How will you spend 4/20?

RyanRagnarok

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Actually, there have been studies that show weed (by volume) is more cancerous than cigarettes. The difference is people will smoke 10+ cigarettes a day by themselves (i.e. they don't share) for years on end whereas most potheads only smoke maybe 4 per day and they tend to share them (puff, puff, give).

There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer.
Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/#tobacco They cite their sources right under that fact.
The only "studies" that are done on marijuana are the ones where they lie and fake their way through it. Marijuana being illegal is a sham. Alcohol is far more dangerous, addictive, and reckless than marijuana yet it's legal. Cigarettes kill too many people to be legal. If you can find me one case where a person died because of marijuana related lung cancer, I will give you my first born child.
 

mkray41

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On 4/20 I'll be playing MK with all the windows in my house rolled up to keep the stink out lol.
 

Cyndrix

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I will be standing at my mailbox cursing myself for saving some money with the buy.com deal instead of ponying up the cash to get it at local retail on release day.

And for the record, you can never win arguments with marijuana users. They will say anything to defend the drug they love so much, I deal with these people all the time and even had one guy tell me THC has been proven to kill cancer and that marijuana smokers are more persecuted than Jews during the Holocaust. How do you even argue with that mindset? You don't. Just don't worry about it, marijuana will never be legal because alcohol probably wouldn't be legal if we knew how dangerous it would be when it was first invented, we just couldn't close Pandoras Box once it was open. So the argument that alcohol is more dangerous isn't really relevant, lots of things that are illegal are safer than things that aren't. It all just depends on the wisdom of the time when the laws were made. So it's really not worth it to argue with marijuana smokers, because they are in their own little world. All I have to say is I bet you can't find a Fortune 500 CEO who smokes weed. It's a barrier to success in life, that's the best reason not to do it yourself. Let everyone else do it because Fortune 500 CEOs need plenty of low paid employees!
 

Eks

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I won't argue that, Mr. Ragnarok, partly because that wasn't my primary point with that post, but mostly because there are bigger fish to fry. :)

And for the record, you can never win arguments with marijuana users. They will say anything to defend the drug they love so much, I deal with these people all the time and even had one guy tell me THC has been proven to kill cancer and that marijuana smokers are more persecuted than Jews during the Holocaust. How do you even argue with that mindset? You don't.

I dare you to argue with my "mindset", especially since I'm not now and never have been a pothead, but I will vehemently defend its use and would love to see it legalized. Perhaps the reason you can't win an argument with MJ proponents is because 99% of the arguments are BS? What business is it of yours if some dude wants to get high? Unless he's directly harming someone else, it's NONE of your business.

Just don't worry about it, marijuana will never be legal because alcohol probably wouldn't be legal if we knew how dangerous it would be when it was first invented, we just couldn't close Pandoras Box once it was open. So the argument that alcohol is more dangerous isn't really relevant, lots of things that are illegal are safer than things that aren't. It all just depends on the wisdom of the time when the laws were made.

Ummm... alcohol has been around for thousands of years, so how does this "it's legal because we didn't know how dangerous it was" argument fit? You do know that America is less than 300 years old and that the laws can be changed, right?

So it's really not worth it to argue with marijuana smokers, because they are in their own little world. All I have to say is I bet you can't find a Fortune 500 CEO who smokes weed. It's a barrier to success in life, that's the best reason not to do it yourself. Let everyone else do it because Fortune 500 CEOs need plenty of low paid employees!

Because everyone is striving to be a on the Fortune 500 list? Come the **** on, man. Please stick to the norm instead of extremes. Citing one weed persecution conspiracy theorist and then Fortune 500 CEOs? Are you stupid?

Again, I DARE you to argue the points I've made. :rolleyes:
 

RyanRagnarok

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I think it's funny that the people who insult marijuana users are the ones who have more to lose in the argument. It's adorable how little they believe proof. It's almost like arguing with a brick wall. We have the proof that our government won't give us. I do smoke, and yet somehow I have managed to do everything some people who don't do marijuana can't do. I have had 3 very successful jobs, and actually most CEO's use cocaine.
Really. Look it up.
Anyway, I'm out of this argument.
 

