Mortal Kombat 11 General Discussion Media Thread

[Xenon]

That still wouldn't cut anything. It would just make it uncomfortable, and also crumble on hit.

 

[BBBLP]

She turns blood solid. You can see it in her fatality

 

[Xenon]

And? That still wouldn't do didley dick. That's the point, nothing about MK makes sense and that's why I love it.

 

[BBBLP]

I mean it's magic. It doesn't need to make sense

 

[Xenon]

That's exactly what I've been saying.

 

[Misucra]

She turns blood solid. You can see it in her fatality

Most likely the very force she uses to interact with blood (seeing as she can manipulate it down to molecular level), influences blood in some way. Probrably the force hardens the blood itself to the point it becomes as strong as steel (like Subzero freezes water in the air).

EDIT: Yah pretty much the only explanation I could find. After digging through some books, I remembered that water turns to ice, when molecules lose their energy. So if Skarlet can manipulate blood down to molecular level, she can simply drain energy from blood molecules and vuolia. She is basically Bloody Sub Zero.

 

[Xenon]

It'd be sorta cool if somehow Skarlet uses Sub-Zero Cryomancer powers. But no, it's not as simple as just "losing energy", it has to do with temperature. Keep reading.

 

[Misucra]

It'd be sorta cool if somehow Skarlet uses Sub-Zero Cryomancer powers. But no, it's not as simple as just "losing energy", it has to do with temperature. Keep reading.

Likewise. That's why I mentioned "the force" she uses to interact with Blood. That's the key part. This is the thing that allows Sub Zero and Skarlet shape liquids, no matter what temperature it is.

 

[Xenon]

Sub-Zero uses "the force" called temperature...I mean it's not that hard to figure out why water turns into ice. Skarlet showed no such abilities, however I do find it interesting how she was talking about Cryomancers before. Who knows?

 

[Commander]

So basically they're going to create a Triborg V2 then. No thanks.

Just a fan theory I heard about, but we've already had some 4-in-1 Taco Bell / Pizza Hut / KFC characters in 2 games with Triborg and TMNT.
Doesn't seem like too crazy of a notion for them to implement that type of character again.
I suspect that other fans would share your sentiment if it was the 3 that I used in that example, though.

 

[Guyver Spawn]

Korba would have been a cool character if he had a better design and gameplay. I like his backstory, I feel like he turns out poorly in the end. He could also work as a dark parody of Ken and the SF series in general as well.

 

[BBBLP]

I don't think Chameleon should replace anybody. I just think he would be an interesting character if he were able to combine the powers of the ninjas.

 

[white_ninja]

Hotaru has a very interesting design and makes for a perfect Order Realm rep. and Havik's opposite/rival. I'd personally love to see both realms and characters get re-imagined and given another chance. Next game is all about Netherrealm, it seems, but I'd love for them to explore Dream Realm (with Tremor on the main cast), Order Realm and Chaos Realm, at some point soon.

Honestly, many of the characters can easily be worked on to redeem them. The no-brainers that already have a built in fanbase include: Frost, Havik, Fujin and Reiko. Yes, Frost and Reiko are "clone characters" but that's only because of NRS' lack of creativity at the time. A lot can be done with these characters to make their powers unique and their looks differentiated. Also, they took two generic characters, Skarlet and Tremor, and gave them both interesting powers (and three variations!), unique looks and, for Tremor, an interesting story (we don't have Skarlet's yet).

I don't see why the same cannot be done for many of these characters:

Kai: Ignore Armageddon redesign. Character can have a handstand variation, white tiger variation and a new, unique variation. NO FIREBALLS! There was a re-design already in the process for Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, if people are curious.
Drahmin and Moloch: Tag-team. Why not? They're semi-interesting design-wise (at least, Drahmin is) and they make for cool jobbers, at least.
Ashrah: Really, really cool concept but her design and move set was uninspired. They could do a lot with a Netherrealm demon variation, slayer variation and voodoo variation.
Onaga: Most fans want to see him return. He was an intimidating boss, that's for sure.

and if they're ever worried they're running out of palette swap ninjas, they still have Chameleon and Khameleon left to redesign for those 2-3 people that want them...

