Is Ed Boon sure he's doing the right thing?

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Red Crow said:
Tarkatan is probably trolling again, smh.

Basically what @MKShao_Kahn said, there has been many precedents where the inclusion of new characters reinvigorated a franchise. And obviously MKX will not take the drastic approach of SF3.
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I'm singling out SF3 specifically because it's the poster child of what CAN and WILL go wrong! Only FOUR characters came back! FOUR! Out of a roster of how many again? Is that what you consider acceptable?

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Tarkatan Trash said:
If you don't want the game to flop, you need to have at least half the roster stacked with stars. And you ignoring what happened with SF3 is exactly the problem; those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

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But one of MK's problems has been that the fighting game community as a whole saw it as a joke in it's later years, meanwhile SF3 is still regarded as one of the best fighters of all time, if not THE best SF game, the only people who don't/didn't like it are people who care more about SF2 nostalgia rather than better gameplay and don't support the genre anyway. Pumping out shitty games and maintaining a small audience isn't at reputable as making a quality product that people will recognize as such for years. Unfortunately fighting games are something of a niche genre compared to others these days, and I think the MK guys are finally realizing they need to impress the competitive scene in some way, but without totally pandering or selling out to the SF crowd, or else they'll fade away into obscurity, being "that noob game" that everybody hates because it isn't japanese. So in short, I'd much rather a new Mk that makes waves and becomes respected over another deception or armageddon which is pretty much what the nostalgic crowd wants, but ultimately amounts a mediocre game at best.
 
Yeah, because if Mortal Kombat brings new life to itself, its an automatic failure because of SF3. I'm almost convinced you're a troll, Mr. Trash.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
If you don't want the game to flop, you need to have at least half the roster stacked with stars. And you ignoring what happened with SF3 is exactly the problem; those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

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So are you telling me you wouldn't buy this game if it was filled with new characters? This game will not flop unless the fans don't support it.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
Why do you people want another SF3-type roster?

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Because I don't mind new characters. It freshens things up. When given the chance, they could be as great as the OG's. Besides, we're getting about 8 or more from the classic roster. Will it ruin the game to not have everyone from MK9?
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
Why do you people want another SF3-type roster?

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SF3 had a more innovative and creative roster than another game with the same handful of characters and move sets released over and over again, and also because that was a good game. Eating a TV dinner every night doesn't suddenly turn it into a gourmet meal just because it's familiar.
 
~ Outworld's Goddess ~ said:
So are you telling me you wouldn't buy this game if it was filled with new characters? This game will not flop unless the fans don't support it.
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I think most of the board is going to buy MKX. The game has to have a exponentially larger scope though. I'm sure the casual fans will find at least one new character that they will like, but NRS still needs the safety switch on to be proactive. An initial negative response can only have so much restitution from DLC or other bonuses.

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~ Outworld's Goddess ~ said:
So are you telling me you wouldn't buy this game if it was filled with new characters? This game will not flop unless the fans don't support it.
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MK has been around for 22 years...more than enough time for fans to decide who they pay to see. Enough of those characters need to be in one way or another, or WB risks this game being a loss.

How about some ninjas for new characters? We haven't had a completely new ninja since Tremor (Skarlet technically isn't new because she originated from a rumored glitch dating back to MKII). And back in the Arcade era, ninjas meant INSTANT star power.

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gorditakrunch said:
SF3 had a more innovative and creative roster than another game with the same handful of characters and move sets released over and over again, and also because that was a good game. Eating a TV dinner every night doesn't suddenly turn it into a gourmet meal just because it's familiar.
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SF3 is a shame because the original plan was no returning characters AT ALL! Not even Ryu and Ken were planned on returning. It took beta tester complaints to get those two in.

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Tarkatan Trash said:
I'm singling out SF3 specifically because it's the poster child of what CAN and WILL go wrong! Only FOUR characters came back! FOUR! Out of a roster of how many again? Is that what you consider acceptable?

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Dude, your points have already been disproved. We know for a fact that MKX will not drastically cast away staple characters the same way SF3 did. They are making a moderate transition to prevent this franchise from stagnating.

Also, creating brand new characters is an opportunity for developers to express their creativity and have fun while making the game. Which at the end of the day is certain to give us a good finished product. Plus, the MK universe is vast, I don't mind seeing what some of the other realms have to offer in terms of characters and fighting styles.


Tarkatan Trash said:
Why do you people want another SF3-type roster?
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lol I'm sure you are better than this.
 
Red Crow said:
Dude, your points have already been disproved. We know for a fact that MKX will not drastically cast away staple characters the same way SF3 did. They are making a moderate transition to prevent this franchise from stagnating.