RockHardMilkGun

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I live citing sources

Oh, Shakespeare smoked weed.

Michael Phelps too.

Stephen King.

Barack Obama (used to)

oh, and Ted Turner...


As for 4/20...
I will break up all of my weed on my MK case, roll a few fat blunts, and then go through the story mode.
 

Cyndrix

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Well, Eks, as far as I can tell, you haven't made too many points aside from the fact that marijuana is only psychologically addictive. That is true, however, psychological addiction is just as powerful as physical addiction. It is simply different.

As for whose business it is, not mine. Yes, you are 100% correct. If you read my post, I'm simply explaining why marijuana will never be legal. If it were up to me, I wouldn't care. I'm not for or against marijuana legalization, it doesn't effect me, so I don't care one way or the other. I mean, I'd love to have legal marijuana taxed and have that extra money in the system, but I also know that when you make something legal it is a given that more people will do it. Believe it or not, there is a significant population that will actually not do something because it is illegal, so you can count on more users if it ever does become legal. More tax money, but I'm not so sure more pot smokers are actually good for the country. As you pointed out, though, it's really not my concern.

The reason I hate marijuana legalization advocates is because they pull ridiculous arguments out. They'll tell you about the medicinal value of marijuana, they'll show you 5,000 uses for hemp....it's all BS. I'd have a lot more respect for people if they just came out and said, "I like it, it doesn't hurt you, so why not?" That's really all the argument that is necessary.

I do know that the US is only 300 years old and that laws can be changed. They were changed. I assume you're familiar with the 18th and 21st amendments to the Constitution. They are the strongest arguments against legalization of marijuana. No matter which side of the argument you are on, the truth of the matter is nobody is 100% certain what would occur if marijuana was to be legalized. We can guess, but nobody really knows. What we do know, however, is once something is legal and people get used to having it, it is very difficult to make it illegal again. Especially with an addictive drug (yeah, yeah, it's only psychologically addictive, so let's just say we have psychological addicts if it makes you feel better) when its users will pursue illegal means to obtain it if it becomes illegal again, just like they did with alcohol. So people are afraid to try legalization because they know that if it turns out to be a very bad idea, it's very difficult to put the demons back into Pandora's box.

Fine, not everybody strives to be a Fortune 500 executive. That was merely an allegory for success. Marijuana definitely reduces ambition and the desire to work hard. It makes you lazy, we all know that. If that's what you want to do, it's find with me, I don't care. I'm just saying it's a good reason not to do it. I'm sure you can point to a million people who are successes and smoke pot, but there are 50 million more who are at home watching Two and a Half Men, eating Twinkies, and listening to Phish. Actually, I think bands like Phish and Widespread Panic are the best reasons on earth to impose the death penalty on marijuana users, but that's neither here nor there.

Interesting point that many executives use cocaine. I don't doubt you on that. The difference is, drugs like cocaine and meth actually make you go out and achieve instead of stay home and do nothing. Does that make them better drugs? Of course not, we all know they are much worse. But that's where lines can blur and it can be difficult to say something is bad and something else is not. Therefore, if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine? Why not crystal meth? At least then I'd be able to buy real Sudafed when I have a cold and not get hassled.

As a final note, I'd like to share a hidden danger of marijuana with its users. While no causal effect has been officially proven, there seems to be a strong correlation with marijuana and depression. Also, it can be a trigger for schizophrenia and other forms of generalized psychosis. If you have ever known anybody who has suffered from severe mental illness, you know that there is absolutely nothing more debilitating. Even addiction can be overcome, but the reality is that a great deal of mental illness can never be cured or even effectively treated...we don't even have names for a lot of it yet. People tend to pay great attention to their physical health but ignore mental health. If you ever lose your mental health, you will realize how important it was to have, or at least the people around you will. I recently lost a close friend to severe mental illness which was triggered by taking the pure pharmaceutical version of GHB prescribed by a competent physician to treat narcolepsy. Even under these controlled circumstances, the trigger in his brain still went off. So no matter what you do, please, please be careful with your mental health.