I get your point and I know that they can revamp existing characters as mentioned above (Bo Rai Cho by me and Tremor or Skarlet by you). But I have the feeling they got better at creating new fighters so I'd rather see new ones over the 3D era characters mentioned by you.

Since MK11 won't be about all the realms (again) there is no necessity to revamp Hotaru etc.

 

[Misucra]

Sub-Zero uses "the force" called temperature...I mean it's not that hard to figure out why water turns into ice. Skarlet showed no such abilities, however I do find it interesting how she was talking about Cryomancers before. Who knows?

So he uses "temperature" to liquify his body or move from one place to another while using ice as a portal. Ok

While I bet temperature has something to do with it, conventional wisdom of Physics, say that such things would require a very sophisticated system.

Both Skarlet and Sub Zero show similar abilities though. Both can manipulate their respective elements down to molecular level. They can use it to transport themselves, meaning that they can liquify themselves by changing the structure of their body. And both can only use it, if element is in their vicinity. Sub Zero is easy as most places he goes, there is always water. Be it in liquid form or air.
Skarlet eithers uses her own blood or her opponent's (or corpse for that matter).

There is definitely more going than just manipulation of temperature.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

I don't know if that's possible to do with 26 characters in just ~3 hours though, and still tell a halfway compelling story. I think some characters getting Kung Lao'd is pretty inevitable. It's just a question of who gets that treatment this time around.

I can understand why people might want Kabal specifically to get a chance to shine... but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

Me neither. But I think if he completed a role like in MK9, that would be fine. MKX Kung Lao was absolutely useless.

He looked infinitely better than Fujin's render in MKX. But he did look worse than Raiden, similar to how MKX Fujin looked worse than MKX Raiden. Maybe that's what you meant to say?

As for having no head, that's like saying "Shinnok can't be playable in MKX because he's locked in the Netherrealm." They can figure that shit out in the story. Just get some super glue and problem solved.

I don't think he makes the launch roster. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him as DLC.

Bring back the evil grandpa!!

You guys talk about the negatives about characters looking like Earthrealmers (Skarlet) but yet they made other characters move away from that look. Shao Kahn no longer looks like just a big human.

Still wondering what the hell is going on with him.

Hotaru has a very interesting design and makes for a perfect Order Realm rep. and Havik's opposite/rival. I'd personally love to see both realms and characters get re-imagined and given another chance. Next game is all about Netherrealm, it seems, but I'd love for them to explore Dream Realm (with Tremor on the main cast), Order Realm and Chaos Realm, at some point soon.

Honestly, many of the characters can easily be worked on to redeem them. The no-brainers that already have a built in fanbase include: Frost, Havik, Fujin and Reiko. Yes, Frost and Reiko are "clone characters" but that's only because of NRS' lack of creativity at the time. A lot can be done with these characters to make their powers unique and their looks differentiated. Also, they took two generic characters, Skarlet and Tremor, and gave them both interesting powers (and three variations!), unique looks and, for Tremor, an interesting story (we don't have Skarlet's yet).

I don't see why the same cannot be done for many of these characters:

Kai: Ignore Armageddon redesign. Character can have a handstand variation, white tiger variation and a new, unique variation. NO FIREBALLS! There was a re-design already in the process for Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, if people are curious.
Drahmin and Moloch: Tag-team. Why not? They're semi-interesting design-wise (at least, Drahmin is) and they make for cool jobbers, at least.
Ashrah: Really, really cool concept but her design and move set was uninspired. They could do a lot with a Netherrealm demon variation, slayer variation and voodoo variation.
Onaga: Most fans want to see him return. He was an intimidating boss, that's for sure.

and if they're ever worried they're running out of palette swap ninjas, they still have Chameleon and Khameleon left to redesign for those 2-3 people that want them...

Absolutely agree. Onaga should be back and redeemed same way Shinnok was.

