SPOILER ALERT:Mortal Kombat X DIGITAL COMIC DISCUSSION

Taj Gill said:
Did anyone read that article that accompanied the preview?

The writer had no funking idea what he was talking about. Reading that made me want to smash my phone. He said he was disappointed that Cary Tagawa wasn't drawn as Shang Tsung. And in a cheap effort to appeal to the MK crowd, he thought that every C gets changed to a K, so he wrote "Solikitation", not knowing that only words where the C acts like a K gets changed.

What a Goof. I hate it when the media tasks people who have no idea about the subject matter to report on it to the general public. It serves nothing but disappointment. This reminded me of that IGN segment between that dude that had no idea what he was talking about and Ed Boon, and it got embarrassingly awkward because Boon pretty much had to say random shit in order to not make the stream completely silent.

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Can't really blame him about the C to K thing. Hell, there's even a thread on here for Tanya where the world "discussion" is changed to "diskussion." I cringe every single time I read that title. Lol
 
MKLegion said:
No, the comics are canon, they are meant to fill the blanks of the MKX story mode so they have to be, are their alot of inconsistencies between the two, yes, but it is still meant to be 100% canon
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They're supposed to be, but as we've seen on many, many occasions, they contradict the game and therefore aren't.
 
You can't disregard the comics as canon because of a few inconsistencies. What they just showed with Outworld origins isn't invalidated because they got some dates wrong in other issues. If the creator of Mortal Kombat says that they're canon, then I'm pretty sure his word overrides all of ours.
 
BBBLP said:
You can't disregard the comics as canon because of a few inconsistencies. What they just showed with Outworld origins isn't invalidated because they got some dates wrong in other issues. If the creator of Mortal Kombat says that they're canon, then I'm pretty sure his word overrides all of ours.
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Sure, I agree. But they're secondary canon, basically, like the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The movies in that case or games in this case are free to override them and take precedence.
 
I just wish that, if for the next game they use something from the comic in the game and something from the game in the comic, they have more communication, and not two groups writing different stories trying to say they are one.

All inconsistencies are pretty annoying, no matter how small.

If you pick up the game and relate directly with MK9, you won't miss the comics, that's the problem, they should make the difference.

For "MK11" they have the chance, since the comics are already in development.
 
BBBLP said:
You can't disregard the comics as canon because of a few inconsistencies. What they just showed with Outworld origins isn't invalidated because they got some dates wrong in other issues. If the creator of Mortal Kombat says that they're canon, then I'm pretty sure his word overrides all of ours.
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Then the creator of MK must be saying the game isn't canon because of those inconsistencies...which cannot be because the game is the Source Material which the komic is based off of.

Then again, Ed Boon hasn't exactly been known to have the best knowledge of the MK story (especially since he has always delegated story writing responsibilities to either John Tobias or John Vogel), and there are documented examples of him showing just that...such as claiming on Twitter that Johnny Cage and Sonya divorced because of "money problems"...the real reason is because Sonya had issues dealing with basic family values. Then there's the whole "Evil Kitana" quote with regards to Jade (in reality, that description belongs to Mileena).

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reikoiskahn said:
Can't really blame him about the C to K thing. Hell, there's even a thread on here for Tanya where the world "discussion" is changed to "diskussion." I cringe every single time I read that title. Lol
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Lol I made that title...

I'm talking about changing the C to K when the C doesn't even make the K sound. It makes sense for a word like discussion, but solicitation? Spelling it "Solikitation" destroys the whole pronunciation of the word. Last I checked, K doesn't make the S or soft C sound.

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Sadly wasn't here last night to post the usual summary. Don't think I'll bother now unless someone really wants one.

Taj Gill said:
So how far in advance do you think these comics have been written?

We're almost a month into the Game's release, and the scene where Mileena gets overthrown is completely different than what happens in Story Mode.

I don't wanna be another guy screaming inconsistencies, but it's clear Kittelson had too much free reign with this.

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If anything, it's clear NRS didn't share enough. They didn't show the artists what costumes characters should actually have at certain points in time, they gave Kittelsen the dialogue but didn't seem to tell him or the artists where Mileena's overthrow actually takes place, that thing about Reptile jumping in the way of an attack on Kotal seems to have been something cut out of the final product... it's not about "too much free reign," it's about "too much miscommunication."
 
I liked the comic. I think it's cool when you show that these characters were all under Shao Kahn's hand, what duties they had, etc.