Also, creating brand new characters is an opportunity for developers to express their creativity and have fun while making the game. Which at the end of the day is certain to give us a good finished product. Plus, the MK universe is vast, I don't mind seeing what some of the other realms have to offer in terms of characters and fighting styles.



lol I'm sure you are better than this.
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New characters can be given a chance, but make no mistake; they have to EARN their star power. If they pass muster with the fans, then they can come back for another 3 or 4 games. If they don't, then they go to the trash, and ONLY come back when a roster calls for all characters from a certain era (or all time for that matter).

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Red Crow said:
Dude, your points have already been disproved. We know for a fact that MKX will not drastically cast away staple characters the same way SF3 did. They are making a moderate transition to prevent this franchise from stagnating.

Also, creating brand new characters is an opportunity for developers to express their creativity and have fun while making the game. Which at the end of the day is certain to give us a good finished product. Plus, the MK universe is vast, I don't mind seeing what some of the other realms have to offer in terms of characters and fighting styles.



lol I'm sure you are better than this.
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Intuitively we can pretty much make that assumption, but until it is set in stone we can't label it as such.

I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but I think we all want to see the next chapter in the mythos. It's just a matter of what part of the risk/reward spectrum NRS wants to shoot from.

With any new character replacing an oldie, there's an inherent risk of losing a part of the fan base. I guess it depends how ambitious Boon feels.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
New characters can be given a chance, but make no mistake; they have to EARN their star power. If they pass muster with the fans, then they can come back for another 3 or 4 games. If they don't, then they go to the trash, and ONLY come back when a roster calls for all characters from a certain era (or all time for that matter).

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Well so far the new characters have been well received, particularly because of how great their character designs are. So there is no reason for concern.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
New characters can be given a chance, but make no mistake; they have to EARN their star power. If they pass muster with the fans, then they can come back for another 3 or 4 games. If they don't, then they go to the trash, and ONLY come back when a roster calls for all characters from a certain era (or all time for that matter).

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Fair enough. If new characters bomb they should be forgotten (Jarek), however if they're good what's the harm? Once again it's not like the entire MK cast will be forever gone...some will return, some won't, what's wrong with that? Any real story has casualties and changes it's cast over time, other wise it's the same thing being regurgitated which is the definition of pointless, and more importantly the definition of insanity.
 
I must admit that my very first reaction, when I saw the new characters, wasn't very nice. In fact, I started tweeting Ed asking him WTF is this supposed to mean. Partially it is his own fault, since we weren't given any background info. They just showed us the new guys and said nada in a very "Deal with it!" manner. At least that was my impression. That's what made me upset. I didn't know who these new characters are and why they're there. As new info started coming out later on, I started to have a better understanding of these new characters and the story. Things started to make sense.

Do I like the ones they've shown us so far? Not really. To me they seem like imported characters from DC - or rather... their copies. That Aztec dude even looks like a guest character from Tekken.

I don't have anything against new characters. They are welcome and in this case needed. MK really needs some new faces to stay relevant. But, their amount and their design is what I'm concerned about. Anything more than 10 is a huge risk. I don't want mediocre fighters, I want fighters that are iconic and distinguishable and don't feel rushed.

So, um... Yes, introduce new characters, but don't overdo it. 10 new ones, with 10 unique designs, 10 unique move sets and 10 unique stories... That is a lot of work. If they're aiming for more, they're nuts. Not possible unless they want the last 4 to feel rushed and dull.

And um... please... more originality and more crazy. We need crazy. D'Vorah is okay, but Bane 2.0 and Mr. Tekk-Import are a bit boring already. I'm not calling him Kotal Kahn, there is only one Kahn. As for Ms. Cassie Cop, well, I like the idea, but is that another guest character? Jill Valentine says Hi!
 
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Mr. Ice said:
Do I like the ones they've shown us so far? Not really. To me they seem like imported characters from DC - or rather... their copies. That Aztec dude even looks like a guest character from Tekken.
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To be fair, when have MK characters ever not been directly ripped from or tributes of other forms of pop culture? The answer is never. Raiden is torn directly from Big Trouble In Little China, Liu Kang was a Bruce Lee ripoff, Kano's design inspiration came directly from Terminator, and Johnny Cage was originally supposed to be Jean Claude Van Damme, literally. And it's not just MK, most fighting game characters started off as little more than generic attempts at being "cool", and who says Tekken is the only fighting franchise who can have an Aztec inspired character? That's like saying karate guys should never exist outside of Street Fighter.
 
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