By the way, did you know that if you take ecstasy more than 8 times, you are pretty much 100% guaranteed to suffer a major depressive episode later in life? Be careful out there. There are tons of lies the government will tell you to keep you off drugs for sure, but there are even more lies the drug dealers will tell you for you to keep them on your payroll. Just be smart and make good decisions, you know what is right for you and what you can handle.
 

Jezusjuice

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As a casual smoker I appreciate your post, Cyndrix. As much as I love pot I'll be the first to admit it's not for everyone, I'm sure we all know someone who missed out on their diploma bc of excessive marijuana use. It's about discipline and priorities, I feel like if you have both of those in order then you should have every right to enjoy your vice wether it's alcohol or pot.
 

RyanRagnarok

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Fine, not everybody strives to be a Fortune 500 executive. That was merely an allegory for success. Marijuana definitely reduces ambition and the desire to work hard. It makes you lazy, we all know that. If that's what you want to do, it's find with me, I don't care. I'm just saying it's a good reason not to do it. I'm sure you can point to a million people who are successes and smoke pot, but there are 50 million more who are at home watching Two and a Half Men, eating Twinkies, and listening to Phish. Actually, I think bands like Phish and Widespread Panic are the best reasons on earth to impose the death penalty on marijuana users, but that's neither here nor there.

Interesting point that many executives use cocaine. I don't doubt you on that. The difference is, drugs like cocaine and meth actually make you go out and achieve instead of stay home and do nothing. Does that make them better drugs? Of course not, we all know they are much worse. But that's where lines can blur and it can be difficult to say something is bad and something else is not. Therefore, if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine? Why not crystal meth? At least then I'd be able to buy real Sudafed when I have a cold and not get hassled.

So pot makes you lazy and unsuccessful? How would you feel if I told you I smoke pot often? I'm one of the most driven people I've ever met. I've been in more bands then I can count(the only reason they ended is because we could never seem to get on good shows to get our name out). And if you listen to the band Vanna, Davey(their vocalist) smokes a LOT of marijuana and they are very very successful.
You saying that it makes you lazy is one of the many things I hate about anti-pot rhetoric. Yeah, there are some lazy idiots who smoke pot. But they were lazy BEFORE they sparked up the joint. Oh and for the "mental health" thing, I already have PTSD. And there are no legit tests to say that there is any correlation between pot and schizophrenia. Also, crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, etc are all bad drugs because you can actually OD and die on those. Pot, you simply smoke a lot and then realize "Holy shit... I'm really really really high right now" and you lay on your couch and ponder the world. (Maybe that's just the way I do it, but you know.) I write most of my lyrics when I'm blazed because I think a lot about the world and myself and really bleed out onto the paper(not literally "bleed" but pour myself out).
If you still feel the need to argue, fine. I will continue to point out the flaws in your argument. But I'm going to go ahead and say this, have you ever smoked out before? Ever at all.
Also; I just reread your post. Those "50 million people" who smoke out and are lazy are not EVERY person who smokes. Those are the "idiots" that I was talking about. The lazy potheads who don't want to do anything with themselves. My dream is to be in a full-time touring band(already got the band now I just need to get home... but that is neither here nor there), own my own clothing line, have a wife and kids, and feel accomplished. Which, if I hadn't said anything earlier, would my "dream" tell you anything about me? No. You'd still have no earthly idea that I smoke pot.

Oh yeah and RockHardMilkGun, do you hand break it? Or use a grinder? I loveee my custom grinder.
 