Holy crap, the dialogue is the same from the game, but the scene is totally different.

I don't know what to think. Harpoon has a point, maybe they handed only the dialogues, but not the scenes or anything.

Yet they insist doing MK9 scenes wrong too, who the hell doesn't know Shan Tsung's courtyard is outdoors? And we have seen it when Havik is there, on the comic, and they did it outdoors.

The big problem is the lack of communication. If they had handled proper material to be written, everything would be better.

With the proper context, the "free reign" wouldn't be a problem too, because you know your limitations, you wouldn't write plots that wouldn't even be touched or mentioned in the game. As I said, connect MKX to MK9 and it fits perfeclty, like the comic never existed.

We only consider the comic so far because Boon said it's canon. If he didn't say, it would be the extreme conclusion that game and comic are two parallel stories.

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IMO, two problems.

Lack of communication: Kittelsen writes and the artists draw things they know, but have never seen. IMO, annoying, but minor problem.

Too much freedom combined with no cooperation of game's writers: many cool plots invented but have no difference on the game. Clearly not mentioned because they couldn't have happened on other person's mind, some of them are so relevant but made no difference. Vogel's team wrote a story only based on MK9 and their own minds while Kittelsen makes stories of his own mind and from shadows of an upcoming game. Extremely annoying and is what causes most the impression of two parallel stories.
 
It's the SAME DIALOGUE! What more proof of canon could you want??? :dong: :vroam:

The fact that now they're in front of the palace and not in the palace is just the artist's depiction of the scene.
 
Harpoon said:
Sadly wasn't here last night to post the usual summary. Don't think I'll bother now unless someone really wants one.



If anything, it's clear NRS didn't share enough. They didn't show the artists what costumes characters should actually have at certain points in time, they gave Kittelsen the dialogue but didn't seem to tell him or the artists where Mileena's overthrow actually takes place, that thing about Reptile jumping in the way of an attack on Kotal seems to have been something cut out of the final product... it's not about "too much free reign," it's about "too much miscommunication."
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I'd like one, please and thank you!
 
That scene where Mileena orders DVorah to kiss her boot. I got a tingly feeling in my pants after that one.. and good lord Tasia looks fantastic. All of these characters coming back.. and they arent in the game :(
 
mattteo said:
I'm still grateful for this comic, but I wish they would stop treating things in such a childish matter. After all, Mortal Kombat is not the usual comic addressed to children, but to full grown men. Shao Kahn just walking up to D'vorah asking "Who are you? Their Queen?" was just stupid and it would have been better if she had manipulated someone into introducing her to the Emperor and her actually having a plan.
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Why are you spoilering things from the comic in the thread about the comic after the issue has already come out? :laugh:

As cool as that would be, there usually just isn't room. Comics aren't the medium to go to if you want to see masterful build-ups of subplots. That's literature and TV. Comics have a pre-set size. You can't just make up brand new pages. Another page devoted to D'Vorah and Shao kahn and another page devoted to D'Vorah and Mileena would have meant a page less time for Ferra/Torr or Reptile.

Maybe Kittelsen thought that, seeing as how D'Vorah is about to get plenty of screentime escorting Sonya to Shang Tsung's island, it would be OK to take a shortcut with her here.

mattteo said:
It's the SAME DIALOGUE! What more proof of canon could you want??? :dong: :vroam:
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It's the same dialogue, but it doesn't mean that Kittelsen saw the cutscenes. He might have been given the script to them. That would explain why Mileena has her Tournament outfit, why Kotal Kahn has his primary outfit instead of Osh-Tekk, why the Tarkatans don't look like the Tarkatans in-game, why the setting is different...

But it could, as you say, also be explained by different artist's interpretation.

Like [MENTION=4889]BBBLP[/MENTION] says, this really isn't a big deal. I think that people who see reason here to discredit the comic as canon are those who've never read comics before. These sort of inconsistencies are absolutely routine. First Kittelsen is being asked to interpret MKX (faithfully, based on possibly limited information), then a dozen artists who may be completely unfamiliar with MK and are not communicating amongst themselves are asked to interpret Kittelsen's vision... it's a recipe for disaster. And to top it all off, Kittelsen doesn't appear to anyone overseeing him or fact-checking his work, which means every once in a while he'll simply accidentally forget something, as any human does, and no one will be there to catch it. Inconsistencies will abound over a long run. You just have to roll with it and use your imagination to work out the differences.

