MKX Video Analyzing/Speculating

Subz 711 said:
Did I say Big in one of my sentences? I didn't notice if I did, or did you just make a stupid nickname like Big Han for him?

I used the MKvsDC one, but there's plenty more evidence up there. No, I checked my facts. Sub-Zero killed Scorpion who was a human in life btw. Wow, what a dick. A guy who can use Ice killing someone who has now powers.

Scorpion sure did come back and burned that little arse up once he was on equal ground though didn't he?
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No that was the auto correct on my phone. Lol
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
There was nothing wrong with the story when I was sliding dead presidents into arcade cabinets as a teenager. Care to explain how that changed about the story of those same 4 games over the last 2 decades?

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Sliding dead presidents? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

The story was not great anymore and I'm glad that they decided to change events. It was no longer about the tournament, which they totally sidelined for a story that they couldn't even properly create. Why should the most bland character win the tournament? Why should good constantly triumph over evil in ways you'd think humans wouldn't possibly do? Why should Raiden have to constantly do things right and actually have it stick? All those events happened, and my god, it wasn't fun constantly knowing Liu Kang and the good guys constantly won every single time.

It needed a change. And this change finally did something we all did not expect.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
If it contradicts the gospel of Tobias, it's not canon, because Tobias is the TRUE kreator of MK.

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That is a terribly flawed logic. There are plenty of examples that contradict that point of view. Here's two I'm sure you'll be familiar with:

- Dan Harmon leaving Community; the following seasons are still considered canon. Even by him.
- George Lucas retiring from Star Wars; the upcoming trilogy will be canon.

Until Tobias himself denies the stories following his departure, they're canon. End of story.

Also, yes, I lost any and all interest in MK's story after MK4 because of how ridiculous and unfocused it was. MK9 was the best thing to happen to the series. It refocused the story, gave some of the characters actual depth, and took it in a new direction. Technically, the original storyline is still canon too, because you can't tell the story of the new timeline without telling the original and why Raiden altered it.

And do you really think Boon and Tobias don't talk? They're still friends, and I'm sure ideas are tossed back and forth between the two, and I'm sure there are times when Boon even goes to Tobias for opinion and/or approval. It's not like Tobias shunned MK. Hell, he even did the collector's art for MK vs DC Universe. I'm sure he wouldn't have agreed to that if he wasn't so against the story, which you're acting like.

Your really being nonsensical about the whole thing.
 
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Subz 711 said:
You do know I've pointed out that Sub-Zero is just as strong as Bi-Han right?

Kuai Liang fought off Cyrax and Sektor with a weakened Smoke. Kuai Liang fought and defeated Sektor to take back the Lin Kuei. Quan Chi mentions how powerful Kuai is in MK4. Noob Saibot himself mentions how strong Kuai is in his bio for deception. Noob proves this by never wanting to fight Sub-Zero face to face. Bi-Han always ambushes kuai liang or uses Smoke to help him (who's the pansy?). In MKvsDC Raiden mentions that Kuai is certainly stronger than his brother (though non-canon you know Boon put that there for a reason). Then in Mk9 Kuai Liang beat Scorpion while Bi-Han couldn't. Finally, Sub-Zero beats Noob Saibot 1 on 1 in MK9.

Face it Kuai is just as strong as Bi-Han. You just like him because he's evil, and for some reason evil = better for some of you.
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Nothing that happened other than MK9's story is canon. Stryker beat Kintaro and Ermac...that's ridiculous enough. The fights in story mode are clearly no indication of who is stronger than the other. They just chose to progress the story like that.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
Then why do you support changing the story of the first 3 if you think they were the best?!

That makes as much sense as Jerry Sandusky teaching Kindergarten! If you think the first three were the best, then that means you think the original story of those first three is the best version. It's not rocket science.

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MK9 didn't drastically change the story MK 1-3 so much that it became unrecognizable. The only BIG change was the how the events of game three ended. Sindel wrecking shit up, Kang dying, Kahn winning and then being called out by the Gods... That's pretty much it. Everything else was just a more detailed retelling of the classic story. They changed it enough so that they can move forward in a new direction and forget all about MK4 - Armageddon.

It's a smart move. Everything post-MK3 is pretty much recognized as crap from the fan base. And rightfully so. The series had lost it's way.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
MK9 didn't drastically change the story MK 1-3 so much that it became unrecognizable. The only BIG change was the how the events of game three ended. Sindel wrecking shit up, Kang dying, Kahn winning and then being called out by the Gods... That's pretty much it. Everything else was just a more detailed retelling of the classic story. They changed it enough so that they can move forward in a new direction and forget all about MK4 - Armageddon.