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Jezusjuice

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So pot makes you lazy and unsuccessful? How would you feel if I told you I smoke pot often? I'm one of the most driven people I've ever met. I've been in more bands then I can count(the only reason they ended is because we could never seem to get on good shows to get our name out). And if you listen to the band Vanna, Davey(their vocalist) smokes a LOT of marijuana and they are very very successful.
You saying that it makes you lazy is one of the many things I hate about anti-pot rhetoric. Yeah, there are some lazy idiots who smoke pot. But they were lazy BEFORE they sparked up the joint. Oh and for the "mental health" thing, I already have PTSD. And there are no legit tests to say that there is any correlation between pot and schizophrenia. Also, crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, etc are all bad drugs because you can actually OD and die on those. Pot, you simply smoke a lot and then realize "Holy shit... I'm really really really high right now" and you lay on your couch and ponder the world. (Maybe that's just the way I do it, but you know.) I write most of my lyrics when I'm blazed because I think a lot about the world and myself and really bleed out onto the paper(not literally "bleed" but pour myself out).
If you still feel the need to argue, fine. I will continue to point out the flaws in your argument. But I'm going to go ahead and say this, have you ever smoked out before? Ever at all.
Also; I just reread your post. Those "50 million people" who smoke out and are lazy are not EVERY person who smokes. Those are the "idiots" that I was talking about. The lazy potheads who don't want to do anything with themselves. My dream is to be in a full-time touring band(already got the band now I just need to get home... but that is neither here nor there), own my own clothing line, have a wife and kids, and feel accomplished. Which, if I hadn't said anything earlier, would my "dream" tell you anything about me? No. You'd still have no earthly idea that I smoke pot.

I knew plenty of people who dropped out of highschool/college as soon as they started smoking pot, they became lazy and lost ambition. I knew who they were before they started and saw the result after and my eyes were opened to how powerful our harmless mary jane can be. I'm sure you can handle your priorities and such while actively smoking (so can I and millions of other people) but don't sit there and say it doesn't negatively affect some users. Some people just have an addictive personallity and are more vulnerable to the unfortunate side of weed. Don't get me wrong I love weed, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to its dangers.
Oh and try not to sound so full of yourself in your posts.
 

RyanRagnarok

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I knew plenty of people who dropped out of highschool/college as soon as they started smoking pot, they became lazy and lost ambition. I knew who they were before they started and saw the result after and my eyes were opened to how powerful our harmless mary jane can be. I'm sure you can handle your priorities and such while actively smoking (so can I and millions of other people) but don't sit there and say it doesn't negatively affect some users. Some people just have an addictive personallity and are more vulnerable to the unfortunate side of weed. Don't get me wrong I love weed, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to its dangers.
Oh and try not to sound so full of yourself in your posts.

I said I know there are people out there who fail miserably who smoke pot. Reread the post and maybe you'll learn something.
Oh and I am full of myself.
I mean, I'm ****in awesome.
 

RyanRagnarok

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You said they were lazy before they started smoking, not that the psychological addiction to marijuana was what made them lazy.

Because that's the way it works. You know... except the psychological addiction part. People who are lazy and then smoke pot tend to just be even more lazy. People like me with a lot of drive make it somewhere.

Viking_Poodle, thanks but I've been doin that for a while haha.
I wish I had my grinder with me so I could take a picture of it for all the smokers here. I think you guys would appreciate it.
 

Eks

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Well, Eks, as far as I can tell, you haven't made too many points aside from the fact that marijuana is only psychologically addictive. That is true, however, psychological addiction is just as powerful as physical addiction. It is simply different.

People don't die because they haven't gotten enough THC or because they've gotten too much, so no it isn't "just different" or "as powerful".

As for whose business it is, not mine. Yes, you are 100% correct. If you read my post, I'm simply explaining why marijuana will never be legal. If it were up to me, I wouldn't care. I'm not for or against marijuana legalization, it doesn't effect me, so I don't care one way or the other. I mean, I'd love to have legal marijuana taxed and have that extra money in the system, but I also know that when you make something legal it is a given that more people will do it. Believe it or not, there is a significant population that will actually not do something because it is illegal, so you can count on more users if it ever does become legal. More tax money, but I'm not so sure more pot smokers are actually good for the country. As you pointed out, though, it's really not my concern.

It certainly doesn't sound like you're this apathetic, but I'm not gonna argue about that.

The reason I hate marijuana legalization advocates is because they pull ridiculous arguments out. They'll tell you about the medicinal value of marijuana, they'll show you 5,000 uses for hemp....it's all BS. I'd have a lot more respect for people if they just came out and said, "I like it, it doesn't hurt you, so why not?" That's really all the argument that is necessary.

There ARE medicinal benefits, which makes this a perfectly valid point, so why do you have a problem with them pointing it out?