Imperatrix Sindel said:
Sure, I agree. But they're secondary canon, basically, like the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The movies in that case or games in this case are free to override them and take precedence.
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Based on these guidelines, I'd say the comic is firmly in C-Canon territory. It's recent and it's clearly been influencing NRS's own perception of the characters they created.

MKL used to be N-Canon, but may now be shifting toward some very ambiguous area between N-Canon and S-Canon with the inclusion of Kung Jin and Takeda in season 3.
 
reikoiskahn said:
I'd like one, please and thank you!
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All right.

Spoiler:
After the preview, Reptile goes on to tell of how he was called to Shao Kahn's throne room the next day and assigned to Kotal's command, hand-picked by the future emperor himself. Reptile asks Kotal why he spared him that night, and Kotal reveals that it was because when he was in charge of the daily affairs of Shao Kahn's empire, he saw how useful good spies like Reptile could be, and knew that sending him into deathmatches was a waste of his talents. Reptile attempts to speak to Kotal about the loss of his family, but the Kahn ends the conversation and begins leaving the room, only to be stopped by Ferra/Torr.

Despite Kotal's objections, Ferra begins telling of how she and Torr met the emperor. Many years ago, they were attacked by Tarkatans, separated and captured. Kotal Kahn arrived to save the day, however, freeing the two and eating the Tarkatans with them that same night. Kotal voices his appreciation of these testaments of loyalty, but still wishes his followers to leave him to his own fate. Kotal brings up how they continued to follow Shao Kahn even as he foolishly tried to merge Earthrealm, and demands the same respect. D'Vorah, however, replies that she never respected Shao Kahn, just as the Kytinn as a whole never respected any leaders.

Ages ago, on the Aryek Islands, the Kytinn did little besides argue amongst themselves as invasion loomed. When Shao Kahn, Goro, and Reiko arrived, the elders all fled... while D'Vorah stayed. Shao Kahn asked why D'Vorah did not flee like the others and wondered if she was their queen, to which she replied that she was just his servant as she bowed to him. Shao Kahn proceeded to enslave all of the Kytinn, except for D'Vorah, who served him even as she waited for an opportunity to present itself. When Shao Kahn was finally slain, however, D'Vorah found herself with nowhere else to go, and proceeded to pledge loyalty to Mileena... even as Mileena humiliated her. D'Vorah was hesitant to stand with Kotal against the empress, but when Reptile took a hit from Mileena in protecting Kotal, D'Vorah realized a simple fact: whereas Shao Kahn and Mileena ruled with fear, Kotal Kahn leads with respects, and that is why he is the only leader she has ever respected.

Kotal is visibly touched, but counters that his sacrificing his life in battle against the Shokan will be leading with respect; regardless, he finds that Reptile, Ferra/Torr, and D'Vorah have fought like Osh-Tekk, and his father would be proud. Just then, the entire palace begins to rumble, only to abruptly stop. Kotal and D'Vorah speculate that it could have just been an earthquake or the Oni Warlords... as more of the room begins to crumble apart, revealing Kano, Tremor, Jarek, and Tasia have entered the building. Kano then announces that the cavalry has arrived to save Kotal and his forces!
 
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The comics are obviously canon, but when there are some inconsistencies, we should just replace the comics inconsistencies with the game facts and leave the rest of the comics intact. That would be the most reasonable way and would make the whole story more complete.
 
Harpoon said:
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Shao Kahn proceeded to enslave all of the Kytinn, except for D'Vorah, who served him even as she waited for an opportunity to present itself.
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Oh? That is literally word-for-word in Tanya's original TL bios. They actually completely erased Tanya's original timeline purpose. This is funny but annoying.
At least Tanya has a cause now.
 
Harpoon said:
Yeah, Kittelsen's confirmed that when this chapter was drawn, they didn't have access to the final script for the scene where Mileena's overthrown.

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You said earlier that the bit with Reptile saving Kotal's life seems to have been cut from the game, and I agree. It seems like too big a thing for Kittelsen to just make up wholesale and throw into an existing scene that he hasn't even seen with his own eyes.

Makes you wonder what other scenes were written but never animated. Could Kenshi meeting and helping Scorpion have been another? It would certainly explain why Kittelsen still hasn't had his way with that aspect of Scorpion's backstory, 20 issues into the comic.

More scenes with Fujin, to provide some context for his vanishing act? Oh boy, this has certainly opened up one heck of a rabbit hole.
 
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