Define - "Spam"

some characters are designed to spam, so i see nothing wrong with it.
if i'm facing a johnny cage or a similar rush down character, i'm filling the screen with ground and up skulls till the game LAGS.
 
a newb that chooses noob, kano, sindel or raiden r tru definitions of spam.
a new who chooses liu kang and spam the 3 hit combos are tru definitions of spam.
a skilled player that uses any of the above characters r tru definitions of zoning/rushdown.
 
The term spam is for children who don't know how to defend against it. Pros find a way around the same moves over and over. I never have a problem with spam players, eventually you will adapt to there repetitive tactics.
 
spam = the genocide of fighting games. it is ever present in every single god damn one of em.

the cure = fighting with a group of friends who all play fighting games. well since i dont live in japan or china, that aint gonna happen.

i gave this game a chance just based on the fact that it was supposed to be the return of mk. in a way it was, but it was also the 1000th return of brain dead moron spammers that suck the life out of the game.

there have been alot of great games that have been ruined by todays society. todays society is lazy, cheap, non-intelligent and actually prefers the easy way out over things like "earning" or "complex" or anything besides "D,B, LK" repeatedly, because lets face it, we all paid 60 bones to throw down one move over and over again. if i actually was one of these people, i would blow my brains out in anticipation of no future whatsoever.

i udnerstand some of you dont apply, but ill go ahead and throw it out there just to make sure i got the one.
 
in my opinion

"Spam" - "Spam or spamming is a tactic that scrubs often use in fighting games when they have no idea how to play. This often results in the opponent (or player) continuously using the same move or combo over and over and over just because without thinking or without strategy thinking it will get him or her the win. Spamming is often thwarted by an experienced players who dodge and punish the offender often causing the offender to rage quit or disconnect. Spamming is often confused with zoning"

"zoning" - "Zoning is a strategic tactic used in fighting games by skilled players to put pressure on an opponent or to play keep away. If a player notices his or her opponent is rushing they may start to continuously use a move over and over again to punish a rushing opponent and set up attack of their own"
 
Spam = doing the same move over and over. I think everyone can agree with that. Though what people don't agree on is whether or not spamming is a a scrub tactic and the fact of the matter is, no it isn't nooby to spam. If your opponent keeps letting themselves open to the same attack why would you not do the attack just because they want to see something different? That is stupid, if you can win by doing the same thing over and over again that is the other person's mistake not yours.

The problem is that some characters don't have the strongest rush down and scrubs all think that is the only way everyone should play. Take Noob for example. Now you can rush down with noob and win just fine but there are obviously other characters that are better than him at the rush game, but his biggest strength is his quick projectiles that have nice hitboxes and low recovery so he is one of the best zoners in the game. If you play Noob you are most likely going to do best by zoning in many match-ups, though obviously some characters are so anti-zone you can't (Smoke for example). Kids just need to realize there are play styles other than just rush down.
 
easiest way to see it defined: just play shao kahn on the ladder. arrow, arrow, arrow, hammer, hammer, arrow. it would annoy me but i would laugh so hard if the enhanced version is he throws both LOL

its using the same move over and over again, whenever i see someone doing it, i wish there was a way to turn off special moves lol. they would just stand there and do nothing
 
There is a great difference between spam and zoning, but most people do not know the difference. Cast a heap of range attacks dose not mean you are instantly spamming. The thing is that zoning is a legit tactic and also a very powerful one, I think many of the people that complain about spamming are in fact just zoning and looking for something to blame.

What makes zoning so scary in MK9 is that the chip dmg in this game is crazy high. So once you are behind it is hard to come back, meaning that some good zoning can leave u in such a deficit, even if you block successfully. I think this more than anything is what makes people cry spamming, as zoning is so powerful in this game, many players are simply not good enough to be able to recover from it.

For example.... if you are facing Jonny Cage and you are playing Noob... Is casting a heap of ranged attacks to keep Jonny away form you spammign or a legic tactic... it is of course a legit tactic... but people call it spamign as they do not really know what they are talkign about and are looking for a way to belittle the person that just beat then as a way to make themseves feel better.

Here is a good example of zoning.. but most people online would call this spamming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E09bCBddubo&feature=player_embedded#t=141s
http://youtu.be/5AuL5T2nMYo

Nyght87 said:
Kids just need to realize there are play styles other than just rush down.
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exactly.
 
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Jynks said:
There is a great difference between spam and zoning, but most people do not know the difference. Cast a heap of range attacks dose not mean you are instantly spamming. The thing is that zoning is a legit tactic and also a very powerful one, I think many of the people that complain about spamming are in fact just zoning and looking for something to blame.

What makes zoning so scary in MK9 is that the chip dmg in this game is crazy high. So once you are behind it is hard to come back, meaning that some good zoning can leave u in such a deficit, even if you block successfully. I think this more than anything is what makes people cry spamming, as zoning is so powerful in this game, many players are simply not good enough to be able to recover from it.

