How do you help those that refuse to listen.

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I need help with a very serious real world problem and I don't know how to deal with it.

This is a condensed short version of it: I have an aunt who has for as long as I can remember been self centered and for lack of a better word lazy. My grandparents have taken care of her since she was little (she was adopted after being abandoned by my granfathers son from a previous marriage to what he called a worthless B****) they made sure that her needs were met, suitably dressed, well fed, clean, and she went to school. Their efforts however have failed to install her with either guilt or remorse for her selfish actions through out her teenage years she demanded things they could not afford and lied to other about her treatment (claiming abuse and neglect) to gain attention. My grandparents are not wealth but they have worked hard all their lives and built their own home they have fostered many children (my grandmother couldn't have children of her own) as their own they always gave everything they had to care for others.

My aunt despised their strict rules and thought they were crazy about keeping their house spotless. She moved out after she graduated and lived with her 1st husband and that was when I realized she had problems in regards to keeping her house not only clean but livable. She constantly left plates and trash around where ever it was used last the trailer house they lived in actually had grass growing in one room and the bathtub literally was halfway through the floor as I was around 11 when this was happening I didn't think much about it she always had an excuse it was the plumbing or it was that the trailer was too old, maybe but when every other place she lived turned out similar the trend became apparent...

Flash forward to now she is twice divorced and has 2 kids by different men she lives in a house my grandparents own she pays no bills herself she has no job (actually she only had 1 job for maybe a year or two at a nearby hospital as a CNA) my grandmother is now a widow who still works a 40+ hour work week pays her bills for her and supplies her with a car and gas. My aunt has had CPS come called on her 3 times now and my grandparents took care of her children during those times a burden too hard to bare for my grand father god rest his soul. I tried to have an adult conversation with her about an hour ago about why her kid still has head lice and why when the dentist has called repeatedly for months she has yet to schedule a check up for her oldest daughter even though 2 of her capped teeth have lost the metal bit and she deflected and redirected the conversation avoiding responsibility.

So I ask of anyone who may have insights into this sort of situation I need a way to resolve this or at least make some head room the last 3 month have been hard on my grandmother and I don't know how to help she does everything she can to keep those kids around because she doesn't want to see them taken away by CPS and its just enabling her to keep having second chances to waste.

EDIT: I'm sure my grammar is atrocious I apologize for that I'm just too mad to care right now. I forgot to mention another big piece of the problem she also has done meth over the years and sold some of my grandparents stuff and the last run of CPS she was regularly drug tested and had to attend counsling which she has stated "didn't help" and was "stupid". She also has done meth since the last CPS case closed out back in July while my grandfather was in the hospital she claimed she couldn't handle the stress of him being in such bad shape even though it was a direct result of her doing drugs and neglecting her kids in the 1st place. Again she deflects her responsibility for her actions on someone else or and external factor instead of trying to solve her own compulsive behavior to do things she wants to regardless of the ramifications.
 
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People will learn better from experience. Let that head hit that brick wall – the objective is to get back on your feet & see the error in your ways – but I someone picks you up, what did you really learn?

“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”
 
I appreciate the sentiment but really I don't see how that helps me in solving this problem.

Unless I call CPS on her for having a out right unlivable house again (and trust me its bad) and for not taking her kids to the dentist or treating the head lice which has cost her daughter days off from school, I don't know what else to do my grandma begged me not to turn my aunt in because next time they will take the kids away for good and that I know will kill her at this point she just lost her husband and for her to loose grandchildren would break her heart. That is why my grandma supports her for the sake of the kids I admit they are good kids but they deserve better than this, it sickens me to see them in this situation and I feel powerless to help without taking drastic actions and ruining my relationship with my grandma forever even though she isn't biologically related to me (my step dad was her 1st adopted child) I deeply care for her as do so many whom she has cared for over the years. My aunt doesn't care about anyone or anything I'd love to see her loose her kids and her free ride so that she would be forced to learn what the world is like but my hands are tied.
 
If CPS is your only option and you feel like the children are in danger then yes, you are obligated to call for their safety. Trust me, she has a period to get her stuff together and if she does then they will give them back to her. It is what is best for everyone, I have been in foster care before – it’s not bad. Your aunt needs an intervention and some psychiatric help. Depression is not an easy thing to live with – you see it as lazy but to be honest most of the people who suffer from depression actually want to do things but can’t because of the fog over their heads. They have to be willing and able in order to succeed, being willing but unable to do the things you want results in an even greater slump. The fact that you are identifying these signs early; demonstrates that you care and are connected to your family; they should gather around your decision but also be a part of it. Talk to them first and then come up with a plan to getting your Aunt the help she desperately needs. Mental help is not something that people just come out and say that they need because most people cannot identify the fact that they need help until it’s too late – get her to talk to a professional so that they may provide her the tools and the life skills needed to cope with her situation.
 
