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MK9's problem is that it ties into Armageddon. So while NRS is trying to reboot the series, they are running into problems by retconning this and that, yet keeping the old timeline connected in a way.
 
I'm pretty sure the old timeline is no longer relevant since the timeline has changed. If you changed one thing then it causes a new timeline to be born. Shao Kahn may be dead, but Armageddon can still happen in the new timeline since Blaze and the Pyramid still exist. Raiden never got any visions of Blaze in MK9. Blaze is still out there and it won't surprise me if Raiden kills him off similar what he did to Motaro.
 
It's not connected, though.
The very moment that the messages go back in time, the series is rebooted.
That just seemed more of a "Here's something for the fans that have been with us for the last 8 games" type of nod.
NRS didn't HAVE to explain Armageddon in the MK9 intro.
They could have started MK9 from the MK1 part, without the whole visions thing, and people would have understood that it was rebooted by the tournament dialogue.
The reason that Armageddon was even in the MK9 intro, to begin with, was to explain how this new MK was skewing into a different timeline.
 
Correct me i`m wrong,but my mind goes like this,if Mythologies is cannon,its a regular time travelling.If not,its a parallel universe kind of thing,or just a simple reboot.

Its probably just a simple reboot,but it would cool to see some crossover in the timelines.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
It's not connected, though.
The very moment that the messages go back in time, the series is rebooted.
That just seemed more of a "Here's something for the fans that have been with us for the last 8 games" type of nod.
NRS didn't HAVE to explain Armageddon in the MK9 intro.
They could have started MK9 from the MK1 part, without the whole visions thing, and people would have understood that it was rebooted by the tournament dialogue.
The reason that Armageddon was even in the MK9 intro, to begin with, was to explain how this new MK was skewing into a different timeline.
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The fact that the game literally begins during the events of Armageddon is enough to say that they are connected. The fact that Raiden's amulet was shattered throughout the game informing Raiden that Armageddon would still happen, shows that the games are still connected. The fact that Raiden has memory of this past timeline shows that the games are still connected. If the original timeline ceased to exist, Raiden wouldn't even be able to remember the message sent back to himself, or the images or why he did what he did during MK9. Seems like we're in a situation where both timelines exist parallel to each other.
 
MK9 is a continuation of Armageddon.
The fact that Raiden even receives messages at all is proof that the old timeline is still relevant.
 
You guys are debating over the cliched "how is this ____ if ____ went back in time to change ___" topic. At this rate, just go on one of those scientific sides of the Internet and see what they have to say about the paradoxes and what not. This has happened in like literally every story where time travel is involved.
 
creative name said:
You guys are debating over the cliched "how is this ____ if ____ went back in time to change ___" topic. At this rate, just go on one of those scientific sides of the Internet and see what they have to say about the paradoxes and what not. This has happened in like literally every story where time travel is involved.
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It's really not difficult though in regards to MK9. If something never existed in the first place, there can be no memory or acknowledgment of it. If the old timeline is wiped from existence due to Raiden's "time travel", Raiden would have never been able to prevent Armageddon as he wouldn't know what his mission was in the first place due to the old timeline no longer existing.

By the end of the game, Raiden still remembers Armageddon. He still remembers brief images of what is to come if things weren't changed. That alone says we are currently in a universe that is a copy of the one that the original timeline took place in. The original story still exists and I would love to see a God-like Shao Kahn reach across time and space to punish Raiden for his actions.

The problem I have with MK9 is that they retconned some of the lore and now it doesn't mirror the original timeline. They were better off just rebooting the entire thing with no connection to the past games.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
It's really not difficult though in regards to MK9. If something never existed in the first place, there can be no memory or acknowledgment of it. If the old timeline is wiped from existence due to Raiden's "time travel", Raiden would have never been able to prevent Armageddon as he wouldn't know what his mission was in the first place due to the old timeline no longer existing.
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Not really.
Alternate timeline =/= same timeline, as Back To The Future II has shown.
MK1 thru MK: A = original timeline.
MK9 = Timeline A, as Doc explained in BTTF II.
In MK9 the time continuum was disrupted, causing a split into a new timeline (1:15 mark of the video explains what I mean better).




Raiden's reality is strange to him, while being normal to everyone else.
He's in an alternate timeline.
The signs are obvious.


Ricochetmatt said:
By the end of the game, Raiden still remembers Armageddon. He still remembers brief images of what is to come if things weren't changed. That alone says we are currently in a universe that is a copy of the one that the original timeline took place in. The original story still exists and I would love to see a God-like Shao Kahn reach across time and space to punish Raiden for his actions.
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He remembers events from a former self (aka another life), similar to how some people have the belief of reincarnation, but that doesn't mean that the 2 are connected.



Ricochetmatt said:
The problem I have with MK9 is that they retconned some of the lore and now it doesn't mirror the original timeline. They were better off just rebooting the entire thing with no connection to the past games.
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That's because it's not PART of the original timeline.
 
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Araknyd_Commander said:
No. The old timeline becomes irrelevant when everything goes back in time and resets, thus creating a new timeline.
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Uh... I agree it becomes irrelevant,

But it's still canon bro lol.

All that shit still happened... Otherwise Liu Kang would be alive right now. He's dead because everything before the Armageddon STILL HAPPENED.

MK9's entire plot, exists because of previous canon.

Yes everyone's EFFORTS become irrelevant. But the process of which the story came to, is still canon.


Also about time travel Araknyd... You can't just use another story in this case a movie's explanation of time travel as if it's 100% true for Mortal Kombat.

There are multiple theories and possibilities of what would happen if time travel were possible.

when you go back in time can you grab yourself, and go back in time again and again and create an army of yourself? Or would that wipe out time?

Maybe each time you time travel and change something, THEN a new timeline starts.

Maybe when you go back and change, your previous time ceases to exist and is replaced by the new time line. AS in you can't go forward, only backward.

What if you go back in time, and you're just back in time in your younger body.


You can't just nilly willy say for sure how MK's time travel even worked.
 
Honestly this is just my opinion but this whole argument is completely irrelevant and undecidable because it wholly depends on NRS' clarification which is 95% never going to happen.
 
Taj Gill said:
Honestly this is just my opinion but this whole argument is completely irrelevant and undecidable because it wholly depends on NRS' clarification which is 95% never going to happen.
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Retcons are only legit when John Vogel says they're legit.

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I'm on the side that says the original timeline is still canon. The ONLY reason people are saying it isn't is because NRS got lazy and changed things that Raiden didn't affect.

The fact that he sees these old timeline visions proves that the old timeline is still in tact and as a result MYTHOLOGIES is still in tact.

The only reason this is even being argued is because of that shitty soulnado theory.

Just let it be a new Sub-Zero and call it a day damn. It makes no sense to bring Bi-Han back as Sub-Zero. End of story.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
Retcons are only legit when John Vogel says they're legit.

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Like I said, it's all in likely never going to be addressed, so taking a stance is your own belief and it will absolutely never be fact until it is addressed. Which is why I find this debate pointless.
 
But didn't one of Boon's own Troll Tweets intended to "confirm" Tanya and Sareena also "confirm" that the MKX Sub-Zero is NOT Bi-Han due to Noob Saibot being in that Tweet?

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But didn't one of Boon's own Troll Tweets intended to "confirm" Tanya and Sareena also "confirm" that the MKX Sub-Zero is NOT Bi-Han due to Noob Saibot being in that Tweet?

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That wasn't even a "confirmation" tweet. He literally just posted a picture of Tanya and Sareena together.
 
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