I do know that the US is only 300 years old and that laws can be changed. They were changed. I assume you're familiar with the 18th and 21st amendments to the Constitution. They are the strongest arguments against legalization of marijuana. No matter which side of the argument you are on, the truth of the matter is nobody is 100% certain what would occur if marijuana was to be legalized. We can guess, but nobody really knows. What we do know, however, is once something is legal and people get used to having it, it is very difficult to make it illegal again. Especially with an addictive drug (yeah, yeah, it's only psychologically addictive, so let's just say we have psychological addicts if it makes you feel better) when its users will pursue illegal means to obtain it if it becomes illegal again, just like they did with alcohol. So people are afraid to try legalization because they know that if it turns out to be a very bad idea, it's very difficult to put the demons back into Pandora's box.

There are more than enough people who smoke marijuana to get statistical data to predict what would happen if it were legalized, and generally speaking, the risks are far less than they are for alcohol. Even you admit that it makes you not want to do much, and an idle body isn't really that dangerous, but plenty of alcoholics are belligerent *******s, so this is more reason to put it on equal terms with alcohol.

Fine, not everybody strives to be a Fortune 500 executive. That was merely an allegory for success. Marijuana definitely reduces ambition and the desire to work hard. It makes you lazy, we all know that. If that's what you want to do, it's find with me, I don't care. I'm just saying it's a good reason not to do it. I'm sure you can point to a million people who are successes and smoke pot, but there are 50 million more who are at home watching Two and a Half Men, eating Twinkies, and listening to Phish. Actually, I think bands like Phish and Widespread Panic are the best reasons on earth to impose the death penalty on marijuana users, but that's neither here nor there.

It wasn't just a simple reference; it was an extreme example.

But to argue the "laziness" point: I have an uncle who's regularly smoked (3+ times per week) for the last 30+ years, but he's managed to raise 3 stepsons and supported his wife who hasn't worked for most (if not all) of that time. He also spends a lot of time with his grandkids. He's by no means rich, but he earns about $50k a year and has worked his entire life. If you consider that lazy, I'd hate to see what you consider hard working.

Interesting point that many executives use cocaine. I don't doubt you on that. The difference is, drugs like cocaine and meth actually make you go out and achieve instead of stay home and do nothing. Does that make them better drugs? Of course not, we all know they are much worse. But that's where lines can blur and it can be difficult to say something is bad and something else is not. Therefore, if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine? Why not crystal meth? At least then I'd be able to buy real Sudafed when I have a cold and not get hassled.

LMFAO. That wasn't at all my point.

Cocaine and other amphetamines are highly addictive and generally end up consuming the person so badly that they can't function. I don't really advocate the legalization of them because their physically addictive and don't really have a reasonable benefit.

As a final note, I'd like to share a hidden danger of marijuana with its users. While no causal effect has been officially proven, there seems to be a strong correlation with marijuana and depression. Also, it can be a trigger for schizophrenia and other forms of generalized psychosis. If you have ever known anybody who has suffered from severe mental illness, you know that there is absolutely nothing more debilitating. Even addiction can be overcome, but the reality is that a great deal of mental illness can never be cured or even effectively treated...we don't even have names for a lot of it yet. People tend to pay great attention to their physical health but ignore mental health. If you ever lose your mental health, you will realize how important it was to have, or at least the people around you will. I recently lost a close friend to severe mental illness which was triggered by taking the pure pharmaceutical version of GHB prescribed by a competent physician to treat narcolepsy. Even under these controlled circumstances, the trigger in his brain still went off. So no matter what you do, please, please be careful with your mental health.

Now THIS is a strong argument. I'm not too familiar with such studies, but I'm sure it's a risk. Although I believe that most of these people are gonna go crazy with or without it. It may speed the process up, but without the predisposition, you can't really blame weed.

By the way, did you know that if you take ecstasy more than 8 times, you are pretty much 100% guaranteed to suffer a major depressive episode later in life? Be careful out there. There are tons of lies the government will tell you to keep you off drugs for sure, but there are even more lies the drug dealers will tell you for you to keep them on your payroll. Just be smart and make good decisions, you know what is right for you and what you can handle.

Don't really know enough about it, soooo.... sure. :p
 
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