The main catch with calling CPS is that they clearly stated that the case that just wrapped up in july was the last time that they would allow my grandparents to take care of the kids. They also stated that they would be removed permanently from my aunts custody (the oldest child would end up with her dad which my grandma doesn't want) the 3 year old would end up in a foster family because her father has lost custody of many of his other children. I would be all for it and so would most of the other concerned family members however like me they don't want to take such action because my grandma seriously would break down hardcore especially now that her husband has just died. Just for the record I'm not recognizing these signs early this is a problem that has been going on for over a decade she was lazy when she got married then it turned into a habit and then it probably did turn into depression but she could have all the support she could want if she asked for it. She flips out if you try to reasonably talk to her about things, no name calling or trash talk about her drug use or lack of house keeping just serious talk about how to help. Example I tried to show her some info on how to get rid of reoccurring lice one of the things it lists is to vacuum and clean upholstery and she gets pissed that I mentioned that her house being dirty is probably why the kid still has lice. I'm at my wits end here I understand that she needs help but if I turn her in to CPS and she looses the kids, then all hell breaks loose and my grandma will hate me (if she can physically survive loosing them with her bad heart) so I feel like this situation is F'ed if I do F'ed if I don't..
 
I've never known anyone personally who's been in this type of situation, but I think it's safe to assume that you could potentially be in legal hot water if CPS finds out that you know this shit is happening and do not report it, and ditto with your grandmother (in fact, in some cases failure to report can result in a fine, or even jail time). My suggestion is to save yourself from possible legal trouble and report it, and whatever you do, tell the truth, even if it means throwing people under the bus.
 
Well I guess my hope of getting advice to deal with this matter personally where too hopeful and that the only answer is to flush it all down the drain and let the chips fall where they may...
 
tell them where you stand, let them know how you'd go about making things better or changing and fixing the problem over time depending on the severity of that problem. N' if they refuse to listen to you then that's on them. You tried to help them.

I mean all you can do is try you can't force someone to listen if they don't want to.
 
As for your grandmother, you need to tell her straight up that you have tried everything and it's falling on deaf ears, and the only solution left is "tough love". If your grandmother still doesn't approve, reiterate to her that you tried everything you could, and that you are still going through with this. Your aunt has gotten away with this shit for far too long, and she's been given way too many second chances. It's high time she faces the consequences of her actions (again, something you should stress to your grandmother). And you need to talk this over with the rest of your family, as well. Knowing about something like this and not informing the proper authorities is tantamount to a cover-up.
 
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Yeah, ppl will learn their lesson the hard way if they don't listen.

Unfortunately, there are people in the world who still refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, even if they suffer the consequences. How many DUIs has Vince Neil picked up in the last 28 years again? This is the same guy who killed Nicholas "Razzle" Dingley in a DUI crash back in 1984, and despite the fact that he is well aware that he has someone's blood on his hands from driving drunk, he STILL continues to get behind the wheel drunk, even after nearly 3 decades since the tragic accident.
 
Some people just don't want to be helped.


It's hard to understand when you are not that person. Everyone knows hitting the bottle is bad, doing drugs is bad....but some people love the escape, no matter how dangerous it can be. It sucks but 'live and learn' kinda steps in and some people learn the hard way.

If someone wants help, they will listen. If they don't, all you can do is give them your opinion and let them take it from there.
 
Some people just don't want to be helped.


It's hard to understand when you are not that person. Everyone knows hitting the bottle is bad, doing drugs is bad....but some people love the escape, no matter how dangerous it can be. It sucks but 'live and learn' kinda steps in and some people learn the hard way.

If someone wants help, they will listen. If they don't, all you can do is give them your opinion and let them take it from there.

Or, you can wash your hands clean off the issue by selling them out to the proper authorities.
 
I have a sister who sound exactly like the first post.

My brother USE to be as bad in his early teens, but i think I saved him. Mainly because i guess we're both men, and I could more easily relate things to him.

AS for my sister she's nearly 2 years younger than me, And still lives with my parents. My brother makes sense the boys only 19. But my sister is taking zero steps to advancing her life outside of living with my parents.

I told my mom that she's never going to change, until some sort of realization hits her. Or like my case my guilt is extremely powerful. and can persuade me easily to do the right thing just from the sickness of guilt.

If she wants her to change she needs to take serious shock therapy action and just throw her on the street. She won't do it though, my mom loves everyone too much to handle that. She'd feel super guilty. And my sister would probably grow possibly to hate her.

All she does all day is facebook/twitter/chat with sleezeball dudes online. Goes to work, and lies about going to school so her job gives her weekends off.

She racks up 800 dollar phone bills, and my mom ends up being forced to cover it.


this situation hasn't reached your stage yet, thank god she doesn't have kids yet.


But sorry, the only real answer I can find for this kind of person is life style shock therapy.
 
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