Now, I'm glad you mentioned characters like Ashrah, she's absolutely same level of Skarlet for me, her move set that wasn't that inspiring. Also, she had a rivalry with Ermac and Nitara, not to mention her deep relation with Netherrealm, more and more explored every game.

Hotaru is also a very nice character, he should totally be considered again. He may not be a protagonist, but he's surely a worthy general. Even in Deception where he was Onaga's buddy he didn't have enough recognition. Character like Dairou and Darrius could easily go on Hotaru's vibe, but wouldn't be missed if unplayable (like Sareena's cameo).

No MK character is beyond saving IMO. The only problem is that they keepa hard core of characters that exclude others. And let's speak the truth, NRS is investing heavily in content, they are absolutely capable of turning any Mavado into a glorious villain.

 

[BBBLP]

I hate MK youtubers so much. People are actually reporting on the Shaggy thing as a possibility.
"I give it a 50/50 chance, he is owned by Warner Bros."

He's also from a TV-Y7 Hana Barbara cartoon. These cats are the worst lmao

 

[Commander]

No MK character is beyond saving IMO.

Exactly how I feel, 100%.

The only problem is that they keepa hard core of characters that exclude others. And let's speak the truth, NRS is investing heavily in content, they are absolutely capable of turning any Mavado into a glorious villain.

Also another point that I've made, that some klassics can sit a game out and that they all don't have to be in, to allow a few more 3D era revamps or even 2 or 3 new MK11 characters (like Kronika, Geras and hopefully 1 more).

 

[p.W]

I get your point and I know that they can revamp existing characters as mentioned above (Bo Rai Cho by me and Tremor or Skarlet by you). But I have the feeling they got better at creating new fighters so I'd rather see new ones over the 3D era characters mentioned by you.

Since MK11 won't be about all the realms (again) there is no necessity to revamp Hotaru etc.

I think that all else being equal, it's better to revamp an old character rather than create a brand new one. Why? Because that way you're rewarding fan loyalty and emotional investment.

Take Tremor in MKX, he's basically a brand new character. Take away the mask, call him Eggbert, make him a member of the Red Dragon, and no one would even think to compare him to Tremor. But give him all those things and suddenly you're making a lot of fans very happy just as a free bonus, people who were already attached to the idea or character or toolkit of Tremor from years ago.

Key words being "all else being equal." If there's a compelling reason to add a brand new character, or trash an old one, then obviously that's the right move.

 

[Misucra]

I hate MK youtubers so much. People are actually reporting on the Shaggy thing as a possibility.
"I give it a 50/50 chance, he is owned by Warner Bros."

He's also from a TV-Y7 Hana Barbara cartoon. These cats are the worst lmao

They need to pump content, so they pick any fart made by MK11.

 

[white_ninja]

I think that all else being equal, it's better to revamp an old character rather than create a brand new one. Why? Because that way you're rewarding fan loyalty and emotional investment.

Take Tremor in MKX, he's basically a brand new character. Take away the mask, call him Eggbert, make him a member of the Red Dragon, and no one would even think to compare him to Tremor. But give him all those things and suddenly you're making a lot of fans very happy just as a free bonus, people who were already attached to the idea or character or toolkit of Tremor from years ago.

Key words being "all else being equal." If there's a compelling reason to add a brand new character, or trash an old one, then obviously that's the right move.

Nice point and I agree on Tremor or Eggbert, good example. Though you have to admit that people wanted Tremor and liked him even that his only appearance is in garbage MK SF. Talking about emotional investment. But do the same thing to Hsu Hao, Kobra, Dairou and Darrius. Those are not the characters to revamp, even if it works gameplaywise, most people would hate them. Me included because they were so bad and so boring and took away spots from beloved characters I‘ve never seen on PS2. Can’t imagine them being revamped. MKX, aside from the kids, has good newbies with Kotal, D‘Vorah, Erron Black and even Ferra.

I could agree on Ashrah or even Nitara though. Onaga is cool and needs to appear too. Maybe he will appear in MK11, we don’t need to now everything before release after all...