For example.... if you are facing Jonny Cage and you are playing Noob... Is casting a heap of ranged attacks to keep Jonny away form you spammign or a legic tactic... it is of course a legit tactic... but people call it spamign as they do not really know what they are talkign about and are looking for a way to belittle the person that just beat then as a way to make themseves feel better.

Here is a good example of zoning.. but most people online would call this spamming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E09bCBddubo&feature=player_embedded#t=141s
http://youtu.be/5AuL5T2nMYo


exactly.
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But there is also other ways to play than the excuse called "zoning". Most only call spamming zoning so they can get away with spamming projectiles at a character they know can't teleport to dodge it. *cough* Kitana *cough*
 
Omg some of you are unreal! Spam to some of you is using specials and combos over and over and even rushing down?! How the eff should the game be played!? If you took all that away you would have MK2 without specials, you know how boring that is? I use Sindel as a character, she has 3 fireballs, but heaven forbid I use any of them. If I'm playing a good JC or LK, Sindel won't stand a chance up close so you tell me what she should do. Noob is quite literally, the anti sheeva character..he can counter anything she does.. But that's the nature of Noob Saibot!

God this game has some whiners.
 
Sorry, the Nightwolf example is not more of a misleading spammer example than the constant use of Reptile's acid balls. As a Nightwolf player, I usually end my combo strings with shoulder and I usually do a safe unblockable lightning to rush my opponent's recovery - this is actually quite useful for delayed wake-ups. That is not spamming at all, it's actually pretty tactical and a fantastic tool Nightwolf has - why not use it? I do however change my strategy once in a while: I do shoulder and I rush a specific character with immediate lows and overheads, but I still find lightning to be a damn effective strategy against characters with deadly wake-ups. I am not dumb enough to rush characters like Ermac, Sindel or Smoke who have deadly wake-ups if I rush them. Just saying.
 
When sombody does the same thing over and over again.

It takes no skill and any player can do it. It ruins the enjoyment of the game. People who spam or play just for a meaninless record are beyond pathetic.
 
Aeris-Logan said:
This isnt much different to me. Anything that keeps you from fighting fist to fist to me is spamming. I use projectiles to hit someone when they stand up after a combo then I go back for more combos.
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this is an example of the avg player's response to zoning. they have ther eown code of ethics that prevents them from actually playing some of there chars as well as thyey are supposed to.
 
aedanwolfe said:
this is an example of the avg player's response to zoning. they have thier own code of ethics that prevents them from actually playing some of there chars as well as thyey are supposed to.
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Wtf is that supposed to mean? So according to the post I was responding to, 1 projectile over and over is spamming but 2 alternated over and over is zoning and that takes skill?
 
IamSherbz said:
But there is also other ways to play than the excuse called "zoning". Most only call spamming zoning so they can get away with spamming projectiles at a character they know can't teleport to dodge it. *cough* Kitana *cough*
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Kitana has a Godly juggle that does massive damage once you're in the air.

This game isn't a free pass. Not everyone has a teleport, but they have tons of other tools. Cage and Kang are absolutely beastly once they close the gap. Noob Saibot has no real choice but to keep them away, he stands no chance up close.

The way you people are talking, you would want the game to be so that everyone had exactly the same normals and specials.

P.S. you do realise Kitana has moves like her air punch to get around zoners?
 
Playing online, I've learned that EVERYTHING is appearantly spamming. Using specials=spam. Blocking "too much"=spam. Uppercuts=spam. Same 2 or 3 combos=spam. Gimme a break, you whiny hoes...I should be able to play any way I want...screaming "SPAM" is just a way for losers to rationalize defeat. I don't even use the typical "spammy" characters, and appearantly I spam. I spam with Jax and Mileena? Really?...then defend it, you scrub...I'm not going to roll over for you so that I can "play the right way", whatever that's supposed to mean.

Combos vs. Combos is not the only way to "play the game the right way". That's beyond stupid...why even have specials in the game? By the way, I'll never call anyone a spammer...If Kabal wants to ground saw/fireblast me all day, and he's kicking my ass, why should he stop? He's not brain-dead...he's effective with the character. And if Noob's shadowing me to death, but it's not effective, then I win. Why hate on someone who's ass I'm already kicking?

Also, the whole "zoning vs. spam" argument is retarded. It's the same thing...but if someone you respect tosses fans with Kitana, then it's zoning. If some kid that you hate does it, then he's a spammer. Again, gimme a break, you whiny hoes. If the spamming is as simplistic as you all make it sound, then it should be an easy win. And if the zoning is so effective, then it's because that person is flooding you with projectiles and such. Spam, zoning, all the same, and completely fine.
 
Aeris-Logan said:
Wtf is that supposed to mean? So according to the post I was responding to, 1 projectile over and over is spamming but 2 alternated over and over is zoning and that takes skill?
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No, that's still spamming.

Alternating two projectiles in various rythms and patterns, THAT'S Zoning and takes skill.
 
Using the same move over and over non-stop. A few examples I've came across is one of Liu Kang's combos, Raiden's torpedo and one of his combos, Kano's knife throw and upwards cannonball and the low kick.
 
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