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so while everyone seems to be talking about the timeline, i was wondering something about Quan Chi.

in the original timeline was he there during the events of MK 1-3? i dont remember them ever saying he was. so why is he there in the new timeline?
 
so while everyone seems to be talking about the timeline, i was wondering something about Quan Chi.

in the original timeline was he there during the events of MK 1-3? i dont remember them ever saying he was. so why is he there in the new timeline?
Well, he did make his debut on an episode of DotR, which was an MK Saturday morning cartoon produced by Threshold Entertainment (which also produced the MK movies) that aired for one season, and that one season was around the time Trilogy and the 16-bit ports of UMK3 were released.

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so while everyone seems to be talking about the timeline, i was wondering something about Quan Chi.

in the original timeline was he there during the events of MK 1-3? i dont remember them ever saying he was. so why is he there in the new timeline?

Well, this is part of the whole "let's change stuff that didn't need to be changed" attitude they ran with in MK 9. Nightwolf wasn't supposed to be there too, if I recall correctly. Wasn't he called specifically for MK3? Speaking of it, there are a number of events that happened during the MK3 Earthrealm invasion which are shown around MK II time in MK 9. I've been playing the story mode all over again and while I love the new MK, I must say that I don't get all the changes to the original story. One thing is to reboot a series; another is to make people understand that one of your characters (Raiden) is going back in time and changing certain aspects of that timeline. In the second case, I'm inclined to believe that most things should be just like they were in first place, with Raiden changing some specific scenes (like Smoke being saved but Sub-Zero being turned into a cyborg). The rest is just a bunch of stuff that were changed for no good reason, really.
 
Well, he did make his debut on an episode of DotR, which was an MK Saturday morning cartoon produced by Threshold Entertainment (which also produced the MK movies) that aired for one season, and that one season was around the time Trilogy and the 16-bit ports of UMK3 were released.

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ohh alright....was Defenders of The Realm canon?
 
in the original timeline was he there during the events of MK 1-3? i dont remember them ever saying he was. so why is he there in the new timeline?

Quan Chi and Shinnok were waiting for Shao Kahn's invasion to fail so they can star their Netherrealm invasion. They were working in the Shadows while Shao Kahn was trying to take over Earth Realm in the original timeline during the events of MK 1 - MK3/UMK3/MKT
 
ohh alright....was Defenders of The Realm canon?
Regardless of whether Threshold's shit is canon, Quan Chi still played a role in the original timeline version of MK1-3, particularly from behind the scenes.

Mythologies is a prequel to MK1, and we all know he played a major role in THAT. Scorpion's very existence as a specter has Quan Chi's fingerprints all over it, as does Noob Saibot's existence as a wraith. Both of them are in MK1-3 (in fact, it can be argued that Quan Chi manipulated both men into killing each other). Quan Chi was also an accessory to Sindel's resurrection, which was what started the main plot of MK3.

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Quan Chi still played a role in the original timeline version of MK1-3, particularly from behind the scenes

yeah but if im not mistaken, his role in the new timeline was no longer from "behind the scenes" . didn't he fight IN the tournament in the new timeline?

im still thinking people overlook Quan Chi's role in MK9.
 
Yeah, it was a bit of an oversight to have Kung Lao fight Shang and Chi.
Though if that never would have happened, we never would have gotten the golden "No Earthrealm boy can stop this deadly alliance" line :laugh:


Also remember at the end of Shaolin Monks, it showed Quan Chi lurking around after Kahn's death.
 
Yeah, it was a bit of an oversight to have Kung Lao fight Shang and Chi.
Though if that never would have happened, we never would have gotten the golden "No Earthrealm boy can stop this deadly alliance" line :laugh:

lol thats one of my favorite lines from the game. same thing with sub zeros ending.

Also remember at the end of Shaolin Monks, it showed Quan Chi lurking around after Kahn's death.

i completely forgot about that. i need Shaolin Monks 2
 
There was no rhyme or reason for that Quan Chi cameo...especially when he picked up from Shao Kahn's remains something he already had in his possession according to the official story. Then again, Shaolin Monks is littered with so many inconsistencies that it shouldn't even be recognized as canon (which makes it irritating that certain elements from that story, such as Kung Lao's presence at the tournament during MK1, still carried over to the official story).

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Shaolin Monks is consider to be not canon to anything though. Quan Chi could be in the new MK1-MK3 timeline since maybe Shinnok may have saw Raiden's visions. Shinnok is one of the very few people that didn't die in Armageddon next to Shao Kahn, Lui Kang's ghost and possibly Taven from what I can remember.
 
Last night I had a dream I was at a behind closed doors event with Ed and a dozen other journalists where he showed us the next two characters. One was Ermac and the other was either Tanya or a new female that looked similar. I sat right next to Ed and we were trying to get the monitor running. There was a trailer reveal. And there was a chick serving people eggs and bacon. Was pretty sweet.
 
