MK movie update/MK Legacy discussion
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they JUST had it on there.
xkSongblindedxk
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Can't find a link either, wanna see this.
Taj Gill
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After watching the Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) v. Scorpion Teaser clip, from the actual Machinima stream, here's what I have to say about it:
The costume for Sub-Zero is dreadful, like really? Paintball gear basically as stated before. Scorpion looks alright, same outfit as Season 1, but faded yellow and burnt due to hellspawn/spectre form.
Scorpion's voice sounds very similar to the voice in MK9, so I'm particularly happy about that.
The fight scene overall including special effects is horrible. Clearly low budget choreography with actors who really aren't great at selling martial arts techniques. The camera angles clearly show that the impact is fake, and the movement of the actors are not fluid at all, it's as if they memorized the motions and are not making us believe this is a real fight. The way the fight was choreographed was wicked, but the actual performance of it from the actors was crap. As for the special effects, probably MK Annihilation level, which is BAD.
Overall, I'm happy with the story as it is definitely canon and is not veering from the actual MK story, and the potential of the choreography, but come on, at least make it look good, lower budget wu-shu movies have better looking fight scenes. Hell, even the first two MK Movies had better fight scenes than this. Hopefully more editing is taking place and it was not the final cut.
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The costume for Sub-Zero is dreadful, like really? Paintball gear basically as stated before. Scorpion looks alright, same outfit as Season 1, but faded yellow and burnt due to hellspawn/spectre form.
Scorpion's voice sounds very similar to the voice in MK9, so I'm particularly happy about that.
The fight scene overall including special effects is horrible. Clearly low budget choreography with actors who really aren't great at selling martial arts techniques. The camera angles clearly show that the impact is fake, and the movement of the actors are not fluid at all, it's as if they memorized the motions and are not making us believe this is a real fight. The way the fight was choreographed was wicked, but the actual performance of it from the actors was crap. As for the special effects, probably MK Annihilation level, which is BAD.
Overall, I'm happy with the story as it is definitely canon and is not veering from the actual MK story, and the potential of the choreography, but come on, at least make it look good, lower budget wu-shu movies have better looking fight scenes. Hell, even the first two MK Movies had better fight scenes than this. Hopefully more editing is taking place and it was not the final cut.
What do you guys think of Michael Weatherly as Johnny Cage if Casper doesn't return for the film?
His character seems very much like Johnny Cage and he looks the part as well.
Photo: http://us.cdn003.fansshare.com/phot...chael-weatherly-sunglasses-ncis-421871478.jpg
His character seems very much like Johnny Cage and he looks the part as well.
Photo: http://us.cdn003.fansshare.com/phot...chael-weatherly-sunglasses-ncis-421871478.jpg
Nasty_Freak
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I'd rather have Ryan Reynolds. But that (^) dude's ok.
pgd42
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Pretty much agree with you entirely. The fighting just doesn't seem legit. I can forgive special effects cause its obviously very low budget but they down graded with the fight scenes.
Gouki
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Either him or Chris Evans as Johnny Cage.
I mean, his portrayal as Johnny 'Storm' in FF(yea horrible movie) but that is pretty much your Johnny 'Cage' right there.
Commander
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I'll reply to this part since it seems that this is what we basically disagree on.
The big point in my previous post was that the "ninja" characters in previous games were ninjas due to memory limitations in 1995, so it was easier for Midway to make them all ninjas.
In MK9, that was NOT the case.
The only 3 characters that were given the "ninja" affiliation with along with appearance, in MK9 were Sub-Zero, Scorpion and Smoke.
Noob Saibot, Ermac, Reptile and Rain were NOT ninjas in MK9.
Story is a HUGE variable on whether or not a character is in a game.
Regardless of how much you feel that story isn't important in a fighting game, it would also feel weird as hell if Sub-Zero or any of the dead characters from MK9 came back, without a proper explanation.
MK9 clearly explained that they are not all ninjas.
Just because they have klassic MK1, MK2 and MK3 ninja costumes, doesn't mean that they're "ninjas" in MK9.
The klassic costumes were more of a fan-fare thing that NRS did for people that love those nostalgic costumes.
Really?
Do Ermac, Retile, Noob Saibot and Rain look the same to you?