It's a smart move. Everything post-MK3 is pretty much recognized as crap from the fan base. And rightfully so. The series had lost it's way.
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Then why change the outcome of the first 3? Why not reboot from MK4 onwards while leaving 1-3 alone instead?

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Tarkatan Trash said:
Then why change the outcome of the first 3? Why not reboot from MK4 onwards instead?

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Because you can't reboot 4-Armageddon with giving reason to the alterations and setting them up, which MK9 did. They're trying to appeal to a larger audience, so if they just started off at MK4, the non-lifelong-hardcore fans would be so confused, they'd likely never buy another game. That would mean bad sales, which means no more MK.

Business logic.
 
Ryan Smith said:
Technically, the original storyline is still canon too, because you can't tell the story of the new timeline without telling the original and why Raiden altered it.
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Raiden saw the original timeline. Now it has been changed. It doesn't exist anymore. It would be just like if you time traveled backwards and then tried to return to your original time. You can't because the fact that you went back has altered it into something different. The original timeline doesn't exist anymore only the current one because that's the one you return to. The original timeline is gone. Only the memory remains.
 
glammetal said:
Raiden saw the original timeline. Now it has been changed. It doesn't exist anymore. It would be just like if you time traveled backwards and then tried to return to your original time. You can't because the fact that you went back has altered it into something different. The original timeline doesn't exist anymore only the current one because that's the one you return to. The original timeline is gone. Only the memory remains.
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You're being way too literal about it. It's a video game story.
 
glammetal said:
Raiden saw the original timeline. Now it has been changed. It doesn't exist anymore. It would be just like if you time traveled backwards and then tried to return to your original time. You can't because the fact that you went back has altered it into something different. The original timeline doesn't exist anymore only the current one because that's the one you return to. The original timeline is gone. Only the memory remains.
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Who do you think you are? The NCAA Infractions Committee?

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Tarkatan Trash said:
Then why change the outcome of the first 3? Why not reboot from MK4 onwards while leaving 1-3 alone instead?

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Because this way the fans of MK4 - Armageddon aren't butt hurt over their favs being retconned out of existence. It also throws a neat little twist into the story of the classic three.
 
glammetal said:
Nothing that happened other than MK9's story is canon. Stryker beat Kintaro and Ermac...that's ridiculous enough. The fights in story mode are clearly no indication of who is stronger than the other. They just chose to progress the story like that.
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The fights aren't canon, just the story. In what way, does that make sense? Just because an ordinary human managed to somehow outfight a creation from sorcery magic, shouldn't be declared non canon, while what he did afterwards (which is meeting up with Raiden) is the only thing that is.

Ryan Smith said:
Because you can't reboot 4-Armageddon with giving reason to the alterations and setting them up, which MK9 did. They're trying to appeal to a larger audience, so if they just started off at MK4, the non-lifelong-hardcore fans would be so confused, they'd likely never buy another game. That would mean bad sales, which means no more MK.

Business logic.
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Not to mention, how exactly would you reboot Shinnok's invasion?
 
You guys just need to get used to Mr. Trash lol, anything that deviates even the slightest from the original 3 games is blasphemous in his eyes. Similarly to how Nasty Freak loves his Dominatrix/Sexual violence stuff and wants it in MK, their views will never change no matter what y'all say!
 
Kitty_55 said:
The fights aren't canon, just the story. In what way, does that make sense? Just because an ordinary human managed to somehow outfight a creation from sorcery magic, shouldn't be declared non canon, while what he did afterwards (which is meeting up with Raiden) is the only thing that is.
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I didn't say they weren't canon, only they aren't an indication of who is stronger. Sonya beats Raiden to progress the story. She is not stronger than Raiden.
 
@glammetal

Lol. Yes, they are.

Ridiculous as they may seem to you, they are now canon. Sub-Zero beat Noob Saibot 1 on 1.

It's like I argue Shujinko is no better than a chameleon character and people argue that he is one of the best in the series. My argument is the only reason he is that important is because of how they set konquest up. That still doesn't make him any less important though (as much as it hurts for me to say that).

So, whether it was a product of the story or not Kuai Liang beat Scorpion (which Bi-Han did not do), and he also beat Bi-Han.

Just admit it. He's just as good as his brother.
 
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