That is me not looking through rose tinted glasses.

It really might be.

All I'm saying is that there still is no way you can say Bi-Han CONFIRMED.

This is where I agree with you. You're right. There is no way to tell for sure. But the evidence sure does stack up in favor of Bi Han.

 

[jdnice11]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Ok so in an Intro Dialogue with Ermac:
Sub Zero- Ermac
Ermac- You soul is Corrupted
Sub Zero- Not Corrupted, FREED!

Skip to 46 sec to see that Intro

Thoughts?

 

[Subz 711]

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This is where I agree with you. You're right. There is no way to tell for sure. But the evidence sure does stack up in favor of Bi Han.

No, it doesn't. That's all I can really say. I just showed valid evidence of things which would or should point towards Kuai Liang, but somehow you guys are spinning it so that it favors Bi-han. I'm telling you guys that there is no evidence I can point to you which would even remotely make you think it's Kuai either even if it in actuality was.

You favor Bi-han so it's going to make you lean his way. I DO FAVOR Kuai Liang, but I'm genuinely showing the things which would favor either of them.

In regards to the things that favor Bi-han the dark attitude is something that you guys have been using on this forum since June. That's why I used that in his favor. However, I have also pointed out that people note Kitana having a "Dark attitude" as well. Even claiming she's Mileena.

Then the rivalry or intro lines are another thing that people have used to say it's Bi-Han.

I'm telling you though. There is no evidence I can give any of you besides the evidence which has been given already.

Basically, you think they are giving Bi-han Kuai Liang's MK3 costume, the scar, The Grandmaster storyline, the good character, etc.. (No, Bi-han was not good either). The storyline has changed Yes. Again though. If you guys are wanting Bi-han then you are wanting him in name alone because this is not his character.

 

[Viking_Poodle]

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No, it doesn't. That's all I can really say. I just showed valid evidence of things which would or should point towards Kuai Liang, but somehow you guys are spinning it so that it favors Bi-han.

Do you not see yourself doing the same thing, but towards Kuai? Look, I don't really have a horse in this race. I don't care which Sub Zero it is. I'm just calling it as I see it. And from the looks of what everyone else is saying, I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

I'm telling you guys that there is no evidence I can point to you which would even remotely make you think it's Kuai either even if it in actuality was.

You favor Bi-han so it's going to make you lean his way. I DO FAVOR Kuai Liang, but I'm genuinely showing the things which would favor either of them.

Right. Yet you said in you clearly separated your 'defining characteristics' between two characters.

In regards to the things that favor Bi-han the dark attitude is something that you guys have been using on this forum since June. That's why I used that in his favor.

Fair enough.

However, I have also pointed out that people note Kitana having a "Dark attitude" as well. Even claiming she's Mileena.

Yep. Because that's a major possibility. She did that throughout Deception. As I said.. we don't know the circumstances in which these characters are back yet. Not everything may be as it seems.

I'm telling you though. There is no evidence I can give any of you besides the evidence which has been given already.

Basically, you think they are giving Bi-han Kuai Liang's MK3 costume, the scar, The Grandmaster storyline, the good character, etc.. (No, Bi-han was not good either). The storyline has changed Yes. Again though. If you guys are wanting Bi-han then you are wanting him in name alone because this is not his character.

Bi Han may not have been entirely good. But he did enough. He embarked on a quest for Lord Raiden to save earth. If he were the evil assassin that we used to think he was, why would he even care? He also cared enough to show compassion when he lost Sareena. He may not be entirely good, but there is some good in there. If he does come back, he may take on Kuai's role, but that doesn't mean that everything is going to be the same. Obviously things are much more different this time around.

 

[MitsuharuSan]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

The intro dialogue for Ermac vs. Sub-Zero about Zero's soul says some about the character, I think. "Your soul is corrupted". "Not corrupted, freed".

Bi-Han?