Just because they have their face covered in MK9, doesn't automatically make them a "ninja," which is the point that you're missing.
Ermac is a possessed warrior with thousands of warriors souls inside 1 body.
Reptile comes from a Sauran race that went extinct.
Noob Saibot is a Netherrealm Wraith infused with Bi-Han when he died.
Rain is the son of Argus (a god), and considered to be the protector of Edenia, and he comes from a royal family, which is why he is dressed like a prince in MK9.
If you really want to get technical, Smoke isn't a "ninja" either.
He's an enera (demon or monster made of smoke).
My point is that Tremor could come to MK10, and not be a ninja, just the same way that Ermac, Reptile, Noob Saibot and Rain aren't ninjas in MK9.
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Gouki
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For the sake of time and space...
No, they are ALL ninja characters. They all fall under "Ninja char" category everywhere you look.
A enera, saurian, and a wraith are all species...not an occupation(such as a Ninja...which is what they all are still regarded as...Ninja Chars.
Tremor will most likely be some kind of ninja looking character because he is one.
No, they are ALL ninja characters. They all fall under "Ninja char" category everywhere you look.
A enera, saurian, and a wraith are all species...not an occupation(such as a Ninja...which is what they all are still regarded as...Ninja Chars.
Tremor will most likely be some kind of ninja looking character because he is one.
Commander
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NO.
They are not all ninja characters or "Ninja char," as you like to point out.
"Ninja" described their appearance, prior to MK9, but with the exception of Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Smoke, ninja is not their occupation.
As of MK9, the only ones who belong to ninja clans and are actual ninjas are Smoke, Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
Cyrax and Sektor also belonged to the Lin Kuei, but Sub-Zero and Smoke were the 2 only ninjas from that clan.
Ermac, Reptile, Noob Saibot and Rain are not ninjas by occupation either.
They are not all ninja characters or "Ninja char," as you like to point out.
"Ninja" described their appearance, prior to MK9, but with the exception of Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Smoke, ninja is not their occupation.
As of MK9, the only ones who belong to ninja clans and are actual ninjas are Smoke, Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
Cyrax and Sektor also belonged to the Lin Kuei, but Sub-Zero and Smoke were the 2 only ninjas from that clan.
Ermac, Reptile, Noob Saibot and Rain are not ninjas by occupation either.
Gouki
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YES they ALL are, and this is the last we are going to have of this conversation, because it is pitifully obvious they are ninja chars and always will be, until it is specifically stated otherwise, by people of note.
If YOU do not want to accept that fact, that is on you, Commander.
Either way, this conversation is over. You can stay with your opinion on the subject, it matters little to me.
so, until next we meet...
Commander
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Ermac and Reptile are Shang Tsung's henchmen - NOT NINJAS
Noob Saibot is a NetherRealm wraith and Quan Chi's henchman - NOT A NINJA
Rain is an Edenian warrior and the son of Argus - NOT A NINJA
It's not my opinion, it's FACT.
Go play MK9 again.
You have no evidence that those 5 are ninjas, and have failed to demonstrate otherwise.
MK klassic costumes don't prove anything.
Those 5 are NOT ninjas by MK9 standards.
What ISN'T fact, and solely my own personal opinion, is that KT could have been talking about Tremor for season 2 of MK:Legacy.
He's a character who MAY or MAY NOT return as a ninja.
NRS may decide NOT to give him that MK9 Vita costume for MK10.
You don't know that.
Heck, for all we know he may or may not even be in MK10.
This is all speculation for now.
There's not need to get worked up about it. :mullet:
Noob Saibot is a NetherRealm wraith and Quan Chi's henchman - NOT A NINJA
Rain is an Edenian warrior and the son of Argus - NOT A NINJA
It's not my opinion, it's FACT.
Go play MK9 again.
You have no evidence that those 5 are ninjas, and have failed to demonstrate otherwise.
MK klassic costumes don't prove anything.
Those 5 are NOT ninjas by MK9 standards.
What ISN'T fact, and solely my own personal opinion, is that KT could have been talking about Tremor for season 2 of MK:Legacy.
He's a character who MAY or MAY NOT return as a ninja.
NRS may decide NOT to give him that MK9 Vita costume for MK10.
You don't know that.
Heck, for all we know he may or may not even be in MK10.