Quan Chi was in MK9 because of one reason that [MENTION=4889]BBBLP[/MENTION] summed up nicely.

"Because, Video Game".
 
But it's still canon bro lol.

All that shit still happened... Otherwise Liu Kang would be alive right now. He's dead because everything before the Armageddon STILL HAPPENED.

MK9's entire plot, exists because of previous canon.

Yes everyone's EFFORTS become irrelevant. But the process of which the story came to, is still canon.


Also about time travel Araknyd... You can't just use another story in this case a movie's explanation of time travel as if it's 100% true for Mortal Kombat.

There are multiple theories and possibilities of what would happen if time travel were possible.

when you go back in time can you grab yourself, and go back in time again and again and create an army of yourself? Or would that wipe out time?

Maybe each time you time travel and change something, THEN a new timeline starts.

Maybe when you go back and change, your previous time ceases to exist and is replaced by the new time line. AS in you can't go forward, only backward.

What if you go back in time, and you're just back in time in your younger body.


You can't just nilly willy say for sure how MK's time travel even worked.


It's not canon, bro.

All that shit happened in another timeline (the original one), not the MK9 one.

MK9's plot showed how this new timeline had skewed.
Notice how Raiden couldn't forsee Sub-Zero being captured by the Lin Kuei due to saving Smoke, or how he couldn't forsee Sindel killing everyone in the cathedral.
Why? Because as science-fiction time travel (in BTTF more specifically) explains, that old memory that was changed has been erased and replaced by a new / present time memory.

The process by which the story came to and end, was a greatly varied path.



As for time travel, Critical, MK9's plot of Raiden having "visions" is exactly the same theory of time travel as Marty and Doc in Back To The Future II, where they travel back in time to what they think is THEIR 1985, but it ends up being different, and they still retain all of their memories.
Same thing with Raiden.
He travels back into an alternate time, retaining all his memories from a future from another timeline.

Agreed, but I'm pointing out the most likely time travel theory, given the similarities.

According to BTTF's time travel theory, when you go back in time 1 of 2 things would happen if you see your past or future self:
1) Seeing yourself years in the future or past would put you into shock and you'd simply pass out.
2) The encounter could create a time paradox. The results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe.

According to MK9, when things change in MK9, Raiden cannot forsee those new events.

It seems like with MK9, the old timeline exists, but separately and wholly from the new timeline, meaning that since the timeline seems to have split, Shao Kahn's only hopes of stopping Raiden in the new timeline are either MK9 Shao Kahn coming back to life or old timeline Shao Kahn interfering with Raiden (during that Armagennon scene), before Dark Raiden's "He must win" prayer / message that he sends is complete.
He cannot simply reach across timelines.

The younger self (from the movie BIG) timeline theory is irrelevant with Raiden as he is an immortal being that does not age, as well as the fact that he is a God.




The fact that he sees these old timeline visions proves that the old timeline is still in tact and as a result MYTHOLOGIES is still in tact.

The only reason this is even being argued is because of that shitty soulnado theory.

Just let it be a new Sub-Zero and call it a day damn. It makes no sense to bring Bi-Han back as Sub-Zero. End of story.


Not really.
It could also prove that he time traveled into an altered past past and has retained future memories.

Whether or not the whole shitty Mythologies / Sub-Zero helping Quan Chi and Shinnok is true or not for this new timeline, MK9 Bi-Han Sub-Zero previously stopped the NetherRealm armies of Quan Chi and Shhinnok.
Just because YOU don't like the Soulnado theory, doesn't mean it's shitty.
For someone who complains that my Soulnado theory is shitty, I have yet to see you come up with anything better for your defense of Kuai.

I've stated various times that a NEW Sub-Zero would also be a welcome (a son or student of 1 of the 2 brothers), but you continue to shit on my theory, with no other valid debate or reason, just "Waaaah, it sucks."
 
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yeah but if im not mistaken, his role in the new timeline was no longer from "behind the scenes" . didn't he fight IN the tournament in the new timeline?

im still thinking people overlook Quan Chi's role in MK9.

I'm assuming they simply couldn't resist throwing Mr. Chi in there just like the rest of the out of place characters. Like Baraka in the first tournament along with Kitana and Jade. There's more I'm sure.
 
@Araknyd

No I have argued why that theory sucks ass numerous times and I'm not going to do it again. It's neither here nor there and I don't want to derail this thread.

I notice you HAD to bring up Kuai though. I'm not even going to argue for him, I'll just say that Quan Chi has indeed altered appearances/given new bodies. Scorpion, Noob Saibot, Sareena, Kia, Jataaka are all examples of him bringing back the dead and morphing their appearance.

That makes more sense to me than the soulnado. Like I said it could be a completely new one though(in fact I am leaning toward wanting that now). That shit with the soulnado just does not add up though for numerous reasons that I and a couple others have stated.

Plus Noob Saibot is a good character too. No need to ruin him by taking what makes him a good character away.
 
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