Fix Nightwolf's shoulder charge! It's ridiculous...

[Thirteenthorder]

Dude, it's all about matchups. Will my Smoke win against a Nightwolf spamming Shoulder! Probably not. However, if we rematch, my Liu Kang will. Why? Because on block, Liu's combo starters have frame advantage over another Shoulder.

You just gotta read your opponent like a book man. It becomes so much easier.

 

[yautjared]

I think the fault falls in the lag level ..... with lag, players tend to use the attacks that , seems to be less affected by lag effects, while, in the defense field, you have harder tough time, having to "guess" and foresee when a next spam move is coming .....

You can ask someone offline to pick Nightwolf and so, you ask for him to do only shoulder charge on you, next, you pick your favorite character, and try to block, or to counter-attack with a move you know can dispute with SC and hit first. This way , you can comprove if is lag's fault, or, you are doing the defense wrong, and missing the correctly "timing" .....

 

[Jezusjuice]

My Friend mains Nightwolf, so I've played against Nightwolf alot.
It's all about ducking it and then punishing, you can't block and punish bc when he hits your block it puts you in block stun and nightwolf bounces back out of combo range. You have to get into a habbit of naked crouching (not crouch blocking) against him. You can seriously destroy any charge spammer if you just duck it.
I'm no pro at this game by any means but trust me on this, I've played against Nightwolf more than the average MK player and I know alot about how to beat him. If you're constantly blocking that charge, you're playing him wrong.

Oh and Nightwolf's charge is no where near Kano's upball.

 

[NothingRhymesWithCircus]

If you duck without blocking low the shoulder charge whiffs completely and you could punish it hard with an uppercut or fast special. While you're ducked like this you could also avoid arrows. So basically from mid distance his only option will be to lightning you which if you play aggressively and have some reactions will be no problem.

When NW is waking up if you duck at mid'ish distance without blocking you f**k Nightwolf over pretty hard. Like this you could midgame him into getting a free jump in while he's waking up.

And dude, I'm sorry if this comes off the wrong way, but this IS a complaining thread. You might argue that it's not, but it pretty much is. You could of asked people's suggestions on how to beat it or started a thread to find out ways to counter Nightwolf, but you made the "nerf please" topic and it's pretty much no different from the "nerf Liu Kang" topic that's near the top of the list right now too. In your posts you've gone through all the motions that are common: you mentioned lag, you said the word spamming, and you asked for a "fix". It's complaining and digging for excuses instead of really trying to search for that solution. You beat other "spammers" in slight lag, why is this one any different?
We're all guilty of it sometimes, its okay.

The shoulder charge is far from needing to get fixed. Honestly now.
From what you're saying I don't doubt your a good player but just because you lost to someone that abused you because he realized you dealt badly with his tackle doesn't make the shoulder charge any greater of a move. Like other things on other characters, you just have to constantly be trying to bait it out of him. The player you fought had the win/loss ratio he has because he knows people don't commonly know how to deal with the shoulder charge and he abuses it wisely.

 

[smaddy]

If you duck without blocking low the shoulder charge whiffs completely and you could punish it hard with an uppercut or fast special. While you're ducked like this you could also avoid arrows. So basically from mid distance his only option will be to lightning you which if you play aggressively and have some reactions will be no problem.

When NW is waking up if you duck at mid'ish distance without blocking you f**k Nightwolf over pretty hard. Like this you could midgame him into getting a free jump in while he's waking up.

And dude, I'm sorry if this comes off the wrong way, but this IS a complaining thread. You might argue that it's not, but it pretty much is. You could of asked people's suggestions on how to beat it or started a thread to find out ways to counter Nightwolf, but you made the "nerf please" topic and it's pretty much no different from the "nerf Liu Kang" topic that's near the top of the list right now too. In your posts you've gone through all the motions that are common: you mentioned lag, you said the word spamming, and you asked for a "fix". It's complaining and digging for excuses instead of really trying to search for that solution. You beat other "spammers" in slight lag, why is this one any different.
We're all guilty of it sometimes its okay.

The shoulder charge is far from needing to get fixed. Honestly now.
From what you're saying I don't doubt your a good player but just because you lost to someone that abused you because he realized you dealt badly with his tackle doesn't make the shoulder charge any greater of a move. Like other things on other characters you just have to constantly be trying to bait it out of him. The player you fought had the win/loss ratio he has because he knows people don't commonly know how to deal with the shoulder charge and he abuses it wisely.

this entire reply is full of win.

 

[MKShao_Kahn]

Ok to close this thing, I've read all the comments and the truth is I did not know that you can duck under it...That's like the only thing I haven't tried...of course I would have won if I had known...I see now, it has the same properties as Jade's nitro kick. But without ducking underneath, there was NO chance of winning. It would always stun me and therefore he would always be faster then me.

My apologies, now there's no question whether it should be fixed or not lol..
Although I find it funny that not many people were aware of the ducking under it, hence his stats...

 

[Eks]

Ok to close this thing, I've read all the comments and the truth is I did not know that you can duck under it...That's like the only thing I haven't tried...of course I would have won if I had known...I see now, it has the same properties as Jade's nitro kick. But without ducking underneath, there was NO chance of winning. It would always stun me and therefore he would always be faster then me.

My apologies, now there's no question whether it should be fixed or not lol..
Although I find it funny that not many people were aware of the ducking under it, hence his stats...

He probably only has that win record because he disconnects when he's about to lose, but yeah, next time you're having a problem like this, just ask how to deal with it instead of assuming it's an unbalanced move. If you ask and it is unbalanced, people will tell you, so you don't sound silly for complaining about something simply because you didn't know how to counter it.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

Online lag is the real problem. Not Nightwolf's special move.

You can EASILY duck/duck block shoulder offline. Online lag + transition frames makes it harder for sure, but then again NRS shouldn't "fix/nerf" characters when the real problem is netcode and lack of players knowledge/skill.