This is all speculation for now.
There's not need to get worked up about it. :mullet:
Gouki
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Yea, I'm pretty sure I said that conversation was over. Perhaps you failed to see that...among other things. Or you chose to ignore it...among other things.
I give no shit for Tremor. He just better not take up valuable space for more Worthy editions.
Believe me, I'm as calm as a flower.
Taj Gill
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... If you guys wanna go really in depth with this, the only one that's a Ninja is Scorpion, as he belonged to the Shirai Ryu Clan of Ninjas. The Lin Kuei hate the title of being called Ninjas, they are their own entity of Assassin.
I agree with Araknyd though, the only characters that are "Masked Assassins belonging to a clan" are Sub-Zero, Noob before he was killed, Scorpion, Smoke, Cyrax and Sektor.
The others may have the appearances of Ninjas, but that is only to keep Nostalgic roots in tact due to the memory limitations of the past. Could you imagine Ermac or Rain not having masks in the 3D era? I sure as HELL would be pissed off.
I agree with Araknyd though, the only characters that are "Masked Assassins belonging to a clan" are Sub-Zero, Noob before he was killed, Scorpion, Smoke, Cyrax and Sektor.
The others may have the appearances of Ninjas, but that is only to keep Nostalgic roots in tact due to the memory limitations of the past. Could you imagine Ermac or Rain not having masks in the 3D era? I sure as HELL would be pissed off.
Commander
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No need to get saucy or throw insults.
Besides, you don't ever decide when I can and can't discuss a subject matter, so no this discussion wasn't over just because you said so.
If you have no need for Tremor, than that's good for you.
Continue being a happy flower.
Thank you, Taj.
Someone understands.
The title of a masked assassin AKA "ninja" belonged to those 3 (Scorpion, Smoke and Sub-Zero).
Cyrax and Sektor could also be classified as masked assassins, but they weren't really masked until they were robots.
They were assassins that belonged to a clan, though.
I also agree that MK1 thru MK:Trilogy ninjas were kept that way due to memory limitations, but none of their actual BIOs (aside from Scorpion, Smoke and Sub-Zero) in any of those games make them out to be masked assassins (AKA ninjas).
Gouki
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They are all still under the category of "Ninja Chars"...
Yea sub does not like to be called ninja, but the fact of the matter is, that is what he is; a ninja.
NRS still considers him one of their "ninja chars". which is MY point.
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Taj Gill
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I agree, for clarity's sake and to classify them into a category, NRS does do that.
However, for story's sake and the actual occupation of the characters themselves, aside from Scorpion and the Lin Kuei, they are not "Assassins belonging to an organized clan".
We're just on two different levels here.
Aldo Moreno
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Damn, nice info, Jorge. I didn't know about the cartage thing.
They may dress up like one but that doesn't make them a ninja. If I dress up like a thug, does that make me a thug? If I dress up like a dog, does that make me a dog? No, it doesn't
And I kind of don't even consider Sub-Zero a ninja. I consider him a master assassin with a secret identity. Plus, let's not forget the quote:
"I am not ninja. I am Lin Kuei."
But I'm just use to calling them ninjas from when I was younger.
And if you guys REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY wanna get technical, there's only one ninja in MK and that's Chameleon. Considering he was hiding through out the whole time Mortal Kombat storyline like a ninja is suppose to be, very sneaky.
They may dress up like one but that doesn't make them a ninja. If I dress up like a thug, does that make me a thug? If I dress up like a dog, does that make me a dog? No, it doesn't
And I kind of don't even consider Sub-Zero a ninja. I consider him a master assassin with a secret identity. Plus, let's not forget the quote:
"I am not ninja. I am Lin Kuei."
But I'm just use to calling them ninjas from when I was younger.
And if you guys REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY wanna get technical, there's only one ninja in MK and that's Chameleon. Considering he was hiding through out the whole time Mortal Kombat storyline like a ninja is suppose to be, very sneaky.
Gouki
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Yes I agree to that. Too bad it could not be as simple a discussion with the Commander. lol
Technically a Ninja can be solo, he does not have to belong to an organized clan.
And my original point to the commander was that I did not want another "Ninja Char" (for clarity's sake) meaning someone who will listed be under that category and resemble such in appearance.