Buffs you'd like to see in the new patch..

NightWolf is a sleeping God in this game.

I'm very surprised he isn't picked up more because, in my opinion, he has at minimum a 5/5 with everyone (yes including Raiden, Cyrax and Kung Lao).

If im facing those characters and it's too much for my other mains, NW is the guy I go to, to take care of business.

I really hope he isn't tampered with, as I think he is a perfect example of a balanced character. Buff him and he WILL BE OP, nerf him and I think it just kills an already balanced character that doesn't have anything that can be regarded as OP.
 
Baraka has more overheads then I thought.

F2, U4 and some of his combos. Infact U4 is ridiculously good, his ex blade charge doesnt need to be overhead. It does need to go full screen in my opinion, and THEN he will be okay. I honestly think that's all he needs.

His D,F 1 special is...well im not sure what it's there for beyond adding to a combo. It's very slow and easily punishable if you just spam it.

EDIT: Sorry for double post, my NW one didn't appear for some reason and now it has??
 
NightWolf is a sleeping God in this game.

I'm very surprised he isn't picked up more because, in my opinion, he has at minimum a 5/5 with everyone (yes including Raiden, Cyrax and Kung Lao).

If im facing those characters and it's too much for my other mains, NW is the guy I go to, to take care of business.

I really hope he isn't tampered with, as I think he is a perfect example of a balanced character. Buff him and he WILL BE OP, nerf him and I think it just kills an already balanced character that doesn't have anything that can be regarded as OP.

Yeah Nightwolf is a great character I think the only bad matchup he has is probably Mileena. Characters that don't need to be touched with either buffs or nerfs are: Sektor, Nightwolf, Sonya, Mileena, Cage, Scorpion, Ermac, Kano, Shang, Liu Kang, Rain, and Kenshi
 
Yeah Nightwolf is a great character I think the only bad matchup he has is probably Mileena. Characters that don't need to be touched with either buffs or nerfs are: Sektor, Nightwolf, Sonya, Mileena, Cage, Scorpion, Ermac, Kano, Shang, Liu Kang, Rain, and Kenshi

Damn, forgot about her and I mentioned awhile back that she is probably his hardest match up.

Yeah I agree with most of that list as well. I would say most characters are fine, with the exception of a couple. I think Baraka and Sheeva could do with minor buffs, and Raiden, KL and Cyrax could probably benefit with minor nerfs. I used to think Sindel needed a slight buff, and all I would say is, make her Ex hair grab do more damage. Right now it does 1% more than her normal hairgrab, and im sure that was not meant to be intentional.
 
Baraka has more overheads then I thought.

F2, U4 and some of his combos. Infact U4 is ridiculously good, his ex blade charge doesnt need to be overhead. It does need to go full screen in my opinion, and THEN he will be okay. I honestly think that's all he needs.

His D,F 1 special is...well im not sure what it's there for beyond adding to a combo. It's very slow and easily punishable if you just spam it.

EX Slices actually has armor. Which doesn't really make much sense to me. In my opinion, I'd trade the armor from EX Slices into EX Charge (D,F 2). Plus the long range gap close-in. I can actually do without an overhead EX Charge now that you mention his other overheads. U4 especially could use a buff of speed. That would be sick.

Like I said, EX Spin should also include armor. :)

EX Chop Chop (B,B 1) would be awesome if it included armor from physical damage only. Making projectiles the only way to interrupt. Maybe make it unblockable too? lol Wishful thinking, as that may be too much of a buff.

If I had it my way, I'd include ^all of this^. :_evil:
 
I can't deny that perhaps Nightwolf has increased your success only you know that. But to say he doesn't have good air combat?

-Anti air Shadow up knee
-Anti air teleport

Teleport:
-Can combo off his jump punch(When both people collide in mid air at the same time)
-Can combo off of jump kick(Same as punch)

Univerals:
Nuetral jump punch
Nuetral Jump kick
Forward/Back kick/punch

Uppercut(upnkee is better, but uppercut is still an option)

Even his SHADOW CHARGE can anti air. you just have to not be predictable. It can't hit them at full peak. but it can hit them on rise/fall. Can't tell you how many times I can catch people's feet with the shadow's head, and knocked them out of the sky.

He may not have a jumping Projectile like kitana/sindel. But his clone has such a huge hitbox.... If he had a tool similar to kitana's fans.... well My good sir Noob would be OP.
His up-knee shadow has close range only and leaves Noob Saibot vulnerable to be punished. It's not a great anti-air combat tool if you ask me although he gets his job done, but you of course disagree. His teleport is easily punishable if blocked and I multiple times avoided it by just jumping away. His shadow charge IS NOT a good anti-air in my opinion, but may work as such. I actually find Cyrax's net to have a better anti-air annoyance. So, I don't think Noob Saibot has that much of a good anti-air fight as you may want it to seem. I didn't say it was non-existent in him though.

It does matter... you said enhanced... you won't have enhanced every second of the game if you are burning them for EVERY single shadow. Infact most people have a ENHANCED move that gets them through noob's zoning. It's your get out of zone free card that you get a few times a match. But Noob saibot can call you out on this and make you waste meter. What if I threw a clone. You blocked... decided i'll now enhanced shoulder charge his next shadow... but come to find out I uppercut you out of it. And don't say you can't. Because I uppercut nightwolfs out of their enhanced shoulder charge all the time.
I almost only use meter bars for enhanced shoulder against Noob Saibot. It deals 16% each. About 3 times to use in a fight - 48% more or less, and enhanced shoulder allows me to rush Noob Saibot and gets close to him. If I block a wake-up special, even better. Btw, enhanced shoulder is very, very, very, VERY hard to punish by an uppercut because it hits you overhead once gets close to you and it's so damn fast. Are you sure you're familiar with Nightwolf? You apparently forgot that I can do enhanced shoulder when you're throwing a clone and I still get you because I have hyper armor. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to even consider uppercut me when you're still in recovery animation after throwing a shadow clone.

I know I said noob's EX charge can beat nightwolf's reflect(Which does work.. it just doesn't send it back at noob. the shadow runs into the background) So you might say... well you can only do that a few times too.
As I said, it's POINTLESS to do reflect against Noob Saibot. I never use reflect in any of my Noob Saibot's fight. Blocking clone and enhanced clones are more that enough.

Everyone destroys Noob in close combat.
Exactly Sindel has a decent upclose game, which is why Noob is the better Zoner if he's having somewhat equal success if not better than sindel is. Using a specific character is unfair anyways to show "Who's the best zoner"
I actually said that Noob Saibot has a much more zoner gameplay in this game, but Sindel can be more of a pain in the ass. On PS3 I can assure you can find at least 3 huge win ratios by people who just use Sindel.

As I said. I play Jade. I can walk through all of sindels projectiles Enhanced or not. I cannot walk through all of noobs when he has EX available. Because of this Noob can Zone me STILL to some degree. Sindel might as well brush up on her up close game while fighting my jade.
Jade is a different matter. Jade's ability to be invisible to projectiles is different from Nightwolf's reflector. While Jade's special works on normal shadows, Nightwolf's doesn't, so as Nightwolf I'd never care using them in a whole match, he'd never catch me with an enhanced shadow by surprise, because I never use that special.

See how I used 1 character to prove you wrong? you have to discuss the entire cast if you want to do this.
I don't see exactly where you proved me wrong...
 
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EDIT: I apologize Vocroy I woulda done multiquotes but it's time for bed.


Yes... his teleport is easily punished when blocked....

Then that's why you only do it... when they are in the air >.> (I really hope you weren't talking about someone who RANDOMLY using teleport)

it's called a mix up man.. there isn't THAT much delay on his upknee >.> If you can throw out like 10 of them in a row in a corner w/o using EX... i'd like to think it comes out and pretty fast and the recovery frames are quick as well. Sindel is vulnerable in her anti air attacks as well. Everyone has some degree of weakness. But I'm just listing that noob has quite a number of anti air tools.

Nightwolf shoulder charge:
it's not that fast lol. I have yet to be hit by it because I always time my uppercut at the same time regardless of whether it's EX or not. And the same timing works for both. When I'm crouching... and you choose EX shoulder charge. you're eating a uppercut man I promise. your armor dissappears the second the first hit whiffs.

so you would just always eat his shadow with a block? give hiim meter/chip damage? your reflect move will give you meter and you avoid chip. I'd have to say it may not be all that useful. But it's sure as hell not 100% useless. Atleast as a wake up when you are far away from noob.

For instance... man... noob's portal trap. he puts a portal behind you after his B1214. Then his shadow is suppose to push you into it via hit, or you block it and fall into the portal from the push back. The only way for NORMAL people to get out is to roll away. But if noob calls that he can back dash and trap you. (thank you aedan). But nightwolf... can just wake up with his reflect and that WHOLE loop noob has is void because of that move. I'd say it's far from useless.

I proved you wrong because you solely used nightwolf as an example that sindel is harder than noob saibot.

So I used Jade as an example that shows noob saibot is harder than sindel.

You can't use 1 character as your basis for evidence, because the entire cast matters.

I wasn't connecting Jade to nightwolf in anyway.
 
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man.. upknee is one of the GREATEST anti air's in the game, not to mention safe, and spammable.

and this coming from a person who RARELY uses noobnoob
 
Personally I Have Zero Chances Win With Sonya Against Good Noob Shadow Spammers !!! Shadows Are Extra Fast & Hard to Jump Over ... And Even If I Jump Over Shadow That Up Shadow Stops 100% Every Hit !!! Even Low Sweep !!! Sonya Laser Is Useless Because Not Knock Down Just Hit But Noob Shadows Knock Down !!! Arc Kick Sometimes Can Jump Over Running Shadow But Arc Kick Is To Slow & 90% Shadow Hit Me If I Try Arc Kick .So No Chance Get Closer To Him Enough To Do Combos ... It Is Extra Stupid !!!
I Think Shadows Must Be Like Cyrax Web With Time So That Way Cant Overspam Them =)
 
Personally I Have Zero Chances Win With Sonya Against Good Noob Shadow Spammers !!! Shadows Are Extra Fast & Hard to Jump Over ... And Even If I Jump Over Shadow That Up Shadow Stops 100% Every Hit !!! Even Low Sweep !!! Sonya Laser Is Useless Because Not Knock Down Just Hit But Noob Shadows Knock Down !!! Arc Kick Sometimes Can Jump Over Running Shadow But Arc Kick Is To Slow & 90% Shadow Hit Me If I Try Arc Kick .So No Chance Get Closer To Him Enough To Do Combos ... It Is Extra Stupid !!!
I Think Shadows Must Be Like Cyrax Web With Time So That Way Cant Overspam Them =)

Yeah I get you. Sometimes I can get annoyed by them when I use Stryker because I need to find out how often they throw them so I can jump over them.
 
Personally I Have Zero Chances Win With Sonya Against Good Noob Shadow Spammers !!! Shadows Are Extra Fast & Hard to Jump Over ... And Even If I Jump Over Shadow That Up Shadow Stops 100% Every Hit !!! Even Low Sweep !!! Sonya Laser Is Useless Because Not Knock Down Just Hit But Noob Shadows Knock Down !!! Arc Kick Sometimes Can Jump Over Running Shadow But Arc Kick Is To Slow & 90% Shadow Hit Me If I Try Arc Kick .So No Chance Get Closer To Him Enough To Do Combos ... It Is Extra Stupid !!!
I Think Shadows Must Be Like Cyrax Web With Time So That Way Cant Overspam Them =)

It's also the other way around that if you get in on him, he has absolutely nothing to stop a good pressure character from wiping his butt all across the stage except for maybe wakeup up shadow
 
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