xTHUGx
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Thats really easy to do. Are you missing the uppercut before B+2? or does it do 57% without uppercut? Well anyways I'm not near my console at this moment or else I'd of tried out the combo and seen it for myself.
Cyrax Thread - "Safeties Disabled; Combat Mode Engaged!"
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Thats really easy to do. Are you missing the uppercut before B+2? or does it do 57% without uppercut? Well anyways I'm not near my console at this moment or else I'd of tried out the combo and seen it for myself.
Immortal Reaver
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Forgot to add in the uppercut, sorry. But I put a little tip to use that I learned from Tony. If you do the B+2 earlier than normal and only have the blast hit them, it does 1% more damage making it 58%.
It seems that way, but there are Cyrax players on both consoles.
aedanwolfe
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holy crap 70% combos? how is that alright. i hate being a naysayer but i wouldnt expect that to stay the way it is. is this stuff all from the bomb trap thing?
Immortal Reaver
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It's hard to get over 60%.
aedanwolfe
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its hard to do a lot of things, the question is whether it SHOULD get that high..ever.
even if it can never be accomplished in a tourney setting outside of luck...yikes.
im not gonna try and give arbitrary numbers based on the things ive seen, as they mean nothing coming from me.
i dont want the bombtrap removed, but it needs more sensical damage scaling imo
edit: keep in mind i dont want the damage scaling to make more bnb style bombtraps to become too weak either, 30-45% is perfectly reasonable.
aedanwolfe
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lol, i dont think they will. they very well might have overdone the nerf (or in fashion of most developers, nerfed the wrong aspect).
if anything the damage resets were more of a problem then the bombtrap itself. and they were true bugs.
cyrax will still be a beast after though, i strongly believe that.
Sektorpionax-Zero
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Reptiles combos pre-patch could get up to 50% and above and those were way harder. yet his damage scaling was nerfed extremely. so they do about 35-40% now. Cyrax needs a damage scaling fix, there should be no one getting combos above 50% no matter the difficulty.
Immortal Reaver
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Well Tony if you decide not to release it at least send it to me privately. 
TONY-T
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I can see where your coming from and it makes sense. However if someone could get one of these harder more damaging combos against me online, id actually congradulate him. In my opinion he deserves it and the reason being is that it takes mad skill to pull these off. If a man is doing combos like that online, then he has real skill. I dont think skill should be punished.
Asodimazze
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Obviously it takes skill to perform one of those big combos, but don't you think that 69% out of bomb trap using no meter is too much?
1 Bomb trap when the opponent has no breaker and he lose.
If he has the breaker you can use EX net and he doesn't have it anymore...then bomb trap and he lose again.
Not to mention that Cyrax can do incredibly damaging combos even without the bomb trap and without any particular difficulty.
I'm sure you already watched this video, 7:28 to 7:51 proves that Cyrax is pretty broken imho :
TONY-T
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Yes 69% doesnt sound fair, but in its defence there are 2 times in the combo where they can escape using no meter, 1 of them is the command throw itself wich i know is currently hard to do but its getting patched to make it easier. The other escape im keeping secret for now
So in a way, its not as unfair as it might appear. Infact id say its pretty balanced. If they could not escape unless they had meter then id agree and definetly say it was unfair, but thats not the case..
Yes cyrax has some very good damaging combos, i know all to well
Yes ive seen xianior vid, he has a great cyrax! I use very similar setups! but the setup you were reffering too isnt broken, his opponent could have ducked upon landing from the exnet and avoided getting grabbed by the bomb trap again, in wich case he could have punished xianior. Its basically a mixup.
aedanwolfe
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i agree hed be very skilled, but when skill gets in the way of the competitive nature of the game where one screwup and only one...could mean you lose.
it just cant be balanced unless you trippled peoples hp or 1/3 cyrax damage, which isnt fair because as you say those combos are helluva hard to pull off. this is why i believe some balancing on cyrax damage is needed. we will see where he is though after patch with the added frames on his bombtrap and the removal of his damage resets. no reason to take a shotgun where a scalpel may be needed.
edit: also the talk of its balanced because you can do x before it happens seems a little absurd to me, what your saying to defeat cyrax just...dont get in a combo...ever. combo strings are not meant to be broken out of unless the player whiffs during his string unintentionally or you breaker. ive never heard of a combo until now in this game that can be broken out of any other means and i wonder how/why that happens, and if its intended. the only part of that that would make sense to me is the command throw, just because its a throw which behave differently. just thinking out loud here.
TONY-T
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Yea i think you'll find once the bomb trap gets nerfed people wont be complaining as much. From what ive seen , most cyrax players use that the most to get there damage, its a little cheap and people know it. His regular combos for most part can be broken much easier, so long as your opponent doesnt waste his meter.. Anyway, im not to worried if he does get a damage nerf, im confident i can still get good damage.
About the second break on the 69% bomb trap combo, like i said i wish to keep it a secret for now. But yes, it can be broken without meter even though cyrax is in the middle of the combo and its easy. Anyway, all will be revealed once i release the vid
TONY-T
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About the second break on the 69% bomb trap combo, like i said i wish to keep it a secret for now. But yes, it can be broken without meter even though cyrax is in the middle of the combo and its easy. Anyway, all will be revealed once i release the vid
Sorry guys I just did some testing and i have to take this above statement back. For the most part all my testing has been done online and unfortunately there is always a very small bit of lag even on the best of days..
I just had my brother help me test the 2nd escape on the 69% bomb trap combo and as it turns out, it can only be broken with an EXmove or an Xray! The timing on the EXmove is ridiculous though, its much easier to do the xray, but even then its tricky.
But before i say its broken i think its fair to point out that 22% of the damage comes from a short combo followed by the command throw, then the damage resets. also there is another 7% that can be taken off on the other half of the combo depending on how well you do the bomb trap. So after the damage reset, its either 40% or 47%.
Now id like to also point out that these escapes may indeed change again as my brother does not play this game and has no skill what so ever, but unfortunately i dont have anyone else to test with. Though from what i asked him to do and from what i saw, id say its close to accurate, but maybe once some skilled players get a chance to test it, we may find other escapes..
aedanwolfe
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I'm not too worried about damage reset combos as they are attempting to remove them from all players. Id say if cyrax can do some not too dauntingly difficult 35-45% no meter combos he will remain strong. That seems to be the general ramge of the more offensive chars.
TONY-T
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It would be interesting to see how they would remove the bomb trap reset. They would have to make the whole bomb trap a combo, even after the command throw.
Immortal Reaver
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I was just using Cyrax and WRECKED this Scorpion player, and he messaged me saying that I only won because Cyrax is easy to use and that he almost won. He didn't even win one round, and the 2nd round I only lost maybe 15